Barney - Combine connection

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If this has already been posted forgive me!!
I noticed barney is wearing the same suit/armour as the combine soldiers in the barricade vid, everything is the same except barney is not wearing the mask. This makes me think that he was formerlly on the opposite side and has revolted against them due to some reason??

Another thing i wanna point out is that the combine soldiers with white masks, if my theory is correct about barney wearing exactly the same stuff, have a city-17 label tied around their arm but do not have a combine logo on them, soldiers with black masks do however - this makes me think that the soldiers with black masks are a power above the white masked city-17 police. I havent yet seen the two fight side by side, in video's or screenshots (correct me if im wrong) so i cant even be sure if they are on the same side ???
 
Firstly, the Barney in a Combine suit has been mentioned many times before, and no conclusion was made. I personally think he's been undercover.

Secondly, I don't think the white and black masked Combines would be fighting against each other, I mean, they utilize the same gas masks and similar clothes, they've got to be on the same side. There are a few theories of why they're different though:

As you say, the black masked Combine have rank over the white masked. The black masked tend to have better weaponry (In Tunnels, we saw him have an OICW, while the white-masked had just pistols and SMG's).

Secondly, the white masked may be alien, and the black masked may be human, their forces are a combine. I've only heard the black masked talk english (Tunnels, Traptown), and I've yet to hear the white masked say something proper in English.
 
Originally posted by Abom|nation
Firstly, the Barney in a Combine suit has been mentioned many times before, and no conclusion was made. I personally think he's been undercover.

Secondly, I don't think the white and black masked Combines would be fighting against each other, I mean, they utilize the same gas masks and similar clothes, they've got to be on the same side.
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you just totally contradicted yourself. First you say that even though Barney wears the same clothes as the combine, he was never on their side. Then you say that the two combine groups must be on the same side because they wear the same clothes.
 
Originally posted by synth
you just totally contradicted yourself. First you say that even though Barney wears the same clothes as the combine, he was never on their side. Then you say that the two combine groups must be on the same side because they wear the same clothes.
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What? I said that Barney may have been undercover as a Combine, to find out what they're up to... then mention that the black and white masked Combine are on the same side. There's nothing that contradicts itself there.
 
Wonder what happens if a white masked combine steals a dark mask?

Anyway, its not impossible that barney once fought with the combine... But that depends on what they really are.
Fun note: If barney did go undercover, the combine have to be humans (or close enough). Even aliens wouldnt be stupid enough to let a human in disguise close, they would spot the not instantly. Though logic is not always present in the HL world :p

Btw, black and white WILL fight! In my mod at least :)
 
barney is a security guard and combine are soldiers so he don t wear a mask and in hl 1 all the people want scientist and security guards it s to get out black mesa.
 
Originally posted by ulukai
barney is a security guard and combine are soldiers so he don t wear a mask and in hl 1 all the people want scientist and security guards it s to get out black mesa.
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No, he WAS a security guard. And people obviously DIDNT want scientists and guards to get out of black mesa :)
 
Originally posted by Abom|nation
Firstly, the Barney in a Combine suit has been mentioned many times before, and no conclusion was made. I personally think he's been undercover.

Originally posted by Abom|nation
Firstly, the Barney in a Combine suit has been mentioned many times before, and no conclusion was made. I personally think he's been undercover.
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hmmmmmm i can imagine that as a mission - gordon helping barney infiltrate the prison to help the prisoners esacape.

I don't think the white and black masked Combines would be fighting against each other, I mean, they utilize the same gas masks and similar clothes, they've got to be on the same side.
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Only significant differance is one has (what is said to be) the mark of the combine.
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i think that this has been said before, but what the heck!!
. what if barney once worked with the combine thinking that they were "nice" people. i mean, barney WAS at black mesa, and like gordon, he is problably trying to save the world. but if the combine are trying to kill gordon, barney would problably leave them once he found out about this..

sorry if this is confusing, but i did my best..
 
Originally posted by G-Man
hmmmmmm i can imagine that as a mission - gordon helping barney infiltrate the prison to help the prisoners esacape.



Only significant differance is one has (what is said to be) the mark of the combine.
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The black masked have the combine sign, yes, yet the white masked have the 'C17' markings on their arm- which could lead us back to thinking that the blacked masked are the military figures, yet the white masked are just the police force.
 
what if barney was in the police before all this happened??
 
Originally posted by Abom|nation
yet the white masked are just the police force.
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I believe they've been referred to as Metrocops. Why would the local police force be in league with The Combine which is, as far as we know, an invasionary force?

Nice point Tarkus!!
 
Originally posted by El_Chi
I believe they've been referred to as Metrocops. Why would the local police force be in league with The Combine which is, as far as we know, an invasionary force?

Nice point Tarkus!!
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We don't, which is why we'll find out when we get the game. For now, anything's a possibility. Maybe City 17's gone under martial law, and the Combine are running it now.
 
by the look of things, looks like martian law to me!!:cheese:
 
I believe they've been referred to as Metrocops. Why would the local police force be in league with The Combine which is, as far as we know, an invasionary force?
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No one has come to a conclusion what the combine is... And even if they did it could still be false :)
But the police/military thing makes much sense, and that barney could have been a cop.
Raises the question why they look so similar though. Its unlikely they would have the same gas masks... Which raises the question of why are the police wearing gas masks at all? Barney isnt, so it isnt something in the air... Unless they think so... Considering the real aliens... Btw, the police, if the military was called in to keep order, would obviously help them.

Edit: damn the newsmonkey beat me to it :p
 
remember, in one of the early shots it appears as gordon is fighting along side one of the BLACK maskers shooting an ant lion.
 
