(Bad Joke :p) Europeans, bow! We rule!

[SFLUFAN]

As an American, I find this discussion very interesting

It's somewhat similar to our Constitutional discussions back in the late 1700s when there was GREAT disagreement over the power that would be granted to the Federal government and the state governments as well as the relative amount of power of states with large populations over those with small populations.

The great compromise involved the formation of Congress where the House of Representatives are elected on the basis of proportional population (thus helping out more populous states) while the Sentate would have 2 Senators from each state (giving power to smaller states).

PS: we really don't want anyone bowing down to us...unless of course you're an attractive woman wearing a low cut blouse - then feel free to bow away :thumbs:

 

[Sprafa]

.....things I agree with.....

Well, the same thing for us, on the European Parlament & the European Comission.

 

[SFLUFAN]

From what I understand though, the European Parliament (though its the only branch elected by the people of the individual member nations themselves) doesn't really have all that much power when compared to the Commission or Council of Ministers right?

 

[Sprafa]

From what I understand though, the European Parliament (though its the only branch elected by the people of the individual member nations themselves) doesn't really have all that much power when compared to the Commission or Council of Ministers right?

Not yet, but with the Constitution applied it'll work properly.

 

[MaddMexican]

I find it funny that Europe has felt the need to make a grand union to counter the U.S. . . . It seems like most nations are envious of the fact that any one European nation can not compare to the U.S. in terms of political influence, Military power, and shear wealth. I don’t understand why Europeans are so eager to conform to this pseudo-socialist form of government.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

As a matter of interest.Where is the evidence thats its a "pseudo-socialist form of government".
But Anyway why shouldnt we combine our resources and power into one state.It worked for you so why shouldnt we do it.Are you afraid perhaps that the USA will no longer become the biggest player in international politics

 

[SFLUFAN]

It's rooted largely in both the European desire to compete with the US on a more even plane - individual European nations simply can't compete effectively on their own (though Germany did quite well until the reunification).

But also I believe there is some deeper psychological reason stemming from a genuine desire on the part of the Europeans to avoid the mistakes of the past that led to two horrific wars in the 20th Century.

 

[Sprafa]

We built the EU to stop the WW, since we were the breaking poit for both of them. We also realized that if we stopped killing each others, we might just not have lost our predominancy in the World for the U.S.A.
There's no "jealous". again, anti-EU sentiment fueled by ignorance.

 

[Sprafa]

hey guys, check this Google search !

http://www.google.com/search?q=Jose...illa-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

he's everywhere!

 

[Razor]

America has Bush and Moore, we have Blair and Kilroy .

I think a European state could be a good thing, as long as countries keep the right to not participate in certain policies, allowing other countries to, rather than having France and Germany destroy policies for everyone because they don't like them.

 

[Tinneth]

Kilroy for President of the World! Then those Arabs would suffer lmao.

 

[mortiz]

Well, in theory if the EU was to work out and a super-state was formed then there'd certainly be a power shift, especially with Russia wanting to join the EU.

I really have no idea what benefits we would reap from joining Europe, if someone presents me with some evidence that it'll be beneficial to me in every day life i'd happily change my stance. At the moment I'm sitting on the fence, and this post jammed up my backside it becoming very uncomfortable!

 

[psyno]

Hooray for more organized exploitation of Eastern Europe.

Best of luck to you guys.. but I hope you don't get swept up in that nationalist (continentalist, lol?) propaganda. Say whatever you want about it, but it's the exact same emotion that's running high in the US atm.

 

[mortiz]

Hooray for more organized exploitation of Eastern Europe.

Best of luck to you guys.. but I hope you don't get swept up in that nationalist (continentalist, lol?) propaganda. Say whatever you want about it, but it's the exact same emotion that's running high in the US atm.

Please explain. Why would Eastern Europe be exploited? They would probably stand to gain the most from such an event.

 

[Z|insane]

Does anyone wanna explain what exactly this Commission does?

 

[Venmoch]

Problem is though that there have been many "schemes" from the EU that have seriously damaged UK policy.

Case in point, CAP or the Common Agricultural Policy. It doesn't help the farmers increases their stress and is the cause of a larger suicide rate in farmers.

