Bush ignores Sudan's genocide

[$kelet0r]

Noam Chomsky may be an ass but his role as devils advocate in American intellectual society has been a major driving force in your culture and politics
he hates the aggressive military-industrial theologically driven conservative politics of America - not America

 

[CptStern]

You asked why he doesn't leave. I said he loved money. I think that is true seeing as how he makes tons of it and doesn't leave.

well you're wrong ..most of his speaking engagements are utside of the US ...media blackout will do that to you

Scott baio and Bush don't hate america.

oh I see because they dont hate america then they sould stay but anyone who disagrees with any policy should be expunged ....what happened to the "land of the free"? ....you have a very narrow view of what exactly it means to be american

Bush loves America

dont agree ...no one who loves america would willingly send it's sons on a snipe hunt that'll end with their deaths

and probably loves money more than anything.

no argument there

 

[Bodacious]

well you're wrong ..most of his speaking engagements are utside of the US ...media blackout will do that to you

That doesn't mean he is paid nothing.

oh I see because they dont hate america then they sould stay but anyone who disagrees with any policy should be expunged ....what happened to the "land of the free"? ....you have a very narrow view of what exactly it means to be american

I didn't say that at all. This is why arguing with you is so hard. You invent crap left and right.

You asked why Noam doesn't leave. I never said he should leave, I answered your question saying Noam loves money.

 

[kmack]

what matters is sudan, and not enough is being done by the US.

 

[Eg.]

but why should the US do anything? the UN has said there were no signs of genocide, so there must be none going on. why isnt anyone saying europe should go in, oh wait the never do.

 

[kmack]

but why should the SU do anything? the UN has said there were no signs of genocide, so there must be none going on. why isnt anyone saying europe should go in, oh wait the never do.

i dont know who the SU is

and when did the UN say that?

 

[Eg.]

when sudan was still hot news the UN sent a few agents over, and they said there was no genocide going onm just local tensions. after that the news sorta dropped sudan and picked up missing kids again and the jackson trial.

even i think there is genocide going on, im juts surprised the UN is willing to pass along the buck like that

 

[Icarusintel]

what matters is sudan, and not enough is being done by the US.

perhaps everyone forgot Somalia, but there are still some people, notably in the government that remember it turned into a disaster, besides, why the hell should the US be the only ones to go in? Why don't other countries, like France or Germany (yeah, I'm picking on em, so what?) take up the torch and do something for a change
The whole, the US needs to do it because they're the US, pisses me off, then we get bitched at when we don;t do anything

 

[Eg.]

somalia wasnt a disaster. we lost like 20 guys and killed nearly a 1000. it was just that clinton didnt like the bad press. we are damned if do and damned if we dont. the rest of the world has a love hate relastionship with america. the love us when they need help and hate us the rest of the time.

its sorta like how kids hate the popular ones but want to be like them

 

[kmack]

perhaps everyone forgot Somalia, but there are still some people, notably in the government that remember it turned into a disaster, besides

we are in Iraq thats a disaster on a scale much larger than Somalia. Besides compared to Sudan Iraq's citizens are living a life of luxury.

why the hell should the US be the only ones to go in?

The whole, the US needs to do it because they're the US, pisses me off, then we get bitched at when we don;t do anything

lol, read the post:
Australia is there now. Eventually, 10,000 UN peacekeepers from China, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Zambia, Egypt, India, Bangladesh and some Western nations will be deployed to help reinforce a peace deal that has ended more than 20 years of conflict. there are already australians there. Thank God for all of THEM.

