(Bad Joke :p) Europeans, bow! We rule!

[Sprafa]

[SARCASM]bwahahaha!!! I knew it

We rule again!![/SARCASM]

In a serious note, Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, the Portuguese Prime Minister, whose party suffered a severe political loss in the European elections, now gets a divine political amnesty by the European leaders.

He is now endorsed by all the EU national leaders to be the next European Comission President, the most powereful person in the EU hierarchy when the Constitution applies.

translation from an article next :

The heads of State and Government of the European Union have nominated Durão Barroso today president of the European Commission to start on 01 of November, for a mandate of five years.

The decision was taken by consensus and no delegation demonstrated protest, was said by a diplomatic source to the Portuguese agency .

The document still points out that the decision will be transmitted to the European Parliament - that will vote the nomination of Barroso the 22 of July - and published in European Federal official gazette.

 

[Eejit]

Yay! Go EU! Go EU!

/me eats two Euros

 

[Sprafa]

I guess ppl don't like the title much....

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I sincerly hope hes a good man...Perhaps he can help shape up the EU. Theres just...too...much bureaucracy.

/me gets tared and red taped

 

[Sprafa]

He is a ubër bürokrat.

 

[Tinneth]

Who cares? If we dont join the European Constitution then he has nothing to do with us.

Either that or I dont quite understand this whole european thing

 

[Sprafa]

Oh, come on. You British just want to detach, but still, we need to unite in the great times ahead of us (*patriotic music in the background*) We must UNITE! The European Constitution is only a new attempt to do just that ! UNITE!

 

[Pogrom]

I guess ppl don't like the title much....

Oh, I thought you had to be European to post in this thread. Or was it you had to be European to bow to the Portugese in this thread? :rolling:

Seriously, kudos to him. I know very little of him, but here's to a unified Europe :cheers:

 

[Tinneth]

Hey, we can cope on our own. We ruled the world before the americans did. We want independance!

 

[Sprafa]

Hey, we can cope on our own. We did practically rule most of the world at one point.

So did we

Nostalgic Imperialist bastards.

 

[Pogrom]

Hey, we can cope on our own. We did practically rule most of the world at one point.

At the height of it's power, the British Empire ruled over one third of the world's population.

Saw that last night on Discovery Channel :dozey:

 

[oldagerocker]

Europeans suck... The English Rule
And NO, we shouldnt Unite, thats lunacy... i dont want my country in the hands of Bueracrats in Brussels who i'm not voting for. No thankyou!!
I want to be in control of my own country, ofwhich i am very proud.

 

[Sprafa]

don't start useless discussions.

JUST BOW DAMN IT! do I really need the [sarcasm] tags?

 

[Eejit]

Hey, we can cope on our own. We ruled the world before the americans did.

...so did Italy and Greece (known world).
If the UK withdrew from the EU now the economy would be completely messed up. I saw on the news that about 60% of British exports go to Europe, that figure would fall a lot if they weren't in the EU.

 

[Sprafa]

Portugal once divided the World with Spain. so STFU with your idiotic imperialism, you just stole the lands of us & the Spanyards after we found them.

 

[Tinneth]

If the English people have any say in it, we wont be joining the European Constitution. We don't want our country in the hands of the germans and french.

 

[Sprafa]

If the English people have any say in it, we wont be joining the European Constitution. We don't want our country in the hands of the germans and french.

lol

So England is no more a major part of the EU? Just the Germans and the French ?

Didn't the UK pushed to change the Constitution, and managed to?

 

[Eejit]

Europeans suck... The English Rule
And NO, we shouldnt Unite, thats lunacy... i dont want my country in the hands of Bueracrats in Brussels who i'm not voting for. No thankyou!!
I want to be in control of my own country, ofwhich i am very proud.

wtf? Did you listen to UKIP or something? The guys that say Europe is undemocratic just before being elected into the European parliament

Edit: as for 'the English' having a say in it don't forget about the Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish...

 

[oldagerocker]

If it wasn't for the UK in the EU, the whole thing would collapse.
Being a huge England fan, there's no way im bowing down to the Portuguese... the Swiss on the other hand, highly skilled, thoughtful, intelligent and a people of Great Vision :|
No Euro, No United States of Europe.... c'mon, it wont work, for a start the French are in it, and everyone knows what trouble that start.

I didnt listen to UKIP and i didnt vote for them, i dont want to be out of europe, i just dont want this super-state that all the liberals want... i voted Conservative.

