Barbara Bush's Horrible Remarks

[DreadLord]

I'm with Feath and THC on this one. Feath made a completely true statement, American media is biased, all of it. He did have a tone, that clearly showed his (or more likely the station's) view on the subject. They've both proven you wrong here, and all you say is "bullshit from the right" and strut around like you're correct every time you open your mouth. I've seen you proven wrong time and time again, but you just keep talking like it doesn't affect you because you're always right.

 

[No Limit]

I'm with Feath and THC on this one. Feath made a completely true statement, American media is biased, all of it. He did have a tone, that clearly showed his (or more likely the station's) view on the subject. They've both proven you wrong here, and all you say is "bullshit from the right" and strut around like you're correct every time you open your mouth. I've seen you proven wrong time and time again, but you just keep talking like it doesn't affect you because you're always right.

I don't think you read anything I posted. Bullshit from the right was aimed at his comment that we are blaming Bush for the hurricane and I made my point about media "bias" which he did not respond to. Maybe you care to respond to it if you disagree?

 

[clarky003]

ffs this is ridiculous, there clearly biased, left and right. no one can ever have a non biased opinion, unless your a complete robot. Both left and right, who gives a shit.. at the end of the day the truth is what it is.. and people who compete in left and right political confrontation are a bunch of egotistical nonces. Left and right get it through your heads, no one gives a shite, just do the right thing.. too much arguing not enough doing. You all sound like you should be running for government.. and I dont mean that in a good way.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Are all these people going to be reimbursed for the property they've lost?

 

[No Limit]

Are all these people going to be reimbursed for the property they've lost?

Good question. I think they will only get money if they were insured, I'm not sure. Thousands of people lost everything they had in this, this is terrible and it is not a good thing in anyway you look at it, even if you are poor.

 

[DreadLord]

Maybe you care to respond to it if you disagree?

What would you like me to respond to? This?

I understood perfectly. You said Keith Olberman shouldn't have been outraged at the remarks when the remarks were clearly outregeous. I said doing that is nothing more than media pandering to a political party and it needs to stop. What part did I not understand?

You're basically agreeing with him. The political bias on the media is exactly what he said needs to stop, and that's all he said, there is no agrument here, so obviously he didn't respond to it.

 

[No Limit]

What would you like me to respond to? This?



You're basically agreeing with him. The political bias on the media is exactly what he said needs to stop, and that's all he said, there is no agrument here, so obviously he didn't respond to it.

What I said is when you say Keith Olberman shouldn't have a tone when what the person said is clearly wrong it is nothing more than party pandering. What I mean by this is the media wont report fully on something until both parties have their talking points out so they seem fair and balanced (most times they dont fact check these talking points). In the case of the downing street memo the media simply did not report on it because the Republicans couldn't refute it.

So when you say the media shouldn't criticise Bush when he clearly deserves it you are again saying they should apply this party pandering.

 

[DreadLord]

But as was said it's still opinion whether her statement was wrong or not. If what she said was meant to come out that way she would have rephrased it. It wasn't well said and it sounded jumbled, as far as I'm concerned that's not what she meant to say. It's up to you whether you think the statement is wrong or not, whether or not political views influence your decision doesn't matter. The problem at hand is that her words can be taken several ways, and the media should not feel the need to drill it into our heads that she said something terrible, when it could have easily just been taken the wrong way. The media can be outraged and show their opinions of disgust on topics like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina (the devestation, not how it is handled after), etc.. Where the view is clear everywhere in the US that it was a terrible thing. The media should NOT however, try to make it clear that something that is said is wrong, when it's quite disputable.

 

[Sulkdodds]

The NEWS media shouldn't criticise Bush, even if he does deserve it. They should be completely impartial, or as close to completely as possible.

About replacement of property - since it's mainly poor people, would they have insurance? If not, what the hell are they going to do now?

 

[No Limit]

But as was said it's still opinion whether her statement was wrong or not. If what she said was meant to come out that way she would have rephrased it. It wasn't well said and it sounded jumbled, as far as I'm concerned that's not what she meant to say. It's up to you whether you think the statement is wrong or not, whether or not political views influence your decision doesn't matter. The problem at hand is that her words can be taken several ways, and the media should not feel the need to drill it into our heads that she said something terrible, when it could have easily just been taken the wrong way. The media can be outraged and show their opinions of disgust on topics like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina (the devestation, not how it is handled after), etc.. Where the view is clear everywhere in the US that it was a terrible thing. The media should NOT however, try to make it clear that something that is said is wrong, when it's quite disputable.

