Army ROTC or Air Force ROTC

[RakuraiTenjin]

I've got a choice to make before the end of my Junior year. At that point I'll need to submit my scholarship applications to the military info to make all the rounds, and if given one, after college I'll be commissioned Second Lieutenant (not sure for army) for X number of years stated in contract.

I have a strong family history in all branches- Air Force Army and Marines, but Air Force is most prominent. I've got a love for military flight, too.

I'm debating with myself whether to go Army ROTC or Air Force ROTC. The Army is lacking in Warrant Officers right now and that fits my love, but I've also got a strong inkling towards the Air Force.

Right now I'm tilted a lot more towards the AF, but I could be swayed to go Army ROTC if there's a strong enough case and there comes up something that is just right.

Deployment is not an issue for me in this.

Any suggestions? I'd appreciate any forum veterans who can chime in and offer advice, too.

edit: No, not expecting to pilot or anything either ;p. I can't anyway, barred from it, vision too bad.

 

[Pesmerga]

Airforce! I strongly suggest you join Airforce instead of Army. Army is the ground bottom of the military, and Airforce is a definite improvement, and about on the same level of Navy. The physical requirements are a bit more, but nothing you can't do. The benefits of Airforce over Army are overwhelming, and being in the army doesn't really prove you can do much more than pass Highschool.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Airforce! I strongly suggest you join Airforce instead of Army. Army is the ground bottom of the military, and Airforce is a definite improvement, and about on the same level of Navy. The physical requirements are a bit more, but nothing you can't do. The benefits of Airforce over Army are overwhelming, and being in the army doesn't really prove you can do much more than pass Highschool.

Good points, and yeah.. the benefits are a HUGE difference. My grandfather, USAF compared to my uncle USMC.. comparing their bases, benefits, etc, it almost seems like a travesty for my uncle ;p hehe.

Although the physical reqs for AF are actually lower, but I'm using the Army PFT charts my good bro gave me to start training and such, I want to excel.

 

[Gray Fox]

So in any case whats the differance between the US marines and the army, aren't marines just soldiers who are depolyed from navy ships, and army is flown or driven in.

Also from what i know in holland, to get in to the AF you need to be way better schooled then teh army hence the pay and benefits are bigger, so if you can join the af, join it.

 

[Recoil]

So in any case whats the differance between the US marines and the army, aren't marines just soldiers who are depolyed from navy ships, and army is flown or driven in.

Hm, the Marines are 'just' a seperate unit in the army. They've got a tougher training and all, I think.

 

[Razor]

Hm, the Marines are 'just' a seperate unit in the army. They've got a tougher training and all, I think.

Marines are nothing to do with the army,they're like a seperated part of the navy and have the toughest fitness requirements for any of the 4 services.

I am going in the airforce and hoping to become aircrew, my dad was in the army, my grandad was airforce and my uncle was airforce. In my opinion, the airforce just comes across as an organisation that has smarter, more well mannered people in it. Probably stereotyping though.

Also the fact that the Raf college is right down the road from me so most of my training won't be too far from home.

 

[Icarusintel]

i'm personally in Army ROTC, but a lot of my friends are in AFROTC, and well, i guess they get a better deal, i mean, less hard work, less time spent crawling around on the ground, really good if you're interested in technical things, the real question is, if you wanna go in for a career, what do you want to do?

 

[Dag]

If you like hanging around people, and are more of a people person, go for the army. (Seeing as how you will be hanging around with them in the warzone.) If you like machines, ect. Join the AF, as you most likely fly by yourself, or with one other person. (But then again, you don't have to fly in the AF, you could be a contracter. ). But if don't like walking, don't join the army.

*Story!* (Sorry, I had to put it in here. )
When my dad was training at jump school, he was mixed in among the army officers who also happened to be doing jump. (My dads in the AF.) He said you could always tell who was a new Army Recruit, a seasoned Army Captain, or higher ranking person, and the Air Force people. The New Recruits would open thier parachutes, land anywhere, and thank God on thier knees that they were still alive. The seasoned Army people would steer toward the soft, newly plowed land, so thier landing would be softer. And lastly, the AF people would steer toward the buses, so they wouldn't need to walk.

 

[Tr0n]

Airforce.

 

[Razor]

If you like hanging around people, and are more of a people person, go for the army. (Seeing as how you will be hanging around with them in the warzone.) If you like machines, ect. Join the AF, as you most likely fly by yourself, or with one other person. (But then again, you don't have to fly in the AF, you could be a contracter. ). But if don't like walking, don't join the army.

