BattleStar Galactica (WARNING! SPOILARS!!!111)

I doubt they would kill off Starbuck...

SHE'S STILL ALIVE DAMNIT
 
Thunderclap said:
I look forward to seeing her again as one of the final five
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Fixed.

Also don't forget guys, what was one of the last things you saw her do? She gripped the eject lever in the viper. She may not have bought it.







But she probably did. Final five.
 
Darkside55 said:
Fixed.

Also don't forget guys, what was one of the last things you saw her do? She gripped the eject lever in the viper. She may not have bought it.







But she probably did. Final five.
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But; She took her hand off the lever. I took it to be symbolic of her finally "letting go" so to speak.
 
Yeah, I considered that too, just not in the metaphorical sense. (Removing her hand and going through with it)

Barring some kind of deus ex machina I'm sure she died there. She seemed to see the same light Number Three did before her ship exploded.
 
Thunderclap said:
If you have any suggestions to make spoilers harder to read, by all means, make them!
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First, petition moderator to put "SPOILERS DISCUSSED IN HERE" in the thread title. Yes, it may be reasonable to suspect spoilers will be present in a thread about the series, but without such a specific warning I personally wouldn't expect (and didn't, or foolishly didn't think about the possibility of) such bastardy ones.

Spoiler post:

Holy shit, I was so surprised when

SPOILER (highlight below to read)

***Gennaro got eaten!***
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Alternatively, write the spoiler in ROT-13.

Okay, being serious, that's going to get really awkward - but without working spoiler tags (and those used to be great; they even hid the spoilers in thread reply alert emails, which is how this one got me) the only solution is to at least try and get a spoiler alert in the thread title so the half-way-through-series-2 people don't unwittingly enter! D:
 
I see why some of you like this Series now,it's a bunch of anti american/anti war BS.
 
I've decided to begin watching this, but season 1 episode 1 starts with "previously on Battlestar...", and a bit at the beginning is an asian chick saying "we can take 3 more people" and some guy gives up his seat.

Am I missing a pilot episode or something?
 
StardogChampion said:
I've decided to begin watching this, but season 1 episode 1 starts with "previously on Battlestar...", and a bit at the beginning is an asian chick saying "we can take 3 more people" and some guy gives up his seat.

Am I missing a pilot episode or something?
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yes there was a miniseries before the first episode.
 
not sure for everyone here but on the channel I saw it on it was a two parter (three hours all together)
 
Holy motherf*ck that was a good episode!

I knew those 4 were 4 of the final 5 the moment they all heard that music. Then I thought it seemed too obvious but I couldn't think of any other reason for them to hear it.

I really liked the guitar part in their version of All Along the Watchtower.

Also, that song being in the show could imply there's a link between the final 5 and Earth.

I also figured from the moment she "died" that Starbuck would be coming back in some way to fulfill her religious role in the whole show.

Damn it's gonna be way too long of a wait.

EDIT: Also, we have another half-cylon baby on our hands if/since Tyrol is a cylon. :O

EDIT2: Now we know why the now deactivated cylon chick said, "I'm sorry" when she saw the face of one of the five. She was apologizing to Col. Tigh.
 
I'm going to remain skeptical on if those were really four of the final five. I dunno, the producers certainly picked people who were the least suspicious of being cylons, save for perhaps Tyrol. But Tigh? Man where'd that come from? That's a mindbender.

Knew it was Kara from the moment Lee's dredis blipped. Remains to be seen whether she's a "ghost" or if she was one of the five.

You know who I always assumed was one of the five was Gaeta. Especially in the last episode, the way he acted, and that look between him and Romo...but maybe I just see cylons everywhere. :LOL:

The song was awesome indeed. I'm surprised it's not up for download at Sci-Fi's site.

Sigh, 2008. Battlestar was the only thing I watched on TV anymore. Now I have an empty Sunday night. :(
 
Darkside55 said:
I'm going to remain skeptical on if those were really four of the final five. I dunno, the producers certainly picked people who were the least suspicious of being cylons, save for perhaps Tyrol. But Tigh? Man where'd that come from? That's a mindbender.

Knew it was Kara from the moment Lee's dredis blipped. Remains to be seen whether she's a "ghost" or if she was one of the five.

You know who I always assumed was one of the five was Gaeta. Especially in the last episode, the way he acted, and that look between him and Romo...but maybe I just see cylons everywhere. :LOL:

The song was awesome indeed. I'm surprised it's not up for download at Sci-Fi's site.