 

[Eejit]

About the UKIP.Anyone know of a Party(Perhaps Trans Europe) that is pro-EU.Cause I get Sky News BBC etc. here and I watched a few of those UKIP ads and they made me wanna retch violently.
I personally believe its about time a Superstate governing the world was in place but thats just me However if I was asked tomorrow to give up my citizenship and become an EU citizen only,I'd do it.I've had enough of petty national politics and I dont think they are for the good of the people in the countries.
Also if the England(Would the Scotish parliment and the stormont have a say?) did leave the EU I would hope no special trade agreement(Such as the one with Norway) be put in place.It may cost us monatarily however they would be traitors to the Union and should be treated as such.

lol, Stormont having a say...

(not getting at you there, just the politicians)

 

[Gunner]

Being a huge England fan, there's no way im bowing down to the Portuguese... the Swiss on the other hand, highly skilled, thoughtful, intelligent and a people of Great Vision :|
No Euro, No United States of Europe.... c'mon, it wont work, for a start the French are in it, and everyone knows what trouble that start.

Wow... You need some education, you obviously have no clue on Europe's history and how the EU works.

If it wasn't for the UK in the EU, the whole thing would collapse.

And that has got to be the dumbest thing I've read all day.

 

[Sprafa]

Case in point, CAP or the Common Agricultural Policy. It doesn't help the farmers increases their stress and is the cause of a larger suicide rate in farmers.

Larger suicide rate? Damn, that is weird. An EU policy causes a large suicide rate in farmers. Can you explain that ?

 

[Sprafa]

Hooray for more organized exploitation of Eastern Europe.

Best of luck to you guys.. but I hope you don't get swept up in that nationalist (continentalist, lol?) propaganda. Say whatever you want about it, but it's the exact same emotion that's running high in the US atm.

lol

Sure, we have EU flags sticking out of our ass, just like in the U.S.A.

And exploitation of Eastern Europe ? They are the winners with all this, most companies can now leave the West countries and move to the East, where they pay less for the workforce and are still in the EU.

 

[Recoil]

most companies can now leave the West countries and move to the East, where they pay less for the workforce and are still in the EU.

I'm not sure if that's so much of a good thing, seriously.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Wow... You need some education, you obviously have no clue on Europe's history and how the EU works.



And that has got to be the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Perhaps the EU wouldn't collapse but Britain contributes a lot. Pulling out would affect it quite a considerable amount. If we fully moved into it, we could deffinately have a big say because although Britain doesn't have its empire anymore(And people view the country are relatively small and insignificant), we still have a big sway in the world. After all we still have one of the most productive economies.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

The anti Europeanism in this thread makes me wana cry/shout/bash something in all at the same time...



For gods sakes. Please try to understand you lot...

Its all well and good saying "Skrew Europe, I want complete control over this country"


But my god...

If we went out of Europe entirely Britain would be so bloody skrewed. Our business would go down the pan. Our control over anything in Europe would disapear.


Our ecconomy would take a major hit. And its such a shame because our ecconomy is doing so very well at the moment. I really wouldnt like to see it get ****ed over by the UK indipendance party....


I mean ffs! WHO VOTES FOR THOSE IDIOTS! They are just people seeking power. They have made no good suggestions about ANYTHING. The only thing that concerns them is that they want out of Europe. Which is bad enough as it is.




/me goes of ranting to random people on other forums....

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

A lot of the problems that people have with Europe are just misunderstandings and ignorance (No its not their fault, it can be difficult to find out just what goes on in brussels). I personally don't want Britian to enter fully into Europe because quite frankly it just looks corrupt, even more so than Britains politicians.

 

[Sprafa]

btw, UK's & Spain's economy boost are largely due to the EU.

So, really, please, walk out.

 

[Eejit]

btw, UK's & Spain's economy boost are largely due to the EU.

So, really, please, walk out.

Yeah, Ireland's too.

 

[Venmoch]

Larger suicide rate? Damn, that is weird. An EU policy causes a large suicide rate in farmers. Can you explain that ?

Well the CAP didn't work with many of the UK Farmers. The then created Rotas that had to be slupplied and if you produced too little or too much you were fined. Also the CAP required a large amount of form filling and other things (That and the CAP is one of the hardest things to understand). All this stuff imposed by the CAP lead to a large increase in stress in farmers and a large reduction in any form of profits making farming exceptionally hard for many farmers. Many of them jumped ship and stopped farming while others ended up ranking huge depts up and then committed suicide as it seemed toi be the only way out of their massive dept.

The problem that the EU has is that it trys to plant one type of policy on the whole EU rather than tailor-making the plans to the Country. This is its main failing...

 

[Z|insane]

What does the Commission _DO_?

 

[Sprafa]

What does the Commission _DO_?

Not sure :burp:


From now on they shall decide the foreign policy and economical future of the EU. or something like that.