*Story!* (Sorry, I had to put it in here. )
When my dad was training at jump school, he was mixed in among the army officers who also happened to be doing jump. (My dads in the AF.) He said you could always tell who was a new Army Recruit, a seasoned Army Captain, or higher ranking person, and the Air Force people. The New Recruits would open thier parachutes, land anywhere, and thank God on thier knees that they were still alive. The seasoned Army people would steer toward the soft, newly plowed land, so thier landing would be softer. And lastly, the AF people would steer toward the buses, so they wouldn't need to walk.

Proves my point, airforce is where the smart people go .

edit: You could always look at the uniform, airforces always have the best looking uniforms around the world and when you tell chicks you're in the airforce, they all think you're a fighter pilot as default...wooohooooo.

 

[Steve]

Marines are nothing to do with the army,they're like a seperated part of the navy and have the toughest fitness requirements for any of the 4 services.

The Marines are their own branch of the military. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines. They're for quick response and have land, sea, and air capabilities.

 

[Razor]

The Marines are their own branch of the military. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines. They're for quick response and have land, sea, and air capabilities.

Yes, but they are "connected" with the Navy.


Short Recoil would know best, but no....someone had to go and ban him .

 

[Steve]

Yes, but they are "connected" with the Navy.

No, they are "Not". Not any more than they are connected with the Army. They may do lots of joint operations, but so do the Navy and Army.

 

[Tr0n]

Wikipedia > Razor.

The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States armed forces. While concerned almost exclusively with shipboard security service and amphibious warfare in its formative years, the Marine Corps has evolved to fill a unique, multi-purpose role within the modern United States military.

The Marine Corps is the second smallest of the five branches of the United States armed forces, with 176,000 active and 40,000 reserve Marines as of 2002. Only the United States Coast Guard, part of the Department of Homeland Security, is smaller.

Both the Marine Corps and the United States Navy fall under the umbrella of the Department of the Navy. While organizationally separate forces, the two services work closely together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_marines

 

[jondy]

Short Recoil would know best, but no....someone had to go and ban him .

Yes, yes they did.

 

[Icarusintel]

But Marines fall under Navy ROTC - they're Navy ROTC Marine Option

 

[Razor]

Wikipedia > Razor.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_marines

But it backed up my whole point so Wikipedia == Razor


Wikipedia

Both the Marine Corps and the United States Navy fall under the umbrella of the Department of the Navy. While organizationally separate forces, the two services work closely together.

Razor

Marines are nothing to do with the army,they're like a seperated part of the navy and have the toughest fitness requirements for any of the 4 services.

 

[Tr0n]

Department of navy and the united states navy are two different things.

Also...

While organizationally separate forces, the two services work closely together

 

[Razor]

Why are the Department of the Navy and the United States Navy different?

"they're like a seperated part of the navy"


edit: What Wikipedia says about the Royal Marines.
"The Corps of Royal Marines, usually just known as the Royal Marines (RM), are the United Kingdom's amphibious forces and a core component of the country's Rapid Deployment Force. They are lightly equipped, able to operate independently in all terrains, and highly trained as a commando force. Royal Marines undergo the longest basic training in the world and it is largely because of this that they are regarded by many as the world's best fighting force.

The Royal Marines are a component part of the Royal Navy."

 

[BF2slut]

If you like hanging around people, and are more of a people person, go for the army. (Seeing as how you will be hanging around with them in the warzone.) If you like machines, ect. Join the AF, as you most likely fly by yourself, or with one other person. (But then again, you don't have to fly in the AF, you could be a contracter. ). But if don't like walking, don't join the army.

*Story!* (Sorry, I had to put it in here. )
When my dad was training at jump school, he was mixed in among the army officers who also happened to be doing jump. (My dads in the AF.) He said you could always tell who was a new Army Recruit, a seasoned Army Captain, or higher ranking person, and the Air Force people. The New Recruits would open thier parachutes, land anywhere, and thank God on thier knees that they were still alive. The seasoned Army people would steer toward the soft, newly plowed land, so thier landing would be softer. And lastly, the AF people would steer toward the buses, so they wouldn't need to walk.

Go Airforce. The living conditions are alot better.

You have to be an officer to fly by the way.

 

[thenerdguy]

The USMC used to be closer to the navy and are regarded as cousins, The USMC Does not train medics, The Navy provides them.
The given assumption is that a Marine that is just out of bootcamp and SOI (soldier of infantry) has had almost the equal training as a Army Ranger.
The USMC is Smaller than the other Branches but is considered the most bad@ssed (except for Delta Force, Seals, Green Berets and Force Recon)
Marines are almost allways the first in, The Main Army will come in later and Police After the Marines have left.


(Older Bro is a Marine and fought in Iraq)

 

[bvasgm]

So what you're saying, is that Force Recon is the most bad@ssed of them all?