 

[Sprafa]

If it wasn't for the UK in the EU, the whole thing would collapse.
Being a huge England fan, there's no way im bowing down to the Portuguese... the Swiss on the other hand, highly skilled, thoughtful, intelligent and a people of Great Vision :|
No Euro, No United States of Europe.... c'mon, it wont work, for a start the French are in it, and everyone knows what trouble that start.

And the UK are one the less participative countries in the EU, rejecting most of the policies. We just need the economical boost for th Euro to establish.

Ever been to France in the 1st place ? They have the more efficient Social Security program in the World. They are one of the most cultured ppls in the World.

The Swiss....I agree they're a nice ppl. but what's with the Great Vision thing?

I was joking about the bow.....

I really don't understand this anti-EU feeling. Really, together we can beat down the World, but this ppl like it better bowing down to the U.S.A.

 

[Tinneth]

Ever been to France in the 1st place ? They have the more efficient Social Security program in the World. They are one of the most cultured ppls in the World.

The Swiss....I agree they're a nice ppl. but what's with the Great Vision thing?

I was joking about the bow.....

I think he was being sarcastic about the Swiss.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Its the fact that it coulod be morphing into a superstate earlier than it should.


Also, we did fine before the EU came along in its current form. The point about the exports, well we had trade agreements before all this Euro malarky was anything of note. We wouldn't lose our trade if we pulled out, unless of course those decent people in brussels wanted to spite us...But they wouldn't do something so petty now would they?

The refferee was swiss :|


Eejit, people say England a lot now because it seems the scots, N Irish and Wlsh want to disassociate as much as possible from us.

 

[Dedalus]

you guys saying the UK shouldn't join the EU have a little problem i think..

Blair made it a point to bargain right to the death so that the UK would remain in control of it's own decisions...very few decisions that affect you and me will be made in brussels. and the only way we'll grow and progress is by being part of the EU...so shove it.

as for Sprafa, i think you should readjust your posture when posting stuff like this. as it stands people are likely to want to retaliate to your title and your posts by the words you're using etc.

let's hope this porguguese primeminister doesn't dive everytime the wind blows eh..

 

[Sprafa]

Its the fact that it coulod be morphing into a superstate earlier than it should.


Also, we did fine before the EU came along in its current form. The point about the exports, well we had trade agreements before all this Euro malarky was anything of note. We wouldn't lose our trade if we pulled out, unless of course those decent people in brussels wanted to spite us...But they wouldn't do something so petty now would they?

I bet they would

 

[Sprafa]

as for Sprafa, i think you should readjust your posture when posting stuff like this. as it stands people are likely to want to retaliate to your title and your posts by the words you're using etc.

meh

we just need [sarcasm] tags for titles.....

 

[Tinneth]

People that bow..could easily heabutt someone in the balls...then who would be on their knees :sniper:

 

[Sprafa]

ok, whatever.

May a moderator please change the title into something less "offensive" and maybe even clean the thread ?

And damn it, the bow was just a bad joke!

 

[oldagerocker]

"grow and progress"
But will we grow and progress in the right direction ?
The swiss bit was a joke about the swiss ref, in the England vs Portugal game
Blair should bargain to have his say in the EU, most of the policies put forward aren;t for the good of the UK and its economy, France and Germany both deject the EU in policies too and the UK has every right to get a fair deal, afterall we would profit and suffer.
The EU was set up in the first place for trade across the neighbouring countries, and its my view that thats how it should stay, what right does Brussels have to set Uk Tax law, Criminal law or foreight policy, defence? None whatsoever. It's out own business.
Blair is all for EU, which is why i voted Conservative (Blair is Labour). If the policies that the other countries are putting forward are wrong for Britain (as well as other countries in the EU), we should Veto them. Thats our right as a member.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

People that bow..could easily heabutt someone in the balls...then who would be on their knees :sniper:

Ouch..>What if they had one of those helmets with the spikes on :O



Changing title now.

 

[Sprafa]

The EU was set up in the first place for trade across the neighbouring countries, and its my view that thats how it should stay, what right does Brussels have to set Uk Tax law, Criminal law or foreight policy, defence? None whatsoever. It's out own business.

It's clearly stated in the Constitution that the EU can not interfere in such matters.... it only sets a few economic rules, like the Stability Pact, the countries can even break them (France & germany did....).