Sigh, 2008. Battlestar was the only thing I watched on TV anymore. Now I have an empty Sunday night. :(
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about those 4. It seemed too obvious so I'm reserving a little skepticism for it. I was thinking Gaeta would be a good Cylon because if you think about it, he's ALWAYS been RIGHT next to the people in power. He's close to the Admiral in the CIC and he was Baltar's right hand man on New Caprica.

Another thing I just noticed that I think is pretty low-key but very interesting. Look at Starbuck's Viper. It's squeaky clean with a perfect shiny finish whereas all the other Vipers are battle-hardened, scorched and beaten. I wonder if she got a Viper from Earth and maybe brought some backup :D

EDIT: Well, now that I think more about it, I think Starbuck is still dead. I think she came back as a spirit guide/angel to help guide Lee and the fleet to Earth which is also why her Viper looks brand new - she's not REALLY there.

Can't wait for the 2 hour thing they have coming this fall. Even though it's not going to resolve the cliffhanger, hopefully it will provide more clues and evidence towards predictions about season 4. And hell...it's some form of BSG to help make the 8 month gap easier.
 
Man, that was a great episode.

Lee pretty much owned the shit out of the court room.

It's going to be a loooooong wait for 2008... damn.
 
I will probably start watching this show. I've heard about it, seen a few scenes here and there. It looks great.
 
Ennui said:
Been meaning to watch it but never do. I've caught a few episodes on SciFi but I never really had any idea what was going on.
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x2
i'll rent season 1 on dvd someday i swear
 
I expected Starbuck to stay dead longer :\

awesome episode.

so it's not continuing until after January? I can't wait that long.

PS: great cover of all along the watchtower.
 
Brilliant episode, although was I the only one who wanted Lee, after Starback told him about Earth, to say: "Hey that's great baby, but now's not a good time. If you'll excuse me, I have four basestars to blow out of the fracking sky!"

And Lee's speech pwned hard. I cannot wait to 2008. I mean that. Christ...2008!? Oh well...
 
So I was listening to the Hendrix cover of All Along the Watchtower today, and I started wondering if there was more to the song being featured in Battlestar than just having a cool song for the season finale.

Did a little digging and found that Ron Moore (new series' creator) has been planning to use this song since December. From Bear McCreary's (series composer) blog:

I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters' universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics. Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source.
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As for the lyrics themselves, they could have some meaning. I might be digging a little too much into it, but it seems plausible if the song was intended. Things to consider:

The names of the characters in the song. Joker, thief, princess. There's also businessmen and plowmen. Baltar was talking about a dichotomy in their society, the aristocracy of people from places like Caprica to the working class from planets like Aerelon. Businessmen on the one side, and plowmen on the other.

The joker and the thief, those'd be members of the final five, but which ones I'm not exactly sure. What they say seems important though: "There must be some kind of way out of here; I can't get no relief," says the joker, to which the thief (kindly) replies, "There are many here among us who who feel that life is a joke. But you and I we've been through that, and this is not our fate. So let us talk falsely now; the hour's getting late."

Not too sure either what the joker's words might mean other than the obvious "confusion and relief" being from hearing the song, and also the commotion aboard Galactica. "There must be some kind of way out of here" could refer to the situation, the ship itself, or perhaps getting to Earth.

I'm thinking perhaps the first and second sentences of the thief's words are refering to the Cylons and how they go from body to body, but perhaps the final five don't; or they choose not to. Or perhaps it's just the fate of those particular copies (Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and Foster) not to die right now. "Let us talk falsely now" also probably refers to the fact that all of them decide to go on pretending they're human.

Final verse deals with the princess, who could possibly be Starbuck. "The princess kept the view"; Starbuck said she's been to Earth, and she's going to show them the way. She was also the one having visions of the mandala, something she'd seen since she was younger. This verse also talks about other women coming and barefoot servants going ("and went barefeet servants too"), the growl of a wild cat (no idea what that could mean), and finally two riders approaching, "as the wind began to howl." Who was it in the last two episodes that said a storm was coming? I can't recall, but someone was saying that to Gaeta. The two riders could be a lot of different people or groups of people: the Cylons and the final five, the Cylons and the remaining humans approaching Earth, Kara and Lee...lots of different people.

The princess, btw, might not even be Starbuck. It's the likeliest answer but it could easily be someone else; one of the Cylons, perhaps.

Thoughts?
 
