best gman/hl3 theory yet

[Barrbarian]

THIS IS NOT THE BEST GMAN THEORY YET! CAN'T YOU PEOPLE ON THE INTERWEBS TAKE A JOKE?
but i genuinely think it is plausible so please read and refute...

Hey guys. I've been lurking for a while so don't give me the noob treatment. This is my speculation as to the gman's nature and what will happen in half life 3...

Half life 2 ep 3 will end (i think) with the combine on earth being all but wiped out, probably thanks to some type of borealis tech. Furthermore, any chance of combine reinforcements arriving in the future will be nil due to their portal ineptitude. This leaves an earth covered in xen flora, inhabited by humans and vortigaunts...

So far the only beings in the game shown to have the power of the gman are the vorts...the simplest explanation for this is that the gman IS a vortigaunt of immense strength (rather than some random new type of alien) taking the form of a human. GMAN was a member/leader of the vortigaunt resistance, trying to free the race from the clutches of nihilanth and the controllers...he did so by setting the resonance cascade into motion.


with the vorts free and combine of earth defeated, you'd think they need a new home... xen is probably too unsafe and overcontested. earth is the perfect home now, given it is overrun with ant lions, and the vorts ancestral connection with them. i think the vorts 'taking control' over the gman in the ep1 intro was a hoax designed to throw EVERYBODY off the trail.

half life 3 will see humans (and maybe scattered combine remnants) vs VORTS and their ungodly antlion armies. mark my words. if this is the last post i make it's cos valve's MIBs have killed me.

 

[Van Kayne]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Valve have repeatedly stated that there are no plans to make HL3.

Furthermore, I have read better Gman/HL3 theories. I give your theory a score of 6 out of 100, where 100 is the highest and 0 is the lowest. The mode is about 25.

Your claim that it is the best theory yet has no logical basis.
Additionally, with regards to your speculation on the identity of the G-man, please provide references and check the internal consistency of your logic. I recommend laying out your argument in symbolic logic so we can test the veracity of the statement form.

I'm sure if you try long enough and choose enough different variations, you'll brute force your way to the correct identity and theory of the G-man. Don't let me stop you.

 

[Barrbarian]

attempted stealth troll is obvious.

it's speculation. theory-lifing if you will. i am the reference.

all i have done is applied occam's razor: simplest explanation is the best. vorts/gman have similar powers. valve could introduce some third party, or all the ingredients needed to figure it out could be there in front of us...

 

[kineaesth]

It's the thread title. This is not the best gman/hl2 theory yet.

 

[amaranth]

Ignore the ppl being rude, Barrbarian. It's an interesting theory. Since ep2 I've also thought Gman might be a vortigaunt. Usually a mystery in a fictional world can be solved with the clues we already have. But he could be something completely different.

Personally I'd rather Gman was something cooler than just a Vortigaunt...but if that turns out to be the case, whatever. He's still a badass.

 

[jet_porkins]

I'm not saying it's a retarded theory, but here are my thoughts:

1.) If GMan is a vort, how did he get to Earth in the first place, become the administrator of Black Mesa, and start the resonance cascade to bring the vorts to Earth?

2.) Gman, when talking about the Vortigaunts and their need for Alyx Vance, says "There was a point in time when they had no care for Ms. Vance, when their only contact with humanity was a crowbar down a steel corridor," or something to the effect.

I'm not sure if #2 proves anything, as it can be interpreted in different ways, but it sounds like the way he refers to the Voritgaunts shows that he's not really one of them.

Not to mention, he doesn't refer to Gordon as "The Freeman."

 

[Barnz]

Valve have repeatedly stated that there are no plans to make HL3.

What are you smoking? Half-Life series is a trilogy.

 

[Barrbarian]

1.) If GMan is a vort, how did he get to Earth in the first place, become the administrator of Black Mesa, and start the resonance cascade to bring the vorts to Earth?

2.) Gman, when talking about the Vortigaunts and their need for Alyx Vance, says "There was a point in time when they had no care for Ms. Vance, when their only contact with humanity was a crowbar down a steel corridor," or something to the effect.