In response to the original question: NROTC > AFROTC > AROTC

 

[Steve]

I always thought that SEALS were the most badass.

 

[thenerdguy]

So what you're saying, is that Force Recon is the most bad@ssed of them all?

In response to the original question: NROTC > AFROTC > AROTC

NO i was saying Special Forces in general are more Bad@ssed, Force Recon is Bad@ssed but Seals are considered the Best, Heck Force Recon is not listed as part of Special Forces but it is considered one.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I'd go with AROTC instead of AFROTC.

 

[Vigilante]

Hm, the Marines are 'just' a seperate unit in the army. They've got a tougher training and all, I think.

The marines are a their own branch.

 

[Steve]

I'd go with AROTC instead of AFROTC.

But you can pronounce AFROTC "Afro Tee See".

 

[johnshafft]

I've got a choice to make before the end of my Junior year. At that point I'll need to submit my scholarship applications to the military info to make all the rounds, and if given one, after college I'll be commissioned Second Lieutenant (not sure for army) for X number of years stated in contract.

I have a strong family history in all branches- Air Force Army and Marines, but Air Force is most prominent. I've got a love for military flight, too.

I'm debating with myself whether to go Army ROTC or Air Force ROTC. The Army is lacking in Warrant Officers right now and that fits my love, but I've also got a strong inkling towards the Air Force.

Right now I'm tilted a lot more towards the AF, but I could be swayed to go Army ROTC if there's a strong enough case and there comes up something that is just right.

Deployment is not an issue for me in this.

Any suggestions? I'd appreciate any forum veterans who can chime in and offer advice, too.

edit: No, not expecting to pilot or anything either ;p. I can't anyway, barred from it, vision too bad.

If you wanta fly go Air Force ROTC and make sure you have a 4.0 with a ton of extracurricular activities. if you want to do anything with Space go Air Force as that is considered thier theater of operations. Air Force also has a lot of tech and medical programs that will extend into civil service if/when you choose to leave.

the Army well is the army thier purpose is to secure and hold ground. So you get to learn the way of the infantryman, Mechanised forces, Rotorcraft, or paper pusher. If you can prove yourself disciplined enough you can go special forces via the Paratroopers, Rangers, and even Delta Force. SF has less to do about ROTC programs and more about discipline, smart choices, and being level headed.

 

[bvasgm]

I'm pretty shure that Rakurai isn't gonna join AROTC hoping to become a Ranger or a member of Delta Force ...Also, If you decide to go into the Air Force, it doesn't matter if you have a 4.0 GPA with loads of extracurricular activities. You only need that if you want to join the Air Force Academy.

Edit: Also, space isn't the Air Force's only theater of operations. It's one of them.

 

[slicktick]

Go airforce, they have better bases and locations to live in the world.
Housing is better, plus its easier. thats the one to go for. It also has the most oppurtuinty for careers afterwards.

(and oh, my dad was in the army and fought in Iraq, so im not predjudiced)

 

[Dag]

Marines are nothing to do with the army,they're like a seperated part of the navy and have the toughest fitness requirements for any of the 4 services.

I guess SEALs, Rangers, Delta, AOC people don't train nearly as hard, right? :dozey: All the forces work together to achieve things. No one force ever completes an objective nowadays. Heavy armour is usually supplied by the army, while the men are usually supplied by Marines. Marines never go in seperatly, they are like an Augmentation to the Army. But of course, as I have heard, no matter he be Army of Marines, his most powerful weapon is his Radio with which to call in Air Strikes.

As for those who say Air Force has better lodgings, listen to this.

Talking to an Apache pilot of the First Gulf War- "We sat, in F***ing sleeping bags, in 120 degrees, at 12 at night, with the sweat dripping off us. If we rolled over, we would roll into the sand and have sand in your pants. Meanwhile, two blocks away, the AF guys stayed in an Air Conditioned building to lodge. I know why the kept us busy. They kept us busy so they wouldn't kill those mother f***ers."

 

[thenerdguy]

I guess SEALs, Rangers, Delta, AOC people don't train nearly as hard, right? :dozey: All the forces work together to achieve things. No one force ever completes an objective nowadays. Heavy armour is usually supplied by the army, while the men are usually supplied by Marines. Marines never go in seperatly, they are like an Augmentation to the Army. But of course, as I have heard, no matter he be Army of Marines, his most powerful weapon is his Radio with which to call in Air Strikes.

As for those who say Air Force has better lodgings, listen to this.

Talking to an Apache pilot of the First Gulf War- "We sat, in F***ing sleeping bags, in 120 degrees, at 12 at night, with the sweat dripping off us. If we rolled over, we would roll into the sand and have sand in your pants. Meanwhile, two blocks away, the AF guys stayed in an Air Conditioned building to lodge. I know why the kept us busy. They kept us busy so they wouldn't kill those mother f***ers."