I read an interesting hypothesis on how the Cylons developed on the Sci Fi Board. The suggestion was that twelve advanced AI units were built to control the other (non-sentient) Cylons. It was the twelve AIs that rebelled. However, the AIs disagreed on what to do with humanity: destroy them or work to live in peace with them. Seven voted to destroy them and unleashed the First Cylon War, whilst the other five wanted to live peacefully alongside humanity, and they split apart.

During the war these AIs were still mechanical beings (brain-Cylons for lack of a better term, although hopefully not with see-through heads and glowing brains) and took on their 'skinjob' forms after the war. This is why the Seven do not know much about the Five: they don't know what they look like (as it was before they developed the skinjob technique), where they are or what they are doing. It does, however, put them firmly on opposing sides.

I think it's an interesting idea, although RDM's comments suggest that Tigh did fight in the First Cylon War and predated it. The hypothesis requires Tigh not to have fought in the war and had implanted memories of it. However, a posible explanation for this is the severity of the First Cylon War not being made clear in the series. The two sides fought one another to an absolute standstill. The losses on both sides were tremendous, tremendous enough for the Colonies to build a fleet of one hundred and twenty Battlestars and keep it running for forty years after the war ended.

I'd guess that several of the Colonies may have been attacked in the war, possibly with nukes ('minor' damage only, at least compared to the later Attack). The result: total anarchy and the loss of vast amounts of computer information (information that would be unreliable anyway due to the Cylon AI viruses). It would be relatively easy to insert a background for Tigh against this backdrop.

So, whilst it's possible to lean towards the Final Five still not predating the development of the Cylons, equally it's possible that the Final Five are much older and tie directly into the mythology/religion angle, which in turn I think relates to the Cylon god/HeadBaltar/HeadSix side of things. Interestingly, it looks like after managing to step around this for a while, BSG may be forced to directly confront the more esoteric/bizarre side of its storyline next season.
 
What I want to know is who the fifth cylon is. The four have already been revealed, but does anybody have bets on the fifth. I'm going for Dr Cottle
 
Darkside55 said:
So I was listening to the Hendrix cover of All Along the Watchtower today, and I started wondering if there was more to the song being featured in Battlestar than just having a cool song for the season finale.

Did a little digging and found that Ron Moore (new series' creator) has been planning to use this song since December. From Bear McCreary's (series composer) blog:



As for the lyrics themselves, they could have some meaning. I might be digging a little too much into it, but it seems plausible if the song was intended. Things to consider:

The names of the characters in the song. Joker, thief, princess. There's also businessmen and plowmen. Baltar was talking about a dichotomy in their society, the aristocracy of people from places like Caprica to the working class from planets like Aerelon. Businessmen on the one side, and plowmen on the other.

The joker and the thief, those'd be members of the final five, but which ones I'm not exactly sure. What they say seems important though: "There must be some kind of way out of here; I can't get no relief," says the joker, to which the thief (kindly) replies, "There are many here among us who who feel that life is a joke. But you and I we've been through that, and this is not our fate. So let us talk falsely now; the hour's getting late."

Not too sure either what the joker's words might mean other than the obvious "confusion and relief" being from hearing the song, and also the commotion aboard Galactica. "There must be some kind of way out of here" could refer to the situation, the ship itself, or perhaps getting to Earth.

I'm thinking perhaps the first and second sentences of the thief's words are refering to the Cylons and how they go from body to body, but perhaps the final five don't; or they choose not to. Or perhaps it's just the fate of those particular copies (Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and Foster) not to die right now. "Let us talk falsely now" also probably refers to the fact that all of them decide to go on pretending they're human.

Final verse deals with the princess, who could possibly be Starbuck. "The princess kept the view"; Starbuck said she's been to Earth, and she's going to show them the way. She was also the one having visions of the mandala, something she'd seen since she was younger. This verse also talks about other women coming and barefoot servants going ("and went barefeet servants too"), the growl of a wild cat (no idea what that could mean), and finally two riders approaching, "as the wind began to howl." Who was it in the last two episodes that said a storm was coming? I can't recall, but someone was saying that to Gaeta. The two riders could be a lot of different people or groups of people: the Cylons and the final five, the Cylons and the remaining humans approaching Earth, Kara and Lee...lots of different people.

The princess, btw, might not even be Starbuck. It's the likeliest answer but it could easily be someone else; one of the Cylons, perhaps.

Thoughts?
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Bob Dylan wrote that song long before battlestar galatica existed.
 
I've been watching this series online, and it's a good show. However there are some things that annoy me. For instance this is a civilisation that developed for thousands of years independently without any contact with Earth, so how the **** do the dudes on Caprika have almost everything like on Earth. Same clothes, same weapons, cars etc. WTF?