I'm not sure if #2 proves anything, as it can be interpreted in different ways, but it sounds like the way he refers to the Voritgaunts shows that he's not really one of them.

Not to mention, he doesn't refer to Gordon as "The Freeman."

1) gman wasn't the black mesa administrator... i can only assume given his immense power/psychic ability or what have you he was able to detect early forays into xen relay teleportation made by humans, and saw this as an opportunity to potentially free his race. gman comes to earth, observes for a while, learns english the best he can, and starts whispering into the ears of black mesa research, pushing them in the right direction. eventually he gives them the magic crystal which causes the RC.


2) given the vorts seemingly have some type of 'hive mind', gman's talking about 'they' could easily include himself. associating himself with the vorts wouldn't really keep the intended illusion up.

what is a word gman seems to struggle with more than others? MISSTTTTTEER. this could imply the internal struggle he faces not to just say 'the freeman'

i'd say gman is possibly something along the lines of the vortigaunt 'queen' - he would have had a similar role to the nihilanth before his race was totally pwned.

it's obvious alyx has a huge role to play in the future of half life, they've built her up and we've spent a lot of time with her etc. i think they've done the same with the vorts. we keep finding out more about them, their culture, communication etc... i think they have a big role ahead of them. as radiator fodder.

i also think this would explain why the hell we haven't seen alien grunts since HL1. they were probably something along the lines of the 'warrior caste', and gman's got them waiting somewhere for the big facemelt to come.

please refute me muchly. but right now i'm thinking that ep3 will end with gordon putting the nail in the combine coffin. followed by gman saying 'thank you, misssster freeman', and vortigaunt hell being unleashed before the credits roll. preferably in the form of a big lightning bolt snapping alyx in the face.

 

[CombineHunter]

I'm not saying it's a retarded theory, but here are my thoughts:

1.) If GMan is a vort, how did he get to Earth in the first place, become the administrator of Black Mesa, and start the resonance cascade to bring the vorts to Earth?

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The Gman wasnt the administrator Breen was.

 

[Darkside55]

Half life 2 ep 3 will end (i think) with the combine on earth being all but wiped out, probably thanks to some type of borealis tech. Furthermore, any chance of combine reinforcements arriving in the future will be nil due to their portal ineptitude. This leaves an earth covered in xen flora, inhabited by humans and vortigaunts...

the simplest explanation for this is that the gman IS a vortigaunt

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Thats what i thought too!

 

[Barrbarian]

come on darkside play fair old chap...i don't think my theory is that far fetched.

we can agree gman is an alien. he could be some new type of alien locked in eternal battle with the combine... but i think that avenue is just too unoriginal. and if there was an entire race of gmen, surely they'd wreck the combine's ass. or humanity's ass, if that was their directive, without having to go through all the bother of setting hl 1 and 2's events in motion...

imo gman has to be a singular entity.

if my theory is correct, it would mean half life 3 stays on earth, which i think is likely, given valve's response to people who hated xen (not me). as much as i'd love a trip to the overworld to crowbar advisors x 9000 i just think it's implausible.

EVERYTHING gman has done (or gotten freeman to do) benefits the vortigaunts. absolutely everything. they've been freed from slavery, and set up on a nice shiny planet with lots of antlion essence to tap into. soon the only thing standing in their way will be puny earthlings, in the weakest state they've ever been. if he was on our side there sure as hell would not have been any RC. him being on the vort side is the only thing that could possibly explain all of his actions given what we know.

 

[SamuraiKenji]

Obvious troll is obvious and ****ING RETARDED

 

[Pyroxic]

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Omg! Stealthed trolls have infiltrated this forum!

 

[Holy Toaster]

What is up with all these theories? I thought we made a deal to stop theories once and for all?

 

[Barrbarian]

me no troll... me friend...

seriously. i GENUINELY think the theory is plausible. at least worthy of discussing. save your fire and acid arrow spells for the trolls in natalya's keep you douchebags!

 

[Druckles]

It's the thread title. This is not the best gman/hl2 theory yet.

