Bush Told Blair First Iraq Then Saudi Arabia

"What is interesting is the mention of Saudi Arabia, which to the best of my knowledge had not at that time been identified particularly as a country with WMD. An alternative view is that the mention of Saudi Arabia indicates that the true objectives were not related exclusively to WMD."



I wonder why saudi arabia ..the house of Saud (royal family) has been playing ball for over 2 decades ..could they have displeased the americans somehow? They didnt go after them after 9/11 when they actually had a reason to ...why now?
 
CptStern said:
I wonder why saudi arabia ..the house of Saud (royal family) has been playing ball for over 2 decades ..could they have displeased the americans somehow? They didnt go after them after 9/11 when they actually had a reason to ...why now?
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You really can't expect a good reason from the Bush admin, I think they are simply batshit crazy. I honestly think, and I have no evidance of this as this is just my opinion, Bush figured he could go on a christian crusade through the middle east taking out any form of Islam. Obviously americans would never again allow him to attack any other country after what has happened in Iraq but from the start I think that was his intention.
 
I'm not so sure the american people wouldnt allow bush to invade another country ...memories tend to be short, and the PR machine is far too effective
 
CptStern said:
I'm not so sure the american people wouldnt allow bush to invade another country ...memories tend to be short, and the PR machine is far too effective
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With a 39% approval rating for his adminstration and I think below a 30% approval rating for the Iraq war I don't think anyone would allow it. Besides, elections are only a year away and I really do think Dems will take back congress, atleast thats what the polls are currently predicting.
 
well I hope you're right ...yet all bush would need is another attack on the US. People would flip flop overnight
 
And how much airtime is this going to get in the US? Probably as much as the Downing Street Memo; not even so much as a squeak.
 
CptStern said:
I'm not so sure the american people wouldnt allow bush to invade another country ...memories tend to be short, and the PR machine is far too effective
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Oh come on. Thats bull. I've been saying for a long long time I would never go for another war... and you know i'm one of the least sensible people around. :rolleyes:
 
1 out of 300,000,000 ...and I'm not entirely convinced of that





"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
 
I think you just think americans are weak, Stern. All Americans, every one of em.
 
Raziaar said:
Oh come on. Thats bull. I've been saying for a long long time I would never go for another war... and you know i'm one of the least sensible people around. :rolleyes:
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All Bush has to do is give a few speeches "Weapons of mass destruction, fascism, dictatorship, cruel, must protect American freedom, CIA photographs show NUCLEAR WEAPONS and biological trucks of destruction in the desert" and you folks will be back on the bandwagon to invade another country.

I think you just think americans are weak, Stern. All Americans, every one of em.
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I don't think he does. But if it happens again and you all just sit back and do nothing then he, i and the world will think you are very weak. Good men do nothing and evil succeeds, yeah that.
 
and what saudi arabia hav done to the USA?
whats the reason of this?
 
Mr-Fusion said:
All Bush has to do is give a few speeches "Weapons of mass destruction, fascism, dictatorship, cruel, must protect American freedom, CIA photographs show NUCLEAR WEAPONS and biological trucks of destruction in the desert" and you folks will be back on the bandwagon to invade another country.
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Sadly, I think you're right. People are just looking to get even with someone. American corporations are making money off of this Iraq war. It would be good business to get into another one as well. Sickening.

Sometimes I think Bush is throwing darts at a map of the Middle East trying to decide who to invade next while blind folded.
 
<RJMC> said:
and what saudi arabia hav done to the USA?
whats the reason of this?
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Well, a lot of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. I personally think we should have come down hard on the Saudis along with the Afghan terrorist cells. Not go to war with the Saudis but send in a force capable of infiltrating and capturing those bastards. But what did we do? We went after Iraq! :LOL: What a total goof!
 
satch919 said:
American corporations are making money off of this Iraq war. It would be good business to get into another one as well. Sickening.
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Someone will always profit on other misfortunes, thats how pure capitalism works, it sounds wrong somewhere deep down inside, but its just the way things will be.

satch919 said:
Well, a lot of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. I personally think we should have come down hard on the Saudis along with the Afghan terrorist cells. Not go to war with the Saudis but send in a force capable of infiltrating and capturing those bastards. But what did we do? We went after Iraq! :LOL: What a total goof!
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As the topic title suggests, baby step.