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Yeah but France gets away with stuff like that because if they don't they all go on strike, in fact i don't the French ever come off strike...Here everyone (May sound surprising to you) just grits their teeth, stiffens their lip and puts up with it.

 

[Eejit]

"grow and progress"
But will we grow and progress in the right direction ?
The swiss bit was a joke about the swiss ref, in the England vs Portugal game
Blair should bargain to have his say in the EU, most of the policies put forward aren;t for the good of the UK and its economy, France and Germany both deject the EU in policies too and the UK has every right to get a fair deal, afterall we would profit and suffer.
The EU was set up in the first place for trade across the neighbouring countries, and its my view that thats how it should stay, what right does Brussels have to set Uk Tax law, Criminal law or foreight policy, defence? None whatsoever. It's out own business.
Blair is all for EU, which is why i voted Conservative (Blair is Labour). If the policies that the other countries are putting forward are wrong for Britain (as well as other countries in the EU), we should Veto them. Thats our right as a member.

What right does Brussels have? It's democratically elected by Europeans (inlcuding the British), so in a way it has just as much right to make EU-wide decisions as Westminster has to make ones affecting the UK.
As for what's 'wrong for Britain' give me an example of bills which Brussels has proposed which will damage British living standards and/or the economy.

 

[Dedalus]

seriously, most of the changes won't even affect us.

are you a criminal? i expect not, so you won't be affected by changes in the law (which have been cited as being trade and fraud related issues). as for defence, there will be a pool of resources that all countries will draw from, so instead of just having the british army/french army/german army/etc, you'd have those armies at their core, but a much larger unilateral force that would be under the control of each country. it's basically taking democracy to the next level, and i can't see why you should be arguing, because practically none of the issues that have been brought up with affect us.

the only issue i can see that will be a big issue over here is changing over from pounds to euros. personally i'd find it a bit awkward, but economic growth takes precedence over personal issues.

it's mostly spin by the conservatives because naturally they want to get into power. i think blair is heading in the right direction when it comes to europe. i might not agree on all of his issues but he's standing his ground and getting the best deal for all of us.

 

[oldagerocker]

AFAIK, the Brits fought for that one.
If the constitution can be broken, then whats the point? Instead of making this constitution, wouldnt the money be better off spent on alieviating poverty caused by the EU? The fact that less economically developed countries cannot import goods into the EU because fo the levies?
The EU shouldnt override any elected government in a particular countries law's, as they are more elected than the EU ministers.
I voted for my local MEP, MEP's just campaign for certain changes and issues, i cant have a vote on who becomes president or kick the president out... is it really a true democracy, it seems too be just democratic for those in power (MEP's), although they represent me, or are supposed to.. the vote still doesnt come down to me, and i dont trust that.

 

[Sprafa]

I'm seriouly starting to believe that everyone that's anti-EU is clearly unimformed on it's principles and actual doctrines and believeing on propaganda.

 

[Sprafa]

the vote still doesnt come down to me, and i dont trust that.

so basically you don't trust the vote of the ppl you vote in...

good philosophy :|

 

[Dedalus]

I'm seriouly starting to believe that everyone that's anti-EU is clearly unimformed on it's principles and actual doctrines and believeing on propaganda.

i think i agree with you on that. it's mostly spin by those who aren't in power. granted there are a few labour MPs who are against europe and it's policies, but all it boils down to is back-biting and spin....so yeah...i agree with you on that..

 

[oldagerocker]

he's standing his ground and getting the best deal for all of us.

I agree with that and i hope he is.
I dont trust anyone... *shifty eyes*
i dont want Britain to lose its independance, the damn Queen better stay on my coins/stamps and bedroom wall poster.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

About the UKIP.Anyone know of a Party(Perhaps Trans Europe) that is pro-EU.Cause I get Sky News BBC etc. here and I watched a few of those UKIP ads and they made me wanna retch violently.
I personally believe its about time a Superstate governing the world was in place but thats just me However if I was asked tomorrow to give up my citizenship and become an EU citizen only,I'd do it.I've had enough of petty national politics and I dont think they are for the good of the people in the countries.
Also if the England(Would the Scotish parliment and the stormont have a say?) did leave the EU I would hope no special trade agreement(Such as the one with Norway) be put in place.It may cost us monatarily however they would be traitors to the Union and should be treated as such.

 

[Sprafa]

i dont want Britain to lose its independance, the damn Queen better stay on my coins/stamps and bedroom wall poster.

lol


Even if you were on the Eurozone, she would still be on the Euro coins....