 

[Icarusintel]

somalia wasnt a disaster. we lost like 20 guys and killed nearly a 1000. it was just that clinton didnt like the bad press. we are damned if do and damned if we dont. the rest of the world has a love hate relastionship with america. the love us when they need help and hate us the rest of the time.

its sorta like how kids hate the popular ones but want to be like them

true enough, yeah, when i said disaster i meant from a political perspective, we certainly showed them how much ass our troops, particularly SF, can kick, but the media wasn;t too amused
edit: Ok, Kmac, so i was a little lazy and didn;t feel like reading though the whole thread, point noted, but if they';re there, why does the US need to go?
Also, Iraq is different, and if we give it about 20 years I have a feeling it won;lt be a disaster at all

 

[kmack]

edit: Ok, Kmac, so i was a little lazy and didn;t feel like reading though the whole thread, point noted, but if they';re there, why does the US need to go?

well we have this policy now of spreading freedom and democracy, we should at least apply it to everywhere, not just places with US interest. sudan is in worse shape than iraq. if we are gonna set up a government and stop genocides lets do it in other places too :thumbs:

 

[Icarusintel]

well we have this policy now of spreading freedom and democracy, we should at least apply it to everywhere, not just places with US interest. sudan is in worse shape than iraq. if we are gonna set up a government and stop genocides lets do it in other places too :thumbs:

yeah, but sadly we just don't have the numbers of troops we need to be everywhere all the time

 

[kmack]

yeah, but sadly we just don't have the numbers of troops we need to be everywhere all the time

ahhh, you hit the nail on the head, now what do we do about this problem? what if North Korea stops listening to everyone (more than tthey already have) and we need to take action? or maybe even Iran? we are spread too think

 

[Icarusintel]

ahhh, you hit the nail on the head, now what do we do about this problem? what if North Korea stops listening to everyone (more than tthey already have) and we need to take action? or maybe even Iran? we are spread too think

Well, I dunno about you, but once I finish college I'm gonna pitch in for my part, but yes, NK is a problem if they decide to attack

 

[Styloid]

But other than that and the agreement to commit monetary aid, the Bush administration has done very little.

Where did the original quote come from? I agree that the USA should definitely contribute by sending troops over (for aid, moral support, and face value) but some of this sentiment seems excessively harsh. It makes it sound almost like the USA is doing nothing-- why downplay "monetary aid" as if it means nothing? Hmmm... $1.7 billion dollars is quite a bit of monetary aid (alertnet.org, Tehran.com). In comparison they donated $350 million dollars to the tsunami relief. The USA was also the first to sponsor resolutions for sanctions against Sudan with several other countries (germany, UK, and romania). Why would the USA not want to send troops? Maybe it's because Sudan's population is 75% Muslim? I don't know. I just think that the US is falling short of what they should be contributing and need to correct their mistakes but articles should try not to be sensational and one-sided just to rile people up.

 

[kmack]

Where did the original quote come from? I agree that the USA should definitely contribute by sending troops over (for aid, moral support, and face value) but some of this sentiment seems excessively harsh. It makes it sound almost like the USA is doing nothing-- why downplay "monetary aid" as if it means nothing? Hmmm... $1.7 billion dollars is quite a bit of monetary aid (alertnet.org, Tehran.com). In comparison they donated $350 million dollars to the tsunami relief. The USA was also the first to sponsor resolutions for sanctions against Sudan with several other countries (germany, UK, and romania). Why would the USA not want to send troops? Maybe it's because Sudan's population is 75% Muslim? I don't know. I just think that the US is falling short of what they should be contributing and need to correct their mistakes but articles should try not to be sensational and one-sided just to rile people up.

that was an editorial, not really a new article, but it made a lot of good points.

 

[No Limit]

I dont defend the war in iraq. I'm saying you idiots cant prove that bush purposely lied about it. All you can say is what some half ass idiot said he did, which wouldent fly in court and it wont fly here.

Really? http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/27_lies.html

This is just the tip of the ice burg; but let me guess, they edited that audio tape without knowing this would be a lie .

You know gh0st, you ****ing sicken me, to put it fankly. kmack says he is going to help people that are in desperate need and you say you hope he ends up on the 6 o'clock news on Al Jazeera? Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people? I though only Bodacious was an idiot but now my list has grown. Yes, feel free to report me as this is a personal attack; I don't give a shit, what you said was way out of line even for a brain dead neocon such as yourself.