We invade Iraq, stabilize and pacify it. We then use Iraq as a base of operations to attack Saudi Arabia in whatever ways are deemed fit. As opposed to directly attacking Saudi Arabia from the Red or other seas. As opposed to seas with narrow windows to operate from, having a gigantic undefendible boarder makes for a better route of attack. With Supply lines behind and on land the attacks can be backed up more quickly. No politics involved in this, this is just the steps that would be taken by Military Commanders.
 
hey no limit, maybe that'll be MY chance to go to war! i hope we do ****ing invade saudi arabia. and after them we'll ruin syria and hell, lets **** pakistan up too. only we wont bother rebuilding those, we will just kill every one we see and carpet bomb their cities. the the british and us will steamroll the middle east through an efficient draft and execution of subsequent protesters, effectively destroying american liberals. then we will team up with russia and kill every chechan man women and child. after that, we will just nuke china and north korea so we dont even have to bother with them. the united nations plaza will be locked down and put to flame, with all delegates (besides ours) inside. we wont bother with france, other than to drop a nuke on paris, after liberating all the techno of western europe. bam no more terrorism. all economic profit will go through the military industrial complex, and congress will be imprisoned and tortured. we can keep our new conservative justices. after that a massive land campaign against all other bad nations would commence. after the world had been conquered, all good nations will recieve large partitions of land to police and a new era of peace will set in.

see how easy it is?
 
"...may also be dealt with..."

Wow. I think you guys are reading WAY too much into this. "may also be dealt with" doesn't equate to "we're going to invade their country and take out their leaders and occupy them until stability is restored or we get tired of fighting a seemingly hopeless cause." We are already dealing with all of them to an extent now anyway, so this sentence or two is just bovine fecal matter as far as I am concerned. Does anyone actually see us invading Pakistan? I sure don't and I don't think any sane individual on the planet can say otherwise. Syria and/or Iran maybe, but not the others, and that includes Korea.
 
VictimOfScience said:
"...may also be dealt with..."

Wow. I think you guys are reading WAY too much into this. "may also be dealt with" doesn't equate to "we're going to invade their country and take out their leaders and occupy them until stability is restored or we get tired of fighting a seemingly hopeless cause." We are already dealing with all of them to an extent now anyway, so this sentence or two is just bovine fecal matter as far as I am concerned. Does anyone actually see us invading Pakistan? I sure don't and I don't think any sane individual on the planet can say otherwise. Syria and/or Iran maybe, but not the others, and that includes Korea.
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"As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?"

"But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership."


"• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.




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doesnt sound so far fetched once you examine the goals of the people currently in power
 
VictimOfScience said:
"...may also be dealt with..."

Wow. I think you guys are reading WAY too much into this. "may also be dealt with" doesn't equate to "we're going to invade their country and take out their leaders and occupy them until stability is restored or we get tired of fighting a seemingly hopeless cause." We are already dealing with all of them to an extent now anyway, so this sentence or two is just bovine fecal matter as far as I am concerned. Does anyone actually see us invading Pakistan? I sure don't and I don't think any sane individual on the planet can say otherwise. Syria and/or Iran maybe, but not the others, and that includes Korea.
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If you read everything in context he clearly said he wanted to go far beyond Iraq. What you said is exactly the point, no idiot on this planet would believe invading Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would be a good idea; the problem is the president, the most powerful person in the world, thought it would be possible.
 
No Limit said:
If you read everything in context he clearly said he wanted to go far beyond Iraq. What you said is exactly the point, no idiot on this planet would believe invading Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would be a good idea; the problem is the president, the most powerful person in the world, thought it would be possible.
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Pakistan? That's one of America's Allies.
 
Look, Bush has three more years of his reign of terror and much of that will be focused on Iraq as we don't have much of a choice in terms of manpower. I honestly can't understand how you guys can think that another major invasion or "regime-change" is possible before this nitwit leaves the office...well, maybe one if the country is small enough :).

What I do think would be worthy of our compute cycles is who we are going to put in his place when he's done taking the lunch money of fellow world leaders and getting them to do his homework for him in this tortured playground into which he has turned our world.