Ahem,

To get into the Marines it takes more effort than the Army, Air Force, Navy.
Getting into SF is a hole differnt story.

 

[Dag]

Try telling an Infantry officer that he doesn't work as hard as a Marine.

 

[thenerdguy]

I have.
Pissed him off but the 20 marines thought it was funny. (Family day at robinson)

Im not trying to down any other branches because thay have there place in things.

Its just the USMC has gotten the bad@ss rep and they have proved that its true.

 

[Dag]

I wouldn't doubt that if I told a Marine to suck my d***, my neck would be snapped, and I would be dragged behind his car by my entrails, but its just Military Rivalry which each seperate branch shows.

P.S., Badass Rep? Full Metal Jacket anyone? Hahaha.

 

[bvasgm]

All he's saying is that the physical requirements to enter the Marines are more demanding than in any other branch of the Military. Also, it's true that a Marine right out of Basic is better trained and more experienced than somebody from another branch of the military.

 

[johnshafft]

I'm pretty shure that Rakurai isn't gonna join AROTC hoping to become a Ranger or a member of Delta Force ...Also, If you decide to go into the Air Force, it doesn't matter if you have a 4.0 GPA with loads of extracurricular activities. You only need that if you want to join the Air Force Academy.

Edit: Also, space isn't the Air Force's only theater of operations. It's one of them.

why dont you take a minute and reread my post. it will save you from looking like an ass oh too late.

Theres a lot of soldiers out thier that come out of jrotc and rotc programs and expect that they will be given the spots that thier recuirters told them could get. Do you really know if he knows that or not? I've met people that have had 8 years of JROTC and ROTC in the Army and Airforce that were promised the world and ended up getting the shaft. because the recuiters are just that! So if he wants to be a SF hes got to have more that just ROTC.

IF YOU WANT TO FLY you better have a 4.0 and have extracurricular activities, even Airmen coming out of the academy have to fight for positions. postions that have a back log of airmen that are already in the service. and For the record Places like Texas A&M, University of North Texas, Texas Tech, UT, and the acadamy are all considered on the same level when determining who get the chance to fly. Becase its not really the school but what you did in school.

I'll quote myself for you so you can understand it "if you want to do anything with Space go Air Force as that is considered thier theater of operations" No where does that say thats thier only theater!

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

why dont you take a minute and reread my post. it will save you from looking like an ass oh too late.

Theres a lot of soldiers out thier that come out of jrotc and rotc programs and expect that they will be given the spots that thier recuirters told them could get. Do you really know if he knows that or not? I've met people that have had 8 years of JROTC and ROTC in the Army and Airforce that were promised the world and ended up getting the shaft. because the recuiters are just that! So if he wants to be a SF hes got to have more that just ROTC.

IF YOU WANT TO FLY you better have a 4.0 and have extracurricular activities, even Airmen coming out of the academy have to fight for positions. postions that have a back log of airmen that are already in the service. and For the record Places like Texas A&M, University of North Texas, Texas Tech, UT, and the acadamy are all considered on the same level when determining who get the chance to fly. Becase its not really the school but what you did in school.

I'll quote myself for you so you can understand it "if you want to do anything with Space go Air Force as that is considered thier theater of operations" No where does that say thats thier only theater!

Yeah, aware of 'promising the world' and such. Put a ton of research into it and everything already though, so I'm prepared and such. I can't fly due to my vision, not looking to anyway even if I could though.

I'm mainly looking towards an officer career with Security Forces, Airfield Operations, or Intelligence (I'd LOVE to work with technology like the U2 spy plane. Lovely)

Of course those are my "OH MY GOD THOSE JOBS FIT ME!!" picks, I could adapt to any service or field assigned to with the proper training.

 

[johnshafft]

the Marines have a lower apptitude requirement for admission, and they also have the most fatalities of the 4 branches.

Last time I looked Boot camp was longer for marines, but at the same time the other forces were getting thier people in the specialty training sooner.

What ever the case they still do thier duty and serve thier country, and get my respects.

 

[johnshafft]

Yeah, aware of 'promising the world' and such. Put a ton of research into it and everything already though, so I'm prepared and such. I can't fly due to my vision, not looking to anyway even if I could though.

Thats cool, I've met some smart people that let the moment catch up with them.

Security can be cool depending on the location, thiers some really cool toys out there

If you really want some action look at being a PJ or a combat controller :
http://www.airforce.com/careers/job.php?catg_id=1&sub_catg_id=3&af_job_id=178

Nothing beats Jumping into enemy territory, setting up air traffic control, and avoiding enemy patrols