Also they're advanced enough to have massive battleships in space but they don't have any advanced weapons, just boring old machine guns, missiles nukes etc. Also I found it hilarious that the fleet didn't have something as necessary as a stealth fighter, but the engineer and a few mates managed to build one from scratch.
 
Remus said:
I've been watching this series online, and it's a good show. However there are some things that annoy me. For instance this is a civilisation that developed for thousands of years independently without any contact with Earth, so how the **** do the dudes on Caprika have almost everything like on Earth. Same clothes, same weapons, cars etc. WTF?

Also they're advanced enough to have massive battleships in space but they don't have any advanced weapons, just boring old machine guns, missiles nukes etc. Also I found it hilarious that the fleet didn't have something as necessary as a stealth fighter, but the engineer and a few mates managed to build one from scratch.
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That's what I like about battlestar Galatica, it's got an edge of realism to it. It's gritty, it's real, not flashy with stupid lasers.

If we ever do build spaceships, they will be like the battlestar galatica.
 
Solaris said:
If we ever do build spaceships, they will be like the battlestar galatica.
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Except when we finally have our own battlestars they will have: rail guns, point defense lasers(who needs stupid force fields when you have these), EM beam weapons(which exist even today), self repairing outer hull, invisible Nukes(which can't be detected with anything in the electromagnetic spectrum) and many other things. My point is simply this: reality will far surpass even our wildest and strangest visions of the future.
 
I'm just hoping that when they find Earth, most questions will be answered.

I reckon the Cylon vessels in the ionian nebula are controlled by Commander Tigh :D
 
ok i didnt read through this thread because it said 'spoilars' (i'll take a wild guess, that means spoilers). so i heard there were a couple of episodes before the first season? are they essential to the plot? i've seen the first season and the second one is on tv now. Should I try to dl the prequels?
 
Hullu said:
ok i didnt read through this thread because it said 'spoilars' (i'll take a wild guess, that means spoilers). so i heard there were a couple of episodes before the first season? are they essential to the plot? i've seen the first season and the second one is on tv now. Should I try to dl the prequels?
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Definitely.

I'm surprised you managed to watch the first season without bitching about plot holes.
 
What ever happened to Foxy? He appeared in two-three episodes then disappeared. After Boomer rescued an officers son I thought he would become the ships mascot or something ;)
 
I've never really watched Battlestar Galactica much.....in my opinion there's too many women for your average sci-fi and i hate the way they all constantly say the word "frack"......that really annoys me

But apparently it's meant to be really good so i may give it another try once Virgin Media get Sky One back on TV
 
Remus said:
Except when we finally have our own battlestars they will have: rail guns, point defense lasers(who needs stupid force fields when you have these), EM beam weapons(which exist even today), self repairing outer hull, invisible Nukes(which can't be detected with anything in the electromagnetic spectrum) and many other things. My point is simply this: reality will far surpass even our wildest and strangest visions of the future.
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Why have invisible nukes, when you can have FTL nukes, that jumps into the nearest basestar and blows it up from the inside-out :p
 
Mr Scott said:
I've never really watched Battlestar Galactica much.....in my opinion there's too many women for your average sci-fi and i hate the way they all constantly say the word "frack"......that really annoys me

But apparently it's meant to be really good so i may give it another try once Virgin Media get Sky One back on TV
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They're the last remaining human beings in existence, so it's got to be a very stressful life being on the run from another race hellbent on humanity's destruction all the time.

I'm sure that if you were in their shoes that you'd be swearing constantly too. :p
 
Mr Scott said:
But apparently it's meant to be really good so i may give it another try once Virgin Media get Sky One back on TV
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Not a chance in hell ;(

Yes I'm with Virgin Media too

BTW, are they the last remaining humans in existence, I'm sure there may be some living on Earth
 
DEATH eVADER said:
BTW, are they the last remaining humans in existence, I'm sure there may be some living on Earth
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You probably haven't seen the original series. In that series they finaly find Earth and the people on Earth are well us right now in the present. First reaction: *WTF? aliens that look like us and speak English.... Star Trek was right!!*:cheese:
 
Remus said:
You probably haven't seen the original series. In that series they finaly find Earth and the people on Earth are well us right now in the present. First reaction: *WTF? aliens that look like us and speak English.... Star Trek was right!!*:cheese:
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It would be excellent if they were able to pull of the story in a way that would explain why they speak English and do most things that are so contemporary.
 
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