Autism article...and vaccinations?

[Max35]

Just found an article about Autism, and supposed "beneficial treatment."

The link:

http://www.health-reports.com/autism.html

Apparently, vaccinations at an early age can lead to autism, among other things. And GMOs (genetically modified organisms) in food play a major role. They also speak of successful treatments, mainly the glutathione protein. So, it seems it can reverse many of the symptoms (gradually) and may lead to recovery. It does this by detoxifying the brain cells. Interesting article, anyway.

 

[JNightshade]

Hmm. From what I've heard, this debate has been around for a while. I don't know what I'd rather do- get my kids vaccinated and risk f*cking up their minds, or put them at risk regarding hundreds of infectious diseases.

I guess I'll just take the easy way out and abort them ahead of time.

 

[CptStern]

most vaccinations that they suspect might be a contributing factor are banned. Some contained mercury and they suspect there's a link. All vaccinations are voluntary

and the detoxification as they describe it might work, but that's supposing a build up of toxins is solely responsible for autism ..right now the autism medical community hasnt come to any agreement as to it's causes, but as a percaution both my kids only had certain vaccinations


JNightshade: you cant tell in the womb ..in fact many dont start exhibiting tell tale signs till they're older

 

[Max35]

Well, it's not just the vaccinations used, but also "toxic buildup" caused by them and other contributing factors. While the actual causes of Autism haven't been nailed down to a medical certainty, many have seen improvement of autistic-like symptoms through detoxification (any type), so there's some indication there. Not saying it is certain, though. In any case, even if toxins aren't solely responsible, it would help the neural cells repair through the decreased burden of having to deal with toxins. Also considering many of those afflicted with autism have leaky gut syndrome or some other stomach disorder which is usually caused by toxin leakage, is also an indication. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[A2597]

The problem isn't the vaccinations in and of themselves...

Rather, pumping 1 year old (And younger!) Children with multiple vaccinations during a short period of time.

And I've met so many parents of Autistic children that say "Absolutly normal until he had his vaccinations"

 

[Max35]

The problem isn't the vaccinations in and of themselves...

Rather, pumping 1 year old (And younger!) Children with multiple vaccinations during a short period of time.

Exactly! Which causes the "toxic buildup" Apparently, the immune system goes bonkers and can't detoxify the body. Poorly concieved and utilized technology is our bane.

 

[CptStern]

Well, it's not just the vaccinations used, but also "toxic buildup" caused by them and other contributing factors. While the actual causes of Autism haven't been nailed down to a medical certainty, many have seen improvement of autistic-like symptoms through detoxification (any type), so there's some indication there. Not saying it is certain, though. In any case, even if toxins aren't solely responsible, it would help the neural cells repair through the decreased burden of having to deal with toxins. Also considering many of those afflicted with autism have leaky gut syndrome or some other stomach disorder which is usually caused by toxin leakage, is also an indication. That's how I see it anyway.

my wife is an ABA therapist and belongs to the autism society of canada as a consultant ..mercury poisoning is temporary, eventually levels cause other problems but detoxifying still doesnt have enough clinical reseach that says it works over the long term ..the symptoms are still present in most of the research they've done

you have to understand that the issue of autism has always had two sides ..the medical profession and parents. Parents need something to pin point as a source of autism mostly because of guilt that it could have been genetic ..any parent would much rather that it was enviromental. Parents are just stopping short on banning anything they think might be a contributing factor

 

[Max35]

my wife is an ABA therapist and belongs to the autism society of canada as a consultant ..mercury poisoning is temporary, eventually levels cause other problems but detoxifying still doesnt have enough clinical reseach that says it works over the long term ..the symptoms are still present in most of the research they've done

you have to understand that the issue of autism has always had two sides ..the medical profession and parents. Parents need something to pin point as a source of autism mostly because of guilt that it could have been genetic ..any parent would much rather that it was enviromental. Parents are just stopping short on banning anything they think might be a contributing factor

While I am certainly not ruling out a genetic cause, I still think it is largely due to environmental factors. I don't think banning anything merely theorized to play a role in Autism should be banned is a good idea, though.

In most of the cases for autism, a poor immune system w/ an overload of toxins is usually found. If you read the article I posted, it claimed that the cases for autism exploded when vaccinations were put into heavy use. While this may be merely a coincidence, I don't know what else to make of it.

As for detoxifying, mercury isn't the only substance present. And it seems that the immune system is badly damaged in a considerable majority of cases, so detoxifying would only have a short term benefit unless the underlying cause (the immune system) is corrected.

I would also like to add another "side" of autism besides the parents and medical professionals. The government allowed GMOs (genetically modified organisms) were put into our foods without sufficient testing it seems w/ links to autism.

Where mental illnesses (or any ailment for that matter) are concerned, there is usually more than one cause to pick from, or there is a combination. And the environment, social conditioning, genetics can have a considerable effect on the brain.