But what exactly is the point with these threads anyway? Yes, its good to criticize the current administration when its due and deliver that criticism to the eyes and ears of the populous. That said, it is always due with this administration, so what is the point of pointing out even more idiocy? Are we shooting for impeachment? We all know that the hole he is digging for the USA in terms of world opinion is getting deeper by Planck's time, so it might be best to nip it in the bud, to cut out the cancer before it ravages the entire planet! Is this, then, the ultimate goal here? Or is it enough to say that we are trying to simply educate the audience (albeit a quite limited one) here about the potential dangers of current policies so that we can all make a much more well-informed decision when it comes to the only election people here in the states seem to care about: The Presidential Election?
 
bush is a figure head ..Wolfowitz was the mastermind behind the invasion of iraq. Long after bush is gone the neo-cons will still weild considerable power
 
CptStern said:
bush is a figure head ..Wolfowitz was the mastermind behind the invasion of iraq. Long after bush is gone the neo-cons will still weild considerable power
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Then why do you guys spend ALL of your time bashing bush? Everything is always personally bush's fault. Earthquake? BAM, bush's fault... he didn't provide millions of dollars to the cities hit to reinforce buildings despite the fact that earthquakes are completely random!
 
Raziaar said:
Then why do you guys spend ALL of your time bashing bush? Everything is always personally bush's fault. Earthquake? BAM, bush's fault... he didn't provide millions of dollars to the cities hit to reinforce buildings despite the fact that earthquakes are completely random!
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What are you talking about? Providing millions is not the problem, the problem is when our leader is too incompetent to even realize the scale of the disaster.

Second, we 'bash' Bush because he is the figure head of all the people. Once people do not support Bush they will not support everyone around him.

Or is it enough to say that we are trying to simply educate the audience (albeit a quite limited one) here about the potential dangers of current policies so that we can all make a much more well-informed decision when it comes to the only election people here in the states seem to care about: The Presidential Election?
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You hit the nail on the head there. Most people in this country don't even know there is an election in 06. It is our job to tell these people to vote that day. If we take back congress Bush will not be able to **** this country up any further; but as long as Republicans control everything and they will not hold Bush accountable for his **** ups I can not imagine how much deeper we'll sink in the 2 more years they have power.
 
Raziaar said:
Then why do you guys spend ALL of your time bashing bush? Everything is always personally bush's fault. Earthquake? BAM, bush's fault... he didn't provide millions of dollars to the cities hit to reinforce buildings despite the fact that earthquakes are completely random!
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if bush is impeached the neo-cons will be effectively castrated ..at least in the immediate future ..it'll be awhile before they prop another candiadate into office
 
CptStern said:
if bush is impeached the neo-cons will be effectively castrated ..at least in the immediate future ..it'll be awhile before they prop another candiadate into office
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Do you believe he will ever get impeached? How would that happen?
 
The neo-cons hate OPEC... simple. Why let them have national control of their oil supplies and be able to influence price when a crisis could occur in the saudi ruling family that would allow us to take control. Expect Iran, (saudi arabia possibly),columbia and venuezuela in the coming years\decades of the war on terror or bundled with the war on drugs...

Also you can't just blame the government and the administration for their oil-greed. Blame yourself and blame america at large for living a unsustainable lifestyle, particularily suburbia and crazy consumer spending habits.

Oil is a blessing and a curse at the same time. Nobody likes war but its inevitable (sp) when the lifeblood of industrial nations is oil and it starts to become more scarce. The middle east will be the battleground of the next few decades as it has decade(s) before its oil supplies peak.

Let there be war...
 
I agree with aerotripper, from an economic stand point that is their motive, and if it envolves immense effort to bend public opinion, It will happen.

World war 3 has already started, its an energy control war, In the shoes of corporate oil whoever wins gets to dictate the price to the world for a while to come, and more importantly along with that.. have immense influence on the direction we are all taking into the future, who ever loses .. gets to wear the nappies, Its all no short of ruthless corporate criminal's operating in broad daylight right under our nose in the smoke screen of their loyal media.
 
Oil prices are nowhere NEAR bad enough right now...

I'm glad I rarely ever use the stuff, gasoline, etc. Mainly the only oil byproducts I use come in the form of plastics and stuff.
 
aeroripper said:
The neo-cons hate OPEC... simple. Why let them have national control of their oil supplies and be able to influence price when a crisis could occur in the saudi ruling family that would allow us to take control. Expect Iran, (saudi arabia possibly),columbia and venuezuela in the coming years\decades of the war on terror or bundled with the war on drugs...

Also you can't just blame the government and the administration for their oil-greed. Blame yourself and blame america at large for living a unsustainable lifestyle, particularily suburbia and crazy consumer spending habits.

Oil is a blessing and a curse at the same time. Nobody likes war but its inevitable (sp) when the lifeblood of industrial nations is oil and it starts to become more scarce. The middle east will be the battleground of the next few decades as it has decade(s) before its oil supplies peak.

Let there be war...
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AMEN, brother!!!
 
