attn bible bashers

[DeusExMachina]

wtf no ftw? /cry.

But in all seriousness, Theism is bullshit. A God would not operate on a human level like so many religions percieve them as. They are supposed to be a supreme entity of benelovent power. None of this "Heaven and Hell." They don't reward you for believing in them or punish you for not. Its ridiculous the trash in the Bible/Koran/Torah/etc. And then people even believe all of it to be true? Get some education. Stop letting a book think for you. Start thinking logically. Don't immediately assume the universe is so complex. Search for meaning.

Atheism is bullshit. Explain to me how you can truly prove God doesn't exist? Oh? Logic right? Just because you can't see it, it doesn't exist. Right, right. So true, so true. No, just because you can't see it and a few books make Gods to seem like fairy tales does not mean something isn't out there. Or perhaps something was there before and now has left? Or maybe the universe always has and always will (or will one day collapse on itself). You don't know. Get some education. Stop thinking logically. Start thinking on a more universal level, spiritual level. Don't immediately assume the universe is so simple as that everything was a coincidence. Search for meaning.


/two cents.

 

[Absinthe]

Atheism is bullshit. Explain to me how you can truly prove God doesn't exist? Oh? Logic right? Just because you can't see it, it doesn't exist. Right, right. So true, so true. No, just because you can't see it and a few books make Gods to seem like fairy tales does not mean something isn't out there. Or perhaps something was there before and now has left? Or maybe the universe always has and always will (or will one day collapse on itself). You don't know. Get some education. Stop thinking logically. Start thinking on a more universal level, spiritual level. Don't immediately assume the universe is so simple as that everything was a coincidence. Search for meaning.

You have no idea what atheism is.

 

[Raeven0]

You have no idea what atheism is.

He seems also to have a pathetic perception of theism.

 

[Jintor]

Religion: An excuse.

...the only possible divine power there is is a malevolant one.

{This is so coming back to haunt me later}

 

[Raeven0]

Pearls before swine~

 

[CptStern]

You blindly follow the grand theory evolution and the big bang, theres just as much "proof" to that as there is to the Bible

no, absolutely not ..evolution (micro) is an observable fact ..there's nothing in the bible that withstands even the most superficial of scrutiny

 

[CptStern]

Ya, I know micro evlolution is true, I was talking about the "grand theory" of evolution. Ya know, the whole "first we were little meat pods in a stew, then a gazzillion years later it grew legs, then 2 gazzillion years later in turned into a monkey-human, etc." In fact, you have to believe in microevolution if you wan't to believe in some parts of the Bible; Like Noahs' Ark, for example- there's no way a gazzillion [I like that word ] species of animals could fit into a 3 football sized ark. But if it were just the core genuses of animals [like instead of bringing wolves, poodles, and collies he just brought "dogs"] its actually plausible without being a complete miracle.

oh come on ...please dont bring up silly little stories of god's wrath to prove something that is physically impossible. Micro biology alone could not account for the multitude of species that are present today had the starting point been only a few thousand years

 

[The Monkey]

-Karl Marx, co-founder of communism and a good friend of Nikoli Lenin.

Marx died when Lenin was 13, and I don't think they ever met, so "good friend" is a bit exaggerated, don't you think?

 

[kirovman]

Communism just replaces the old opiate with the new opiate "The bright new future"

 

[Solaris]

I <3 communism

 

[Teta_Bonita]

Marx died when Lenin was 13, and I don't think they ever met, so "good friend" is a bit exaggerated, don't you think?

Lenin is the other co-founder of communism. Sure, they weren't excaclty good friends, because like, they never met each other :E, but Lenin admired Marx and Marx "set up" Lenin.

 

[The Monkey]

Lenin is the other co-founder of communism. Sure, they weren't excaclty good friends, because like, they never met each other :E, but Lenin admired Marx and Marx "set up" Lenin.

Lenin brought communism from theory to reality. His goal was to build Soviet as Marx has written, but he died pretty soon. As Stalin came to power, Soviet turned to something very far from Marxism.

 

[DeusExMachina]

You have no idea what atheism is.

Atheism is the lack of belief in a God or higher power. What else does atheism incorporate?

Theism is the belief in a God or higher power. Yes, even though everyone views Theism as this definition, its still pathetic.

 

[Eg.]

Ya, I know micro evlolution is true, I was talking about the "grand theory" of evolution. Ya know, the whole "first we were little meat pods in a stew, then a gazzillion years later it grew legs, then 2 gazzillion years later in turned into a monkey-human, etc." In fact, you have to believe in microevolution if you wan't to believe in some parts of the Bible; Like Noahs' Ark, for example- there's no way a gazzillion [I like that word ] species of animals could fit into a 3 football sized ark. But if it were just the core genuses of animals [like instead of bringing wolves, poodles, and collies he just brought "dogs"] its actually plausible without being a complete miracle.

oh god im agreeing with kirk, but...

So all of the animals Noah brought with him, the "stems" of the evolutionary tree, evolved into all modern forms of life, while humans didnt change at all?

 

[Solaris]

Lenin brought communism from theory to reality. His goal was to build Soviet as Marx has written, but he died pretty soon. As Stalin came to power, Soviet turned to something very far from Marxism.

IDD, thats why socilism must be an international movement.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Social Democracy might work.

 

[jabberwock95]

The real problem is close-minded people who refuse to be open to new ideas. Whether these people are scientific or religous is immaterial.

The Bible is a book. Like any other it was written by human beings. God did not call unto the secretaries of the land to come take dictation. The Bible is an interpretation by men of what they believed. Different interpretations maybe, the Bible is a guide, not a rule book.

Evolution vs. Creationism is a debate that could go on for millenia (it has already actually). Proof one way or another is very hard to come by. You would be surprised the amount of people who refuse to believe that evolution is still a theory.