I wouldn't know. When I realised he was stating it was his theroy that was the best I couldn't be bothered finishing it.

 

[altceva]

How about "prepare for unforseen consequences?". It is clear a second resonance cascade will take place...

 

[Barrbarian]

forgive the damn title already. my theroy is clearly not the best. i thought it might promote at least some kind of discussion : /

and van kayne - good to see they still teach high school statistics/philosophy in queensland. also, please tell me where the internal consistency fails.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Stop spamming and stay on the topic of the theory and no one will die

Gman being a vort is a theory, but not something I'd be inclined to ever believe. Vortigaunts possess a great deal of power and ability, but they don't have the ability to shape shift. If despite all their power they can't transform into things I'd be happy to disregard this.

It's possible to consider that Vortigaunts have the ability to plant ideas and visions in Gordon's mind in the format of the Gman, and use him as a puppet without letting on it's them. But yet again...farfetched.

Also, FYI we've had this confirmed by Valve, nothing is native to Xen. Vorts or ant lions. Both from other worlds. Xen is purely a border world things get 'stuck' on.

 

[Pyroxic]

How about "prepare for unforseen consequences?". It is clear a second resonance cascade will take place...

I think that was towards what happened at the end of Episode 2 considering that nobody seen that coming.

Anyways, I think it was confirmed that Vorts and Antlions are from the same planet as they said Antlion Extract was their ancestral practice or something, can't remember the line exactly.

 

[Xendance]

I think that was towards what happened at the end of Episode 2 considering that nobody seen that coming.

I'm sorry, I might sound like I am misunderstanding you, but did you not see Eli's death coming? I knew from when G-man whispered to her "prepare for unforseen consequences" and to tell that to her dad, I knew he would be killed.

 

[Pyroxic]

I'm sorry, I might sound like I am misunderstanding you, but did you not see Eli's death coming? I knew from when G-man whispered to her "prepare for unforseen consequences" and to tell that to her dad, I knew he would be killed.

Well unfortunately before I even got to play Episode 2 I had the ending spoiled for me, so I really couldn't think about it when I heard it so I automatically knew what it meant when he said that.

Though, yeah, I could assume that was going to happen, but it could have meant anything. It could have meant that Mossman was going to be killed, it could even have meant the Rocket was going launch unsuccessfully.

 

[Fiberawptic]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Valve have repeatedly stated that there are no plans to make HL3.

Doug Lombardi has said "Gordons adventure does not end with EP3, there will be more after that... hold on to your crowbars!" in an interview before.. Now he didnt say HL3, persay, but hopefully something... Then again he may be wrong and they may cut it short after EP3, which would make me really depressed.

 

[shotgun]

THIS IS NOT THE BEST GMAN THEORY YET! CAN'T YOU PEOPLE ON THE INTERWEBS TAKE A JOKE?
but i genuinely think it is plausible so please read and refute...

Hey guys. I've been lurking for a while so don't give me the noob treatment. This is my speculation as to the gman's nature and what will happen in half life 3...

Half life 2 ep 3 will end (i think) with the combine on earth being all but wiped out, probably thanks to some type of borealis tech. Furthermore, any chance of combine reinforcements arriving in the future will be nil due to their portal ineptitude. This leaves an earth covered in xen flora, inhabited by humans and vortigaunts...

So far the only beings in the game shown to have the power of the gman are the vorts...the simplest explanation for this is that the gman IS a vortigaunt of immense strength (rather than some random new type of alien) taking the form of a human. GMAN was a member/leader of the vortigaunt resistance, trying to free the race from the clutches of nihilanth and the controllers...he did so by setting the resonance cascade into motion.


with the vorts free and combine of earth defeated, you'd think they need a new home... xen is probably too unsafe and overcontested. earth is the perfect home now, given it is overrun with ant lions, and the vorts ancestral connection with them. i think the vorts 'taking control' over the gman in the ep1 intro was a hoax designed to throw EVERYBODY off the trail.

half life 3 will see humans (and maybe scattered combine remnants) vs VORTS and their ungodly antlion armies. mark my words. if this is the last post i make it's cos valve's MIBs have killed me.

