Aus live cattle exports to Indonesia shitstorm

[Robbo]

So last night some hippies released footage to Four Corners of the slaughter practices in some Halal abattoirs in Indonesia which receive live Australian cattle (the programme in at the top right of the 1st link below).
The problem is that cow are having their throats slit then being left to die, which can take 10-20mins, as well as being left to thrash around while they're dieing. The show goes for about 45 mins but is an interesting watch, the worst bit is when they line up a whole lot of cattle then kill them one by one and cut them up in front of the others, the last cow was visibly shaking.
I'm not all that interested in animals rights but I think this should be stopped, especially since it happens in many other countries as well.

The programme in question

Other article if you don't want to watch the video

 

[Raziaar]

Halal and Kosher slaughter practices really are quite cruel to the animals.

 

[morgs]

I think they are practiced here in places where the meat is sent to foreign restaurants.

 

[unozero]

doesn't even bother people in the UK or Germany anymore,sad state of affairs.

 

[Stylo]

I've seen worse so it wasn't that hard to watch but yeah, there's no need to be kicking cows in the face and shit. Pretty unnecessary treatment.

Thrashing about and bleeding everywhere while conscious. Nasty.

 

[15357]

Is there a reason that they do this, or are they just sick ****s?

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Sick ****s, like the majority of people who don't give a shit. I would assume the easiest choice would be to be selective in product selection. But people just don't give a shit.

 

[unozero]

Is there a reason that they do this, or are they just sick ****s?

the secret god of the Desert told them to it this way!
so yeah sick ****ers. All this insanity could be prolly be traced back to one crazy "family" in some Desert in what would be today modern Israel.

 

[morgs]

Pretty sure it's to do with their cultural beliefs. Absurd in this day and age.

 

[unozero]

nah it all started with Judaism and Islam is a rip off so they copied this way of doing things.
Just like most Muslims and some practicing Jews don't eat pork.Another shared trait

 

[Shakermaker]

Dutch government is in the process of criminalizing ritual slaughter, which has made the Jews and Muslims here quite angry. They have one good point: if you make kosher / halal butchering illegal, you should also have a good look at the meat industry, because animals aren't better off there. And that is correct, but that doesn't change the fact that ritual slaughter is also barbaric.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

At least it's one step forward.

 

[YROC]

WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE SO DEPRESSING

 

[unozero]

Dutch government is in the process of criminalizing ritual slaughter, which has made the Jews and Muslims here quite angry. They have one good point: if you make kosher / halal butchering illegal, you should also have a good look at the meat industry, because animals aren't better off there. And that is correct, but that doesn't change the fact that ritual slaughter is also barbaric.

It's just shame that it took so long for someone to notice.
and irrc this is going on in the U.K hopefully they will follow Hollands way of handling this. doubtful though since the U.K always seems to pride itself on not being part of Europe.

 

[morgs]

Religious/cultural views or not it's absolutely ridiculous. Animals should definitely have a 'say' so to speak. Any god that demands an animal to be tortured like that isn't a God I want to have anything to do with.

 

[Dinnesch]

Honestly, 20 minutes painful dying is nothing compared to the 2 years of being unable to move that is 90% of the meat we eat these days. That's my main problem with factory farming, people fail to imagine how long 1-3 years is.

 

[Robbo]

To be fair to the religions in this case specifically their guidelines only state that the animal must be alive when it has it's throat cut. The problem here is that many people believe that stunning the animals goes against this and thats why these animals are killed in such bad conditions. When done properly the animal can be killed while unconscious and still be labeled Halal, it's just some people prefer them to be awake for some reason.

 

[JUL3]

It was an effective story, I became a vegetarian again last night. I just cannot believe that people could be so cruel to animals.
The part where the cow has a broken leg, and instead of putting it out of its misery he instead beats it, breaks its tail, beats it some more then sprays water up its nose. Horrendous.
F*ck the meat industry, I'll have my tofu thank you very much.

 

[morgs]

It's no reason to be put off the meat industry altogether, at least not here. We have several free-range, humane beef/pork/chicken farms. The meat is a little more expensive but I wouldn't buy anything else.

 

[Shakermaker]

It's no reason to be put off the meat industry altogether, at least not here. We have several free-range, humane beef/pork/chicken farms. The meat is a little more expensive but I wouldn't buy anything else.

It is also tastier. 'Factory' meat tastes very dull, but free-range still has a very distinctive taste.

 

[unozero]

I had a burger once un Oklahoma longhorns 100% glass fed/free range.best burger ever.

 

[JUL3]

It's no reason to be put off the meat industry altogether, at least not here. We have several free-range, humane beef/pork/chicken farms. The meat is a little more expensive but I wouldn't buy anything else.

It's not just this that's put me off the industry. There's a film called 'Food Inc' that exposes a lot of terrible stories that have come from the industry. It's enough to make you sick.

 

[Zephos]

Australia banned all exports to Indonesia. Farmers are complaining. Ethical conflict ensuing.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Oh sky cake.

 

[Emporius]

To be fair to the religions in this case specifically their guidelines only state that the animal must be alive when it has it's throat cut. The problem here is that many people believe that stunning the animals goes against this and thats why these animals are killed in such bad conditions. When done properly the animal can be killed while unconscious and still be labeled Halal, it's just some people prefer them to be awake for some reason.

Also when done right, halal killing can be painless and quite quick for the animal even without stunning. The issue is when it isn't done securely and properly, and we as a species love to cut corners.

 

[Shakermaker]

The issue is when it isn't done securely and properly, and we as a species love to cut corners.