Originally posted by dawdler


Edit: damn the newsmonkey beat me to it :p
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Nyahh :p

subs: yeah, true, but that may have just been for the sake of a screenshot, I mean, the level hadn't even been finished yet.
 
The Combine are obviously enforcing martial law over the world. The uniforms on civilians like in Communist countries, the heavy handed police force (we've all seen shots of combine guards searching civilians). Perhaps City 17 was enslaved before they started eating it with the citadel.

My take - after Black Mesa the aliens form some kind of allegiance with the government (under the G-man) and start taking over the planet. The Combine have also taken over other planets (hence the aliens on Gordons side, fighting the Combine).

The Combine have taken over most of the world and the last enclave of humans are in eastern Europe. This is where Gordon takes part in a last-ditch attempt to take down the Combine and stop the destruction of human kind. Some civilians have taken up arms and along with a few diehards from black mesa (Kliener, Barney, Gordon) they have formed a kind of underground band of freedom fighters.
 
Originally posted by Tarkus
i think that this has been said before, but what the heck!!
. what if barney once worked with the combine thinking that they were "nice" people. i mean, barney WAS at black mesa, and like gordon, he is problably trying to save the world. but if the combine are trying to kill gordon, barney would problably leave them once he found out about this..

sorry if this is confusing, but i did my best..
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Barney doesn't know that Gordon is the good guy. As far as we know he might be mis-informed like the others that Gordon actually caused the "incident".
 
Something just occured to me:

Maybe the G-man set off the mesa incident to trick Earth into attacking the aliens in Xen?

Maybe he was in league with the Combine at the start of HL1?

That would explain why the alien slaves are friends in HL2. After the destruction of thier home planet they joined the fight against the Combine, which had tricked Erath into destroying thier home.

What would happen in HL3? Well the fight in City 17 could be partial success, and Gordon could take part in other incidents of fighting the Combine on Earth or other planets.
 
Out of curiousity, what started the idea that xen aliens where friends? Gordon kills them all :)
 
I thought in the first HL there was no individual barney, but that was the generic name for all the security guards you encounter (Barney's).
 
what started the idea that xen aliens where friends? Gordon kills them all
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An article in PC Zone UK where Gabe Newell is quoted as saying the alien slaves for HL1 are friends.
 
does that mean that ALL of the aliens in Xen (except for the slaves) are enemies of each other??? wow, what a god forsaken planet..:eek:
 
yeah, there certainley were a lot of barneys in half-life1!! lol
 
Tarkus: I think that all of the Xen aliens (not including the Vortigons a.k.a. slaves) are in the same league, kind of like the Covenant in Halo. The Vortigons are likely another Xen species that isn't in league with the others, but had been enslaved. The slaves had those golden neckbands and wristbands in HL1, which were probably used to control the vortigons, and in HL2 the freed Vortigons will have gotten rid of the bands. Gabe has personally stated that the Vortigons are now on your side, and it has been written in many PC game magazines.

Now about Barney... DrEvil, you bring up a good point. Barney was probably misinformed about Gordon's mishap, but never got around to "talking" about it face-to-face. Then when the Combine arrive, they could have taken humans and given those chosen humans a choice: to either voluntarily join the Combine forces, or be enslaved by the Combine. Barney may have taken the first choice to keep his self-conciousness, and starts fighting with the combine. Then when he (somehow) finds out that Gordon didn't cause the Black Mesa accident on purpose, he starts working undercover against the combine to fight against them.
 
the bands in the slaves, vortigons, whatever, were actually green.. just wanted to clear that up
 
Gold, green, same difference :) I'm slightly colourblind, so it's hard for me to tell the diff between some greens and browns, diff between blues and purples, and between light greens and yellows. It sucks (I can't be a police officer or a pilot of anything :(), but hey. It's not THAT bad...
 
On a side-track here: I've always wondered what it must be like being color-blind. Of course, doctors say: 'you can't see the diff between that color and this color'. Period. But to you, everything looks normal, because you're used to it. Or am I totally wrong on this one?

Also, I've known a girl that was totally color-blind. It's very very rare, but it does exist. She sees eveything in grey ranging from pure black to pure white. Even harder to imagine what that must be like.

Also Stigmata, good calls on the Barney-Combine connection.
 
i stick to my theory: barney was once with the police (after all he WAS a security guard in black mesa) and when the xenomorphs returned and the combine started attacking the police, he joined that kind of resistance were gordon, alyx and the 2 scientists, and went to the battle along with gordon!!!
 
Originally posted by Dagobert
An article in PC Zone UK where Gabe Newell is quoted as saying the alien slaves for HL1 are friends.
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So THATS why all the aliens are trying to kill him? Gee, guess we know why aliens dont make many friends...
 
Roach: you're completely right. Everything looks perfectly normal to me because I'm used to it. I suppose if I wasn't colorblind all the colors would look more vivid and brighter, but I don't care. Being colorblind is also good for the occasional laugh sometimes :)

Tarkus: Do you mean Barney was in the police force? Because then there's very little explanation as to how he got the Combine uniform. But if you mean he was part of the Combine until whatever, then you could probably be right.
 
I don't notice being colorblind until I do those spot tests. I normally miss a fourth of them. Other times I can clearly remeber something being light green, but when I look at it, it looks brown. After a while, the "greenness" comes back. Luckily I'm not colorblind enough to not be accepted in any working field, except maybe a bomb defuser :p

On Barney, I think he already knew that Gordon was on the good guys side, by the way he comments on Black Mesa, although he probably didn't know that the combine was bad.

You know, propaganda poster says "Join now, preserve the human species!!*", and below, in tiny tiny print "*in a zoo".
 
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