Very interesting to say the least, to bad people like to be jackasses about it though. Not only is this pretty interesting theory, it makes sense. I wouldn't doubt if G-Man is a vortigaunt, even possibly the so to speak "leader" with his power (which to gordan freeman) to stop time and enter the mind of Freeman.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

It would only be a great theory to explain the start of ep1, but seriously. Vorts overthrowing people and Gman being the supreme vort? This sounds like a cheap b-movie plot. Antlions and Vorts allying? Oh, please. That doesn't mean anything that they are both from Xen. As you know, Xen is a interdimensional ghetto and species living there would be farly nice to each other. Bullsquids killing headcrabs, vorts killing antlions....You get the point, ok?

 

[shotgun]

Vorts have bug bait, of course they can ally with the antlions.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Know what? Gord-f*cking-on has a bug bait too :hmph:

 

[shotgun]

He did until the end of half-life 2.

 

[Barrbarian]

Antlions and Vorts allying? Oh, please. That doesn't mean anything that they are both from Xen. As you know, Xen is a interdimensional ghetto and species living there would be farly nice to each other. Bullsquids killing headcrabs, vorts killing antlions....You get the point, ok?

man did you play ep2 with the sound down or what?

according to the vort who accompanies you through the mines 'antlion husbandry was one of the vortigaunt's ancestral practices'

i'd this and the vort fondness for 'the exxxsstract' (not to mention the freaky deaky powers it gives them) implies some common heritage beyond the both of the simply being xen refugees.

 

[Pyroxic]

man did you play ep2 with the sound down or what?

according to the vort who accompanies you through the mines 'antlion husbandry was one of the vortigaunt's ancestral practices'

i'd this and the vort fondness for 'the exxxsstract' (not to mention the freaky deaky powers it gives them) implies some common heritage beyond the both of the simply being xen refugees.

First, just because Antlion Husbandry was their Ancestral practices doesn't mean they'll get a long.

Second, the Extract helps them do what they did with Alyx, it has special healing properties and such.

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So yeah, clearly the Antlion's are from the same planet/universe as the Vorts but they definitely are not allies.

Also, the Vorts don't HAVE bug bait, they extract it from Antlion Guards. If you paid attention to HL2 you'd see that.

 

[Darkside55]

I'm going to break down why your theory doesn't work. You can probably thank your picture of Ludo for getting me to post in here again. I do so love Labyrinth.

we can agree gman is an alien. he could be some new type of alien locked in eternal battle with the combine... but i think that avenue is just too unoriginal. and if there was an entire race of gmen, surely they'd wreck the combine's ass. or humanity's ass, if that was their directive, without having to go through all the bother of setting hl 1 and 2's events in motion...

imo gman has to be a singular entity.

There's nothing to suggest the G-man is of extraterrestrial origin. All we have to go on are a bunch of 'clues' that I believe will turn out to be red herrings.

If you think the G-man belonging to a race of ETs battling the Combine is an unoriginal idea, what more that the G-man is really an alien in the guise of a man using the protagonist as an unwitting tool for his ends? That's like 60% of all science fiction right there. I'll believe the G-man is an alien when Valve tells me so and not a moment sooner, because frankly the whole idea is ludicrous.

Because I believe the G-man to be just that, a man, he is indeed singular.

EVERYTHING gman has done (or gotten freeman to do) benefits the vortigaunts. absolutely everything. they've been freed from slavery, and set up on a nice shiny planet with lots of antlion essence to tap into. soon the only thing standing in their way will be puny earthlings, in the weakest state they've ever been. if he was on our side there sure as hell would not have been any RC. him being on the vort side is the only thing that could possibly explain all of his actions given what we know.