 

[ModerateCentrist]

Bush is just one man. The entire evil world is ignoring the racist Arab genocide and rape jihad against blacks in Sudan and the reason is simple: Muslims are allowed to murder anyone they want in the name of tolerance, multiculturalism, diversity, and moral relativism. In otherwords "tolerance" is a Stalinist/Islamist euphamism for Nazi genocide.

 

[Direwolf]

Just in the interest of fairness: I think what ghost was trying to say about Bush lying is that it's nearly impossible to prove he did it on purpose. It's not like he was digging around in Iraq with the CIA.

Bush is just one man. The entire evil world is ignoring the racist Arab genocide and rape jihad against blacks in Sudan and the reason is simple: Muslims are allowed to murder anyone they want in the name of tolerance, multiculturalism, diversity, and moral relativism. In otherwords "tolerance" is a Stalinist euphamism for genocide.

/me gives that one an insanity rating of about 9.

 

[kmack]

Just in the interest of fairness: I think what ghost was trying to say about Bush lying is that it's nearly impossible to prove he did it on purpose. It's not like he was digging around in Iraq with the CIA.

i dont care if he did it on purpose, still a lie, and i dont think we'll ever know how he really thought about the WMD info.

 

[Direwolf]

Thats precisely the point. We don't have a flippin' clue.

 

[kmack]

Thats precisely the point. We don't have a flippin' clue.

well we do know that he DID tell congress and the US citizens that Iraq had WMDs and were a threat to national security. without that information i dont believe the US would go to war in Iraq. There are no WMDs in Iraq, he lied. i want an apology.

 

[ModerateCentrist]

Just in the interest of fairness: I think what ghost was trying to say about Bush lying is that it's nearly impossible to prove he did it on purpose. It's not like he was digging around in Iraq with the CIA.

* Direwolf gives that one an insanity rating of about 9.

Why do you say that?

 

[No Limit]

Just in the interest of fairness: I think what ghost was trying to say about Bush lying is that it's nearly impossible to prove he did it on purpose. It's not like he was digging around in Iraq with the CIA.

Yeah, but you would have to be a Republican to buy such bullshit. How can his administration edit an audio tape to make it seem like Saddam and Osama were in the same bed and then claim they didn't know they were lying?

 

[superjuanchango]

Hey dick, Bush admitted no link was found. Show us proof of him altering tape? Show us proof of anything you claim you conspiracy theorist ass. Leave it to a democrat to make an argument with a bad analogy and no evidence.

How about the double standard set upon foreign relations? Let’s give it a round of applause. On one side we are bad for not stopping genocide, example is Dafur. On the other we are war criminals for trying to stop genocide, example is Iraq.

 

[Direwolf]

Well there's altered and then theres altered. One has them splicing together bits of speech to synthesize a conversation that supports them and trying to pass it off as the real deal. But "altered" could also just mean that it was taken out of context.
I'm not sure which it is, but I'll be damned if I'll ever know whether it was Bush or a shady low-level operative thats responsible.

 

[superjuanchango]

It was Bush, I saw him. He did it with a ruler and a pencil. I also heard he is wicked hardcore at photoshop.

 

[kmack]

How about the double standard set upon foreign relations? Let’s give it a round of applause. On one side we are bad for not stopping genocide, example is Dafur. On the other we are war criminals for trying to stop genocide, example is Iraq.

which genocide did we stop in Iraq?

 

[superjuanchango]

The hundreds of thousands of Iraqis he killed, as well as the Kurdish minority in Iraq (Better late then never!) Don't even start with the bullshit of "We are killing people in Iraq now!" because war time deaths are different then "You blinked at me, kill him with his own shoes!"

 

[Lt. Drebin]

well we have this policy now of spreading freedom and democracy, we should at least apply it to everywhere, not just places with US interest.

