Bush: The worst president ever?

[No Limit]

what are you talking about? i want the bastard dead as well, I'd like to see HIS execution video shown all over the internet, screw the justice system, I'd rather have some merc or vigilante do it

You want to catch Osama and you support Bush and his policies? Sounds like an oxymoron.

 

[Icarusintel]

You want to catch Osama and you support Bush and his policies? Sounds like an oxymoron.

well, i dunno how you think we'd go about finding osama bin laden, but we couldn;t just use all the troops in iraq to do it, and there's still plenty in afghanistan and there's plenty of intelligence agencies on it, he's just a coward, he should stand up and fight

 

[Icarusintel]

well the fact that we had osama pinned in the mountains, and then we all of a sudden took most our troops and concetrated our efforts on to iraq, is kind of a hint. Bush either doesn't want osama, or theirs something deeper. We could of had osama... i mean we found saddam in a hole, why the hell cant we find osama. We've been looking for him for 4 years, we looked for saddam for how long? a month maybe? (correct me if im wrong on that, but it def. wasn't no 4 years)

saddam stayed in iraq, osama could be anywhere

 

[saracen]

I would say Bush is the biggest monkey of all time, he reminds me of that film with denzel washington whats it called candidate something....

 

[No Limit]

well, i dunno how you think we'd go about finding osama bin laden, but we couldn;t just use all the troops in iraq to do it, and there's still plenty in afghanistan and there's plenty of intelligence agencies on it, he's just a coward, he should stand up and fight

Bush doesn't care about Osama, his focus after 9/11 went directly to Saddam. After they had Osama covered Bush exported the job of capturing him allowing him to get away without a trace. In addition, I think Bush has only mentioned Osama once in the last year.

 

[jonbob]

And as I recall there are no established links between Hussein and al-Queada. I think Bush's priorities have been made abundantly clear by now.

 

[saracen]

does al qaeda even exist? where is bin laden?? if american government don't give me proof then it might just as well be hollywood.

 

[Parasite]

does al qaeda even exist? where is bin laden?? if american government don't give me proof then it might just as well be hollywood.

My dog does the same thing...he sits on his ass and waits to be told what to think and what to do. You know why? Because he doesnt have the mental capacity to seek out the information himself and draw his own conclusions.

If you are just gonna sit on your ass and wait for someone else to tell you, dont pretend like it mattered to you in the first place.

 

[Absinthe]

So it's not the responsibility of the US government to justify its actions?

Al Qaeda, as described by the Bush administration, does not exist.

 

[CptStern]

My dog does the same thing...he sits on his ass and waits to be told what to think and what to do. You know why? Because he doesnt have the mental capacity to seek out the information himself and draw his own conclusions.

If you are just gonna sit on your ass and wait for someone else to tell you, dont pretend like it mattered to you in the first place.

oh but you didnt sit on your ass now did you? reagan didnt sit idly by while the russians steamrolled through afghanistan, nope, no siree you armed fanatics and madmen knowing full well one day it'd come back and bite you in the ass ..same goes for Iraq ...you didnt sit on your ass while saddam was comitting the worst of his atrocites ..in fact you were helping him commit those crimes.

what about terrorism? well you havent been sitting on your ass either ..no siree ..pappy GH Bush didnt sit on his ass when he harboured and pardoned wanted terrorist Orlando Bosch now did he? or Pedro Rémon or Gaspar Jiménez, or Guillermo Novo or Louis Posada Carriles ...all wanted terrorists, ALL shelter by the US .......so who's sitting on their ass not doing anything? certainly not the US ...you're too busy setting the ball in motion for the next dozen or so 9/11's



oh and I find it extremely ironic you said this:


"he sits on his ass and waits to be told what to think and what to do."


seems to me like you did exactly that

 

[Lemonking]

well lets hope that these 3 years pas by without anything major happeing

 

[Parasite]

oh but you didnt sit on your ass now did you? reagan didnt sit idly by while the russians steamrolled through afghanistan, nope, no siree you armed fanatics and madmen knowing full well one day it'd come back and bite you in the ass ..same goes for Iraq ...you didnt sit on your ass while saddam was comitting the worst of his atrocites ..in fact you were helping him commit those crimes.