Gman.cpp. It is my favorite piece of relatively unknown information, and I cling to it like a drowning man clings to a piece of driftwood because it is the closest we've gotten so far to figuring out ANYTHING about the G-man. Line 16 of dlls\gman.cpp reads:

//GMan - Misunderstood servant of the people

Until Valve tells me otherwise this simple comment tag tells me that the G-man is on our side. His actions, whatever they've been thus far, have not benefited vorti-kind; they have benefited humanity. Every major catastrophe stemming from the resonance cascade that has adversely affected humanity has been planned and plotted by this figure, for whatever good might eventually come out of it. And that tells me that he cannot, foremost, turn on humanity.

Now, as to his involvement benefiting the vortigaunts: purely coincidental. In fact I highly doubt he gives any thought to them one way or another. The G-man's original intent in delivering the sample was to gain control of Xen. He manipulated the Hazardous Environment Combat Unit MONTHS in advance for an invasion into the borderworld. As of Half-Life 2 the borderworld is STILL under the control of the G-man's employers; they control the very gateway through which ALL dimensional travel must pass. Of what consequence is some former slave race when compared to control of a dimensional gateway?

Now, as for the G-man BEING a vortigaunt...I'm sorry, it's just preposterous. I cannot even begin to enumerate the reasons why this just doesn't work. When have we ever seen a vortigaunt able to take human form? How did the G-man get to Earth before the resonance cascade? If the G-man were a vortigaunt able to communicate beyond the false veil of time and space, why did the vortigaunts know nothing of humans before the Black Mesa incident? How were the vortigaunts able to neutralize the G-man, who should have been prepared for their powers (if he possessed the vortessence himself)? Why do his powers seem technological in nature? Who would be his employers, a splinter faction of vortigaunts? When have we ever seen a vortigaunt have a splintered opinion with his fellows? Why does they oppose their fellow vortigaunts if the goal of all vortigaunts is their species' freedom? Why would these phantom vortigaunts impose heavy restrictions on the G-man? Why would the G-man use Gordon Freeman, and not another vortigaunt, as his medium? Why would he broker Gordon's services? For that matter, why go through all the trouble to preserve Gordon Freeman, Adrian Shepherd, and Alyx Vance if they were going to overthrow humanity anyway? Why would he even bother to deliver cryptic warnings to Eli Vance, and thereby Gordon Freeman? Again, he's doing things that benefit humanity, and therefore that part of your theory goes out the window. Seeing as how he just CAN NOT be a vortigaunt, there goes the theory entirely.

Sorry, my friend, but it's just silly. When it comes to the G-man, it's best to adhere to the policy of "wait and see." Even myself, a guy who loves to hypothesize about Half-Life and its universe, I stay away from the G-man. In the end, all you can do is guess, and after so many guesses over the span of nearly a decade I have found it's best to just...well. "Wait and see," hmmm?

 

[Barrbarian]

you have a point darkside... a LOT of dialogue would have just been bells and whistles, bit of a waste...

another interesting thing is the difference in colour of the 'vort power' from the start of ep1 (blue) to ep2 (purple). probably doesn't mean anything though...

 

[G(ordon)-man]

wait, weren't the vortigaunts in the ep1 also purple?

 

[Iron Kat]

Obvious troll is obvious and ****ING RETARDED

qft
5char

 

[Adabiviak]

Even if this is all true (I'll save that flamewar for the others), and we wind up together on Earth with the Vortigaunts, I'm not sure that we'd wind up brawling. All of the interactions so far (once they were freed from control of the controllers) have been very cooperative and peaceful. I'd think we'd get along just fine.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Valve have repeatedly stated that there are no plans to make HL3.

What.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

I literally shat what's left of my ass brain out loling at this thread.

 

[altceva]

There's nothing to suggest the G-man is of extraterrestrial origin.

Wait. Time stopping, telepathic abilities, inter-dimensional travelling without external coordoniation, oh, we can all do that as humans.

His actions [...] have benefited humanity. Every major catastrophe stemming from the resonance cascade that has adversely affected humanity has been planned and plotted by this figure, for whatever good might eventually come out of it.

What is this "whatever good" that worths killing 90% of the people on Earth? Invent one now, please. Because for me it's pretty much like the WW2's American (really bad) decision of nuking Japan. "We save lives by taking hundreds of thousands of lives. Twice!"