Which is in about 80% of the cases. At least, that is what became clear in a Dutch survey.

 

[Stylo]

Also when done right, halal killing can be painless and quite quick for the animal even without stunning. The issue is when it isn't done securely and properly, and we as a species love to cut corners.

But everything is the fault of Religion. Jeez, stop being LOGICAL.

 

[MJ12]

Are products labeled "Free roam" actually legit? I am always uncertain if it's just a half truth to profit.

 

[morgs]

Companies here who advertise as free range and dont actually have a free range farm would receive very strict fines, not to mention tarnishing the brand name they're supplying.

 

[KiplingsCat]

I read an article about this. Indonesia is all like "Australia was only looking at the bad abattoirs, we have good ones too!" Missing the point much?

 

[Remus]

Out of curiosity do you guys support the development of cloned meat?

 

[unozero]

if it taste the same I wouldn't mind.

 

[GreatEmperor]

But everything is the fault of Religion. Jeez, stop being LOGICAL.

There is no reason to not use a damn air gun, their religion dictates that it must be this way and their religion dictates they should only eat halal/kosher. Even if better methods are available, they will still do it this way because thats how it has been done before. How is religion, specifically their religion, not the factor here

 

[Raziaar]

Out of curiosity do you guys support the development of cloned meat?

Absolutely! Cloned meat and genetically modified food to feed the world.

Cloned meat, genetically modified food, wind powered water accumulators. All we'll ever need.

 

[Robbo]

There is no reason to not use a damn air gun, their religion dictates that it must be this way and their religion dictates they should only eat halal/kosher. Even if better methods are available, they will still do it this way because thats how it has been done before. How is religion, specifically their religion, not the factor here

Because their religion only states that the animal needs to be alive, facing Meca and have it's throat cut. There are ways of doing that which are not cruel to the animal, such as stunning it, which these places are not practicing. This is apparently because some consumers think that stunning the animal is somehow the same as killing it. So it's a problem with the people being misinformed rather than the religion itself dictating that the cows have to be treated in this way.

The other problem is that the Australian cattle industry has provided training and equipment to most of these abattoir which they have ignored.

 

[GreatEmperor]

Because their religion only states that the animal needs to be alive, facing Meca and have it's throat cut. There are ways of doing that which are not cruel to the animal, such as stunning it, which these places are not practicing. This is apparently because some consumers think that stunning the animal is somehow the same as killing it. So it's a problem with the people being misinformed rather than the religion itself dictating that the cows have to be treated in this way.

The other problem is that the Australian cattle industry has provided training and equipment to most of these abattoir which they have ignored.

Okay

Of course it will be alive until you kill it

Facing Mecca? Well whatever losers thats no big deal so go ahead and face your cows east, thats REAL important

Throat cutting is the problem, there is no reason for it, an air gun will kill them quite well and humanely, it can also be automated. Them ignoring the aussie equipment shows it is not lack of availability but how stupidly traditional they are that makes this lovely scene occur

 

[Bad^Hat]

Because their religion only states that the animal needs to be alive, facing Meca and have it's throat cut. There are ways of doing that which are not cruel to the animal, such as stunning it, which these places are not practicing. This is apparently because some consumers think that stunning the animal is somehow the same as killing it. So it's a problem with the people being misinformed rather than the religion itself dictating that the cows have to be treated in this way.

Yeah the problem is just that these people have been "misinformed" about what their holy book is telling them to do in order to not offend their God. I'm sure clearing up this confusion will be a simple matter, deeply religious people are very receptive to conflicting information!!

 

[Robbo]

Throat cutting is the problem, there is no reason for it, an air gun will kill them quite well and humanely, it can also be automated. Them ignoring the aussie equipment shows it is not lack of availability but how stupidly traditional they are that makes this lovely scene occur

Err the reason for it is that the people that buy the meat WANT it killed that way. The equipment that Australia provided would stun the animals so that it could be killed according to islamic customs. I'm not saying that there are not MUCH better ways to do this but as long as people want it killed this way then our aim should be to do it as humanely as possible.

Yeah the problem is just that these people have been "misinformed" about what their holy book is telling them to do in order to not offend their God. I'm sure clearing up this confusion will be a simple matter, deeply religious people are very receptive to conflicting information!!

Umm yes.. The problem is not with what the religion says it's that people either believe that the stunning technique kills the animal or violates halal practices. Either way religious leaders are able to fix this problem through education without violating what their beliefs.

 

[unozero]

yeah not gonna happen buddy.
It doesn't say anywhere women can't drive or that they have to veil themselves completely. Yet it is common place in many majority Muslim Countries and even in Countries where people are fighig for change like in Saudi Arabia make facebook pages telling guys to beat women if they are seen driving...I doubt anyone will explain to them that's not what the Koran instructs.

 

[Robbo]

yeah not gonna happen buddy.
It doesn't say anywhere women can't drive or that they have to veil themselves completely. Yet it is common place in many majority Muslim Countries and even in Countries where people are fighig for change like in Saudi Arabia make facebook pages telling guys to beat women if they are seen driving...I doubt anyone will explain to them that's not what the Koran instructs.

Indonesia is a MUCH different country to Saudi Arabia.

Above all, Indonesia's political process has displayed a remarkable degree of maturity. Three consecutive free and fair presidential elections is one mark of that. Voters have also shown an impressive degree of common sense. For example, when President Yudhoyono was criticized because his wife often appears in public without a head covering, or jilbab, voters shrugged off the criticism.

Source <-- worth a read if you don't know much about Indonesia.
My point being that as a country it is fairly progressive and fighting this problem shouldn't be as hard as in the middle east....... buddy