Not only freedom and democracy, but a "culture of life". I see a clear correlation between the situation in Sudan and his "culture of life". Lets do away with stem cell research, abortion, etc, but let's do little to nothing to stop the murder of almost 200,000 human beings. You need to look no further than his comments about spreding a "culture of life" and apply it to the Sudan to get a measure of his character. Not one person can defend these positions. Not one. It's utter hypocrisy. He and his administration should be ashamed. There should be an absolute overkill of US troops over there if only for peacekeeping reasons.....our involvement should be one of stopping an attrocious display of violence and murder if we're to spread this "culture of life".

I supported our president and his administration until they made a mockery of me. Hell, even as a politician he can't get his shit straight....even if we went into the Sudan and got our shit packed, he comes out the other end rosey as a mother for trying to end one of the worst humanitarian crises in recent history. With Iraq, there's little chance of him being praised even in the midst of victory because the situation is horribly tainted. When my president and his administration go before the world and present Iraq as a clear and present danger due to possession of wmds, I tend to listen and believe as do most people. So, if you're not a Bush supporter...let it play out...you're bound to get the last laugh in this terrible situation. And now, he's flying around the country campaigning for his social security reform....talk about a lack of priority. From the perspective of a person who used to support him and his administration.....I'm in utter shock.

 

[gh0st]

Really? http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/27_lies.html

Buzzflash huh. Ha. Hahaha. Ohhh BUZZFLASH. :dozey: I'm wowed with their credibility. kmack was doing a better job than that. Reading through that, all it says is how we were fooled, for example by those italian documents, and then blew it, then they label it a "lie".

You know gh0st, you ****ing sicken me, to put it fankly. kmack says he is going to help people that are in desperate need and you say you hope he ends up on the 6 o'clock news on Al Jazeera? Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people? I though only Bodacious was an idiot but now my list has grown. Yes, feel free to report me as this is a personal attack; I don't give a shit, what you said was way out of line even for a brain dead neocon such as yourself.

Wow... I meant in one of their specials for humanitarian assisstance, I dont want kmack to get beheaded thats disgusting. You need to get your feeble mind out of the gutter and stop assuming the worst in people. Ohhh typical liberal cynicism and pessimism.

 

[MarcoPollo]

But no one praises bush for stoping a future hitler....for shame.

 

[CptStern]

But no one praises bush for stoping a future hitler....for shame.

no one praises bush because it's just not true, saddam was NEVER a threat to the US. In fact the US didnt care when saddam was an ally and was killing thousands of his own people, in some cases using US weapons and intelligence to carry out some of his worst crimes against humanity ..it's just that now since the bush admins WMD excuse has been proven to be BS they have to put some other spin on the reasons why they're in iraq

 

[Absinthe]

nvm

Stern did a good job already.

 

[kirovman]

no one praises bush because it's just not true, saddam was NEVER a threat to the US. In fact the US didnt care when saddam was an ally and was killing thousands of his own people, in some cases using US weapons and intelligence to carry out some of his worst crimes against humanity ..it's just that now since the bush admins WMD excuse has been proven to be BS they have to put some other spin on the reasons why they're in iraq

Silence dissident!
:cheese:

Yeah I agree, it's not so much that they stopped a future Hitler, so much as they used to support him, sell him weapons, and give a welcome to the invasion of Iran and cheered him on when he actually used the chemical weapons.

All of a sudden it's changed and he's a bad bad man. Any chemical WMD Iraq ever had was American in design.

 

[CptStern]

Silence dissident!
:cheese:.

I'll be good, dont hurt me no mo boss :O

 

[KoreBolteR]

I'll be good, dont hurt me no mo boss :O

i can imagine that setance being said by John Coffey (green mile) :upstare:

 

[CptStern]

i can imagine that setance being said by John Coffey (green mile) :upstare:

there can only be ONE prison movie:

Cool Hand Luke


all others are pale imitations

 

[Lt. Drebin]

there can only be ONE prison movie:

Cool Hand Luke


all others are pale imitations

"Lock Up" baby. You've been Sylvester Stallownd.