Bush Spending: out of control

[Sulkdodds]

(this is supposedly what separates us from the idealistic, wooly-headed liberals though these neocons are just as idealistic and wooly-headed as any left-wing academic)

Isn't 'liberal' kind of a different thing from left-wing?

Personally, although I'm not neearly a socialist, I think that with small government and a lot of privatisation you basically give the corporations too much power. An exmaple: my last school got privatised. Because the corporation in question is persuing profit, there is no way you can trust them to do the best thing for the kids or try and give them the best education. Nope, it'll be in the interests of maximum profit. So they installed vending machines in the hallways, cut down on funding, and the new sports hall they built was the cheapest building I have ever seen. It took them two bloody years to build it and it ended up with self-excavating potholes. Anything that went wrong in the school, they didn't bother fixing and believe me, plenty went wrong. They even made it impossible to get hot water through the taps. That's how cheap they were.

Now this isn't my bitter story of how privatisation ruined my education AND NOW I HATE CONSERVATIVES FOR WHAT THEY DID TO MY CHILDHOOD (because I got a big bundle of GCSE A's) but I think it's a perfect example of my point. When the government gets smaller companies move in and they cannot be trusted to manage public services.

Taken to the logical extreme, all schools would be completely privately owned and you'd have to pay to get into them. The poor would only be able to afford shit schools and so they'd only be able to get shit jobs and so they'd stay poor. Rich people would be able to pay for good schooling and they'd be able to get good jobs and stay rich. We already have private schools and paying for university.

In my opinion, conservatism, while making everything simpler and in some ways being a good political system, serves to widen the gap between rich and poor, and keep it wide. Even with increased social mobility, not everyone can climb from the very bottom to the very top in a capitalist dream stylee.

Of course, the problem with the current Bush administration is thery're spending lots but not actually seeming to accomplish anything, and they're still increasing privatisation and widening the class divide as far as I can see.

 

[Kangy]

Yeah, I'm fed up with the Politics forum too. It seems like there's just a bunch of people on both sides who will never admit that the other side is good, and will deny proven achievements or just pretend they didn't happen/aren't related to today.

I consider myself quite socially liberal, but I also think communism is a terrible idea that would never work. I suppose occasionally I'm very right wing about certain things, but others I'm completely for as much freedom as possible. And as it is, people don't seem to see that here.

 

[jverne]

I'm a redneck and white trash...yet I hate bush. Or am I an exception?

why exactly would you be considered white trash? want to kill all gays?, read the bible to yet unborn babies?, allow sex only after marriage? what...tell us?!

i think you're yust trying to act conservative...why the hell would someone who calls himself white trash, be debating on a forum?

 

[Sulkdodds]

He's banned again, you know. He'd say something along the lines of he's a new-age redkneck.

 

[jverne]

He's banned again, you know. He'd say something along the lines of he's a new-age redkneck.

hehe new-age redneck!! :E it's like having a horse driven car...stupid!
so yes, Tron is stupid as far as i can see!

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

lets face it, there are too many rich and powerful idiot's in this world who have a massive say in how things are done, more intelligent less egotistical types who actually make the world bearable to live in.. dont get into politic's, its all arse end round, which is why the world is becoming so f****d up.. money is making the worst of people and unfortunately money is what what gives you power, not intelligence or good moral's, greed is blowing sustainable society out the window gradually.

That is simply one main aspect of why achieving peaceful society's within our current system is utter bollocks, Things have to change drastically if we really want a safer world, It may require a mass revolution. But its true there's only certain amounts of incompetance and stress people can take, problem is If the whole of America rebelled against the US government .. they might be forced to show their true colours and use their own army to prevent that.

This doesn't really make any sense. Money isn't the problem at all. It's spending -too much- money, that's the serious issue here. It's nothing to do with personal wealth either it's government spending. Essentially (I'm assuming you're more of a liberal/leftist) your policies are the ones we're ranting about Bush and the Republicans picking up on. Our parties need to move away from their current trend and back to their roots. We started out after 2000 strong in the case of fiscal conservatism. But today it's almost out of control, and it's not just because of the war, I could only wish the war was the ONLY thing being spent too much on.