I agree, the media should not hold an opinion. That would be the perfect world. But when Keith Olberman is on he gets 300,000 viewers, at the same time slot O'reilly who lies and misinforms on a daily basis has about 3 million viewers. I am more worried about the latter.

 

[Teh_Poet]

She didn't say anything horrible. Most of the people there were unpriviliged. And it is working out for most of them.


I think it's sick at how many people are pointing the finger claiming others to be racist. Why should they expect any support at all in New Orleans? They were all ordered to evacuate, if they had listened they wouldn't be in this situation.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

So if you had to leave your home, even if your home was just a $400 /month apartment, leave all your stuff behind including your pets, get relocated to another state you never stepped foot in, and lose your job you would be okay with her saying this will work out good for you as you were poor anyway?

Actually, essentially that's what my aunt has said. They've lost everything they did have, but they were pretty poor folks, they get a chance to start anew here, a lot of people think really that Kingman sucks.. but if you're looking for work it's pretty damn good, there's a lot of jobs and it's not a dead end place or anything. Most people come, work up, and leave because there's lots of chances to earn up savings and they want to move to the big cities.

That's not to say it isn't very sad what's happened and such, but this is going to actually help a lot of those people in the poverty situations. Trying to pull out racial undertones or saying she said something horribly outrageous is just plain dumb. It's just a remark that's true for a lot of people, it just stings/hurts to be seeing that because of that fact that they have so recently lost everything.

 

[T.H.C.138]

Your talking point was that we blame the hurricane on Bush. This is just more bullshit from the right to try and diffuse the criticism. Sorry if you don't have a basic understanding of that, I can't really help you there.

actually I should have been more clear on what my point was..

more attention is being paid to Bush,etc. and barely any is being pointed at the incompetency of people in general..

no one really talks about the assholes shooting the cops/rescue workers,raping /molesting,etc..

you know the ones making it harder than it already is

but "oh! look at what bush's mommy said!!" gets talked all up and down the damn street..

nobody talks about what to do,just blames the "right" or some other person/group..

my comments about my girls ethnicity and such were stated so as to stop the cry of racist,nazi,etc. before they started


and Sulkdodds that would be a wondrous thing (your statement not the question!)...

imagine, forcing people to think for themselves instead of believing Rush Limburger or whoever the hell...

too bad it is unlikely to happen

 

[Kebean PFC]

Too much attention is being paid to Bush and his family. No one cares that the reason many in New Orleans are trapped there is becuase of thier own neighboors shooting at rescue helicopters and ambulances?

Who gives a shit what an old lady said on TV. Get over it, move on.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Why should they expect any support at all in New Orleans? They were all ordered to evacuate, if they had listened they wouldn't be in this situation.

Yeah. They were ordered to evacuate, but whoever ordered that seemed to assume that they all had cars. After all, this is America, right? Who doesn't have a car? Apparently it didn't occur to them that the people most in need of saving had utterly no means of getting out - the eldery, sick and disabled as well as just the poor.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Yeah. They were ordered to evacuate, but whoever ordered that seemed to assume that they all had cars. After all, this is America, right? Who doesn't have a car? Apparently it didn't occur to them that the people most in need of saving had utterly no means of getting out - the eldery, sick and disabled as well as just the poor.

Exactly.

All mass transit in the city and any private ones that could be donated/comandeered were to be used for an evacuation (in the evacuation charter of 2000.) However the Mayor never ordered them to go get people. But I doubt they expected what was going to happen, so I'm not angry at him or anything like that .

 

[Teh_Poet]

Yeah. They were ordered to evacuate, but whoever ordered that seemed to assume that they all had cars. After all, this is America, right? Who doesn't have a car? Apparently it didn't occur to them that the people most in need of saving had utterly no means of getting out - the eldery, sick and disabled as well as just the poor.

Actually, there were hundreds of buses w/o fares that were sent to New Orleans. People just decided to stay at their house. I understand the disabled, but the poor could have gotten out.

And its not just the disabled and poor that are there, its also the stubborn.

 

[bliink]

This has gotten too far off topic (Barbara Bush??)

No Limit, you are to take more care in making your topics. I'm sick of seeing threads in here that dont seem to discuss anything that is of great significance, they all seem to be antagonistic or hostile in their design. If you don't stop, I will make you stop.