what about terrorism? well you havent been sitting on your ass either ..no siree ..pappy GH Bush didnt sit on his ass when he harboured and pardoned wanted terrorist Orlando Bosch now did he? or Pedro Rémon or Gaspar Jiménez, or Guillermo Novo or Louis Posada Carriles ...all wanted terrorists, ALL shelter by the US .......so who's sitting on their ass not doing anything? certainly not the US ...you're too busy setting the ball in motion for the next dozen or so 9/11's



oh and I find it extremely ironic you said this:


"he sits on his ass and waits to be told what to think and what to do."


seems to me like you did exactly that

The point I was making is that the information is out there, dont sit idly by and wait for someone to hand deliver it. I never once said I agree with ANYTHING that is happening in Iraq or russia or...in fact, you just pulled so many assumption out of your ass it makes me sick. You toss a bunch of labels and other bullshit on me, call me brainwashed all because I said it is HIS responsability to seek out the information and come to HIW OWN conclusions. Not to expect the US govt, or anyone else to provide him with an opinion.

SO far Ive seen you are good at 2 things Stern, making wild assumptions by jumping to conslusions, and making an ass of yourself. Do yourself a favor and think before you speak or shut the **** up. I for one would prefer the latter.

 

[Absinthe]

Parasite, what are you on about? What does any of this have to do with hand-fed opinions?

 

[CptStern]

The point I was making is that the information is out there, dont sit idly by and wait for someone to hand deliver it. I never once said I agree with ANYTHING that is happening in Iraq or russia or...in fact, you just pulled so many assumption out of your ass it makes me sick. You toss a bunch of labels and other bullshit on me, call me brainwashed all because I said it is HIS responsability to seek out the information and come to HIW OWN conclusions. Not to expect the US govt, or anyone else to provide him with an opinion.

SO far Ive seen you are good at 2 things Stern, making wild assumptions by jumping to conslusions, and making an ass of yourself. Do yourself a favor and think before you speak or shut the **** up. I for one would prefer the latter.

you missed my point entirely

 

[Parasite]

you missed my point entirely

I hope so. All I saw was you trying to put a bunch of words in my mouth.

 

[CptStern]

try not to be so literal

 

[ComradeBadger]

Keep it clean please +

Rehashing of points != fun

 

[Glirk Dient]

oh but you didnt sit on your ass now did you? reagan didnt sit idly by while the russians steamrolled through afghanistan, nope, no siree you armed fanatics and madmen knowing full well one day it'd come back and bite you in the ass ..same goes for Iraq ...you didnt sit on your ass while saddam was comitting the worst of his atrocites ..in fact you were helping him commit those crimes.

what about terrorism? well you havent been sitting on your ass either ..no siree ..pappy GH Bush didnt sit on his ass when he harboured and pardoned wanted terrorist Orlando Bosch now did he? or Pedro Rémon or Gaspar Jiménez, or Guillermo Novo or Louis Posada Carriles ...all wanted terrorists, ALL shelter by the US .......so who's sitting on their ass not doing anything? certainly not the US ...you're too busy setting the ball in motion for the next dozen or so 9/11's



oh and I find it extremely ironic you said this:


"he sits on his ass and waits to be told what to think and what to do."


seems to me like you did exactly that

First off whos to say we were to invade Iraq because of what Sadam was doing? it's not our concern that sadam was killing millions of innocent people, so whos the hippocrit now?

Second setting the ball in motion for the next few 9/11's? Let's see, first gulf war pisses the al queda off so much they declare a holy was forever against the U.S. Hmm, how long does forever last? Oh, I get it, they hate us with a passion forever because we went on their holy land, and they need more of a reason to terrorize us that a burning hatred? Ok, so maybe we should just sit on our asses while their burning hatred just kills a few thousand americans once a while instead of get rid of the problem? Good idea!

 

[Lemonking]

ahaahahahahahgahahahaha dude.....what does the gulf war have to do with al queda?
nothing ecsactly

 

[No Limit]

First off whos to say we were to invade Iraq because of what Sadam was doing? it's not our concern that sadam was killing millions of innocent people, so whos the hippocrit now?

Second setting the ball in motion for the next few 9/11's? Let's see, first gulf war pisses the al queda off so much they declare a holy was forever against the U.S. Hmm, how long does forever last? Oh, I get it, they hate us with a passion forever because we went on their holy land, and they need more of a reason to terrorize us that a burning hatred? Ok, so maybe we should just sit on our asses while their burning hatred just kills a few thousand americans once a while instead of get rid of the problem? Good idea!