I'm really not sure if parents are pin pointing the cause out of guilt (that may be, I'm not an eminent expert in the field) I think anyone would want to know the source of their problems and how to fix it. Guilt might be a stimulating factor, but I think it is hardly the sole motivation. At least, not from my perspective.

 

[CptStern]

no genetic cause ..genetic predisposition for a low immune system which may put some children at risk

incidentily 4 of my wife's clients are currently undergoing detoxification (it's all the rage with parents) ..yet not a single one has been "cured" of autism ..in fact the symptoms are exactly the same and there's no improvement

do enviromental factors play a role in developing autism? ..most likely however to think that there's a single factor that can "cured" through detoxification is the modern day equivilent to snake oil

seriously there's no substantial evidence either way

 

[kirovman]

The link between MMR and autism is seen to be bordering on scare-mongering, doing more harm than good.

The MMR vaccine hits a small child with more viruses than it’s poorly developed immune system can handle. It literally will cause viral infections in the child that overwhelm the immune system and in some cases lead to autism.

But the viruses aren't live, and the immune system reacts to the 3 components at different times over the following 6 weeks IIRC.

 

[Parrot of doom]

The link between MMR and autism is seen to be bordering on scare-mongering, doing more harm than good.



But the viruses aren't live, and the immune system reacts to the 3 components at different times over the following 6 weeks IIRC.

There is no link between MMR and autism. Full stop.

The risks of not having your child immunised with MMR are worth serious consideration.

 

[Max35]

no genetic cause ..genetic predisposition for a low immune system which may put some children at risk

incidentily 4 of my wife's clients are currently undergoing detoxification (it's all the rage with parents) ..yet not a single one has been "cured" of autism ..in fact the symptoms are exactly the same and there's no improvement

do enviromental factors play a role in developing autism? ..most likely however to think that there's a single factor that can "cured" through detoxification is the modern day equivilent to snake oil

seriously there's no substantial evidence either way

genetic predisposition was what I thinking, so in a sense it's a contributing "cause," or something...

as for detoxification, maybe the methods used are ineffective at treating the cause? besides that you are right that there isn't any definite answer either way. It seems to work in some cases, in some it doesn't. Or it could just be a complete fabrication by some unknown source.

Maybe a few cases with autisitic-like symptoms were cured through detox, and then it was suddenly hailed as a cure. (thyroid and other med conditions can mimick such symptoms...even psychosis). But I do agree that at this current juncture, there's not really much to go on. Just speculation.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Last I read the whole vaccination link (modern ones, mind, not the stuff with mercury in it) it was pinpointed as simply a marketing tactic that the holistic medicine folk used. Alternate therapy is bullshit, if you ask me.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Max35]

Alternate therapy is bullshit, if you ask me.

Oh, it has it's uses. The Egyptians seemed to do alright with it, heh. But you do have your fair share of scammers out there, like in any other field.

 

[CptStern]

genetic predisposition was what I thinking, so in a sense it's a contributing "cause," or something...

as for detoxification, maybe the methods used are ineffective at treating the cause? besides that you are right that there isn't any definite answer either way. It seems to work in some cases, in some it doesn't. Or it could just be a complete fabrication by some unknown source.

Maybe a few cases with autisitic-like symptoms were cured through detox, and then it was suddenly hailed as a cure. (thyroid and other med conditions can mimick such symptoms...even psychosis). But I do agree that at this current juncture, there's not really much to go on. Just speculation.

but that's the clincher ..the medical community hasnt defined what autism is ..right now all they have is a list of symptoms that are linked to autism ...so if you fall into a few of those symptoms you have autism ...which is completely misleading ..for example: asperger's syndrome is similiar to autism but has very different indicators despite falling under the same umbrella of symptoms

 

[Max35]

but that's the clincher ..the medical community hasnt defined what autism is ..right now all they have is a list of symptoms that are linked to autism ...so if you fall into a few of those symptoms you have autism ...which is completely misleading ..for example: asperger's syndrome is similiar to autism but has very different indicators despite falling under the same umbrella of symptoms

So, let's say someone has asperger's syndrome, but the doc diagnoses the person as having autism without checking the indicators, is that kinda what you mean? Or are you saying that they should fall under the same category, despite having different indicators? Or I am missing the point?

 

[JNightshade]

JNightshade: you cant tell in the womb ..in fact many dont start exhibiting tell tale signs till they're older

Well, duh! I meant I'd abort my kids no matter what. I hate kids.

 

[CptStern]

heh well that's different .......stay away from my kids :E

 

[CptStern]

So, let's say someone has asperger's syndrome, but the doc diagnoses the person as having autism without checking the indicators, is that kinda what you mean? Or are you saying that they should fall under the same category, despite having different indicators? Or I am missing the point?

no I'm saying that aspergers and autism share many of the same symptoms but that they're also very dissimiliar in many ways ..only through research was a distinction made ..up until then they were seen as idiot savants or just plain mentally retarded

edit: oops double post

 

[Max35]

Okay, I get what you're saying now. I mean that seems common sense to me at least.