Since you enjoy posing difficult questions to IDers (who doesn't?), heres one for you evolutionists:

If we evolved from monkeys (and monkeys evolved from something else, all the way back to the primordial soup), how come we have different numbers of chromosomes? As far as science has progressed, we know of no possible way for organisms to gain or lose chromosomes. So how did it come about?


I'm not particularly religous by the way, I just love a good argument. :E

 

[DeusExMachina]

The real problem is close-minded people who refuse to be open to new ideas. Whether these people are scientific or religous is immaterial.

The Bible is a book. Like any other it was written by human beings. God did not call unto the secretaries of the land to come take dictation. The Bible is an interpretation by men of what they believed. Different interpretations maybe, the Bible is a guide, not a rule book.

Evolution vs. Creationism is a debate that could go on for millenia (it has already actually). Proof one way or another is very hard to come by. You would be surprised the amount of people who refuse to believe that evolution is still a theory.

Since you enjoy posing difficult questions to IDers (who doesn't?), heres one for you evolutionists:

If we evolved from monkeys (and monkeys evolved from something else, all the way back to the primordial soup), how come we have different numbers of chromosomes? As far as science has progressed, we know of no possible way for organisms to gain or lose chromosomes. So how did it come about?


I'm not particularly religous by the way, I just love a good argument. :E

Well there's your first mistake. We didn't evolve from monkeys.

 

[Murray_H]

So it's harder to believe evolution from single-celled organisms to complex beings such as humans over millions and millions of years (that is a very, very, very long time), but you can be prepared to believe a massive expansion in diversity over 4400 years (from here http://www.drdino.com) from the end of the flood to the present day?

 

[jabberwock95]

Well there's your first mistake. We didn't evolve from monkeys.

OK, replace the word 'monkeys' in the question with 'pre-human organisms'. That way I cant get critisised. :E

 

[Raeven0]

We have africans, caucasians, asians, the welch (like, whatever they are :upstare: ), latinos, native americans, eskimos (which may be similar to the native americans), koreans, and a bunch more that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Our lives grew shorter, too.

no, absolutely not ..evolution (micro) is an observable fact ..there's nothing in the bible that withstands even the most superficial of scrutiny

Elaborate. I read an article to that effect not long ago, but all of the points brought up were either 100% hot dogs or beyond my capacity to judge.

 

[Absinthe]

Atheism is the lack of belief in a God or higher power. What else does atheism incorporate?

Lack of belief is not the same as saying God doesn't exist. A God may very well exist, but that doesn't change the fact that we don't have any rational reason to believe in one. No moreso than in unicorns, witches, and alien Jello-O entities that wish to suck the marrow through our eyeballs.

Atheism doesn't say gods are non-existent. It doesn't try to disprove them. It is, as you said, an absence of belief. So to say that atheism is bullshit on some fundamental level is ignorant.

And why am I reading pea-brained posts arguing against evolution in any way? What is wrong with you people?

 

[Tr0n]

/me covers his eyes

 

[DeusExMachina]

Lack of belief is not the same as saying God doesn't exist. A God may very well exist, but that doesn't change the fact that we don't have any rational reason to believe in one. No moreso than in unicorns, witches, and alien Jello-O entities that wish to suck the marrow through our eyeballs.

Atheism doesn't say gods are non-existent. It doesn't try to disprove them. It is, as you said, an absence of belief. So to say that atheism is bullshit on some fundamental level is ignorant.

And why am I reading pea-brained posts arguing against evolution in any way? What is wrong with you people?

So are you suggesting atheists are agnostic as well?

And the arguers are just misguided

 

[Absinthe]

So are you suggesting atheists are agnostic as well?

Agnosticism isn't some "third way". It's not comparable to theism and atheism. Agnosticism is the doctrine that one cannot obtain absolute truth and therefore nothing can even be 100% proven. This can apply to both theism and atheism. It's simply the admission of uncertainty.

People have cultivated this stupid myth of agnosticism somehow being above any theological debate. They've dressed it up as something it's not.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Agnosticism isn't some "third way". It's not comparable to theism and atheism. Agnosticism is the doctrine that one cannot obtain absolute truth and therefore nothing can even be 100% proven. This can apply to both theism and atheism. It's simply the admission of uncertainty.

People have cultivated this stupid myth of agnosticism somehow being above any theological debate. They've dressed it up as something it's not.

Yes, but if an atheist believes that the existence of a God is unknowable, but chooses to not believe because of lack of evidence, would he not be an agnostic-atheist? Or "weak/negative" atheism as the atheists want to call it these days.

 

[Jintor]

An aethiest does not believe in the non-existance of a god. An aethiest is convinced about the non-existance of a god. Belief and being convinced are entirely different.

Douglas Adams, natch. (Who saw himself as a radical athiest but apparently only in order to not be labled agnostic)

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, he would be an agnostic atheist. Weak atheism is defined as not believing in deities due to lack of evidence. In this respect, every atheist is a weak one. The idea that atheists can be split into two different categories (weak/strong) is a popular but fallacious concept. But I suppose it works in general conversation, as everybody knows what you'd be talking about.
On the other hand, you can also have an agnostic theist; somebody who can't claim certainty about a god's existence, but believes in it.

Really, most popular terminology today is based on misuse. :\

 

[DeusExMachina]

You wouldn't believe how many people think agnosticism and atheism are the same thing :\.

But your point is valid. gg.

 

[Absinthe]

People considered to be "strong atheists" are those that reject the notion of deities at all and argue that they absolutely do not exist.

Those people I find to be arrogant and guilty of the same reasoning flaws many theists have.

 

[Jintor]

Uh... i see no shred of evidence that god exists.

But i have no problems with other people believing what they choose to believe.

It's all down to choice, really.