And can you tell me a single terrorist group that was stopped, or even slowed down, by the invasion of Iraq? While Saddam was in power he wouldn't allow a single terrorist on his land. Now, Iraq is pretty much a safehaven for terrorists. Yeah, Bush did a great job. :thumbs: Not to mention that if not for the war we would have about 300 billion dollars and about 100,000+ troops to actually destroy the people that attacked us. :thumbs:

 

[00dave]

While Saddam was in power he wouldn't allow a single terrorist on his land.

Thats not true.

 

[saracen]

well lets hope that these 3 years pas by without anything major happeing

Lets hope papa Bush does not pull off another reichstag and use this as a proxy to invade Syria next...

PS I am so happy I can communicate to some clued up Americans at last!!!!

Been to other forums and they sound like Texan nut cases. They all bloody sound like buzz light year but evil ones, and they like all salute and pray to the US flag. They believe you can only be a patriot by wearing US military uniform, what a bunch of doush bags LOL!!!!!!!!!!

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Lets hope papa Bush does not pull off another reichstag and use this as a proxy to invade Syria next...

one of my mom's friends works in the White House, and she says that Bush is mean, and terrible to work with, she liked Clinton a lot better, at least that's what she said

 

[saracen]

what can I say iyfyoufhl Bush is a doush bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALong with his pirate croonies

such as Richard Pearl AKA prince of Darkness...

He is so terrible to work with because he can't string together a couple of sentences without saying terror in it.

Your mom's friend has to serve him the pretezels??

LOL just joking btw

 

[CptStern]

First off whos to say we were to invade Iraq because of what Sadam was doing?

read this

you wouldnt have invaded because he was an ally

it's not our concern that sadam was killing millions of innocent people, so whos the hippocrit now?

you ...dont try to sugar quote it by saying it wasnt your concern when the reality was quite the opposite ...it MUST have concerned you because why else would you put in considerable effort to enure the saddam destroyed his enemies?

Second setting the ball in motion for the next few 9/11's? Let's see, first gulf war pisses the al queda off so much they declare a holy was forever against the U.S

Hmm, how long does forever last? Oh, I get it, they hate us with a passion forever because we went on their holy land, and they need more of a reason to terrorize us that a burning hatred? Ok, so maybe we should just sit on our asses while their burning hatred just kills a few thousand americans once a while instead of get rid of the problem? Good idea!

they're fanatics ..if they can start a war based on idealism how easy wll it be for other fanatical groups to recruit soldiers based solely on the occupation of iraq? You've literally set up the worlds largest terrorist recruitment camp ...and guess who they'll be gunning for? so tel me again how this war was a war to stop terror?

 

[iyfyoufhl]

we gave them guns and let them loose, well and those rich saudi's too

 

[CptStern]

we gave them guns and let them loose, well and those rich saudi's too

that's one of the reasons osama was kicked out of saudi arabia ..criticised the monarchy for consorting with the west

 

[saracen]

it's not our concern that sadam was killing millions of innocent people, so whos the hippocrit now?

Umm when has Saddam killed millions of people????

However I do know US and British foreign policies such as sanctions and the oil for food program has killed off a million iraqis, my iraqi friend was telling me they weren't even allowed to use lead for their pencils.

Look even that bitch Madeleine Albright admits killing half a million iraqi children was worth it.

Check out Madeleine Albright's reply to Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" on May 12, 1996. Stahl: "We have heard that a half a million children have died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And—you know—is the price worth it?"

Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is worth it."

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Check out Madeleine Albright's reply to Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" on May 12, 1996. Stahl: "We have heard that a half a million children have died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And—you know—is the price worth it?"

Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is worth it."

that's horrible, monsters all over the place :angry:

 

[CptStern]

Umm when has Saddam killed millions of people????

However I do know US and British foreign policies such as sanctions and the oil for food program has killed off a million iraqis, my iraqi friend was telling me they weren't even allowed to use lead for their pencils.

Look even that bitch Madeleine Albright admits killing half a million iraqi children was worth it.

Check out Madeleine Albright's reply to Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" on May 12, 1996. Stahl: "We have heard that a half a million children have died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And—you know—is the price worth it?"

Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is worth it."

it was worse than that

 

[iyfyoufhl]

that's one of the reasons osama was kicked out of saudi arabia ..criticised the monarchy for consorting with the west

i can't believe that they wouldn't have a nuke or two around, i mean all those money :naughty:

 

[saracen]

What evidence do you hold that Sadam gassed the kurds?

In March 1988, the Iranians managed to take the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, near the border. Some of the fiercest fighting of the war ensued in Iraq's effort to retake it, and Halabja became the site of one of the greatest tragedies of the war. After the fighting stopped, with Iran still in possession of the town, the international press was invited in. Hundreds of people lay dead in the streets, many of them Kurdish women clutching their dead babies, their dark blue lips indicating that they were victims of cyanide gas.

The Iranians condemned Saddam for gassing his own people, and the Kurdish rebels quickly joined in the condemnation, but Saddam denied the charges.

The Pentagon later issued a report that said that although both sides used chemical weapons at Halabja, each apparently believing they were targeting enemy positions, there was no evidence that it was the Iraqis who gassed the Kurds. In fact, Iraq was not believed to have cyanide gas, whereas, it was known that Iran did.

In 2003, it was stated that 400,000 bodies were found in mass graves in the south of Iraq. On June 18, 2004, Tony Blair apologized for using this figure. In reality, fewer than 5,000 graves have been found, and most of these were soldiers who were killed in wars, including Desert Storm. This story never made one line in U.S. publications.
"Saddam gases his own people," we heard time and time again in reference to the gassing of Kurds in Halabja. The reality is that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds. In 1988, the CIA reported this and again in 2004, embedded in a CIA report was the fact that Iran gassed the Kurds.
During the Anfal campaign of 1988, supposedly 180,000 people were killed by Iraqi troops, mostly Kurds. Human Rights Watch heralded these figures. But, of the 180,000, not one body has been found. Today, Human Rights Watch admits it was taken in.


Guess who supplied chemical weapons to both iran and iraq, you got it retard Bush family/cheney/Rumsfeld once again.

As for this claim that Sadam was with 'AL Qaeda' this is totally moronic, Sadam used to mince up people who wanted islamic state in iraq.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

What evidence do you hold that Sadam gassed the kurds?

In March 1988, the Iranians managed to take the Iraqi Kurdish town of Halabja, near the border. Some of the fiercest fighting of the war ensued in Iraq's effort to retake it, and Halabja became the site of one of the greatest tragedies of the war. After the fighting stopped, with Iran still in possession of the town, the international press was invited in. Hundreds of people lay dead in the streets, many of them Kurdish women clutching their dead babies, their dark blue lips indicating that they were victims of cyanide gas.

The Iranians condemned Saddam for gassing his own people, and the Kurdish rebels quickly joined in the condemnation, but Saddam denied the charges.

The Pentagon later issued a report that said that although both sides used chemical weapons at Halabja, each apparently believing they were targeting enemy positions, there was no evidence that it was the Iraqis who gassed the Kurds. In fact, Iraq was not believed to have cyanide gas, whereas, it was known that Iran did.

In 2003, it was stated that 400,000 bodies were found in mass graves in the south of Iraq. On June 18, 2004, Tony Blair apologized for using this figure. In reality, fewer than 5,000 graves have been found, and most of these were soldiers who were killed in wars, including Desert Storm. This story never made one line in U.S. publications.
"Saddam gases his own people," we heard time and time again in reference to the gassing of Kurds in Halabja. The reality is that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds. In 1988, the CIA reported this and again in 2004, embedded in a CIA report was the fact that Iran gassed the Kurds.
During the Anfal campaign of 1988, supposedly 180,000 people were killed by Iraqi troops, mostly Kurds. Human Rights Watch heralded these figures. But, of the 180,000, not one body has been found. Today, Human Rights Watch admits it was taken in.
The stories of the "human shredding machine" at Abu Ghraib, as well as the torture chambers at the Iraqi Olympic Committee have also been found to be fabrications. One-by-one, each allegation has been shown to be a lie used by the U.S. to demonize Saddam Hussein and his government.

Guess who supplied chemical weapons to both iran and iraq, you got it retard Bush family/cheney/Rumsfeld once again.

almost sounds like a PW1 "personal war"

 

[saracen]

SO it goes beyond logic in the middle of a strategic battle, Sadam would order to kill hiis own people for no reason....

 

[bliink]

Vague thread. Off topic. Pointless discussion ensues.