I can't believe people are actually using oil as a rationale for killing millions of people. Seriously, how many of you have the neocons sucked in?

Russia, Venezuela, and many other of our allies produce enough oil to keep us going. This war was based on nothing more than greed. Since Bush took office Cheney's stock in Halliburton has increased by 3600%; when the **** will you people wake up and start paying attention?
 
No Limit, your the 1337est Motha PIIP at these forums, i think exakly what you think. Im swedish but am going to American school...infact, im going to one of their Dodeas school, which is an Air Force military Base in Italy (american) and i gota tell you that i hear crazy stuff all time. These americans are real fuktards. I have read letters from Bush himself in this school, and there are even classes here forcing the students to join the army. They get fooled, tricked into it. Its called "JROTC", they get their nice costume and shhit, and they have to march and do silly stuff, and if they dont do it, the teacher can slap em. Im not American so im not allowed in that class, but i gota tell you guys...the American school here is full with Bush worshiping fuuktards....they even told me that Martin Luther was CRAP...so now they are racist to...

I always thought Americas government was crrap, but now i have proff, going to one of their finest military schools. Ugh..disgusting, how can these bulldogs lead a country?
 
No Limit said:
I can't believe people are actually using oil as a rationale for killing millions of people. Seriously, how many of you have the neocons sucked in?

Russia, Venezuela, and many other of our allies produce enough oil to keep us going. This war was based on nothing more than greed. Since Bush took office Cheney's stock in Halliburton has increased by 3600%; when the **** will you people wake up and start paying attention?
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There is never too much oil!

Thing is that the USA fuc*ed up the world in a relatively short time, now you'll get fu**ed in a relatively short time...what goes up, must come down!
Yes, you may have homless and unemployed people...but look at russia, ukraine, romania, afganistan, iraq,...you are just spoiled fu*ks, who need a lesson, and bush is the answer! I'm not saying that i agree with him, but i don't mind as well!

No limit...what are you going to do about it? You are just as spoiled and lazy as most of them...telling other people to act while you just wank off!?! Why don't you drive a bicycle instead of your car? Do you have air conditioning? Greedy bastards as bush in the long term bring higher living standards! Wait till iraq stabilizes...then when everything is calm you will slowly notice the benefits! Yes lots of the profits will go to the richest, but eventualy they'll have to do something with that money...maybe they'll invent something new like an automatic ass wiping machine and everyone will be happy again! Do you really think those democratic presidents of yours werent greedy?! Your best chanse is try to get rich and have someone like bush in place! If wou'd win 1 million dollars, would you give it all to charity??? Of course not, few people would!

And another thing...you americans don't realize that civil rights shouldn't be taken for granted...and now when they are being bashed you don't know how to act!
 
jverne said:
There is never too much oil!

Thing is that the USA fuc*ed up the world in a relatively short time, now you'll get fu**ed in a relatively short time...what goes up, must come down!
Yes, you may have homless and unemployed people...but look at russia, ukraine, romania, afganistan, iraq,...you are just spoiled fu*ks, who need a lesson, and bush is the answer! I'm not saying that i agree with him, but i don't mind as well!

No limit...what are you going to do about it? You are just as spoiled and lazy as most of them...telling other people to act while you just wank off!?! Why don't you drive a bicycle instead of your car? Do you have air conditioning? Greedy bastards as bush in the long term bring higher living standards! Wait till iraq stabilizes...then when everything is calm you will slowly notice the benefits! Yes lots of the profits will go to the richest, but eventualy they'll have to do something with that money...maybe they'll invent something new like an automatic ass wiping machine and everyone will be happy again! Do you really think those democratic presidents of yours werent greedy?! Your best chanse is try to get rich and have someone like bush in place! If wou'd win 1 million dollars, would you give it all to charity??? Of course not, few people would!

And another thing...you americans don't realize that civil rights shouldn't be taken for granted...and now when they are being bashed you don't know how to act!
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Read this people and remember it in 06 and 08 when you vote; this is exactly how Bush and the neocons all around him think (judging from the spelling thats probably good old dubya posting). As long as we get richer in the end we can kill who ever the **** we please; thats the culture of life. I don't need to dignify your post with a more detailed response.
 
No Limit said:
Read this people and remember it in 06 and 08 when you vote; this is exactly how Bush and the neocons all around him think (judging from the spelling thats probably good old dubya posting). As long as we get richer in the end we can kill who ever the **** we please; thats the culture of life. I don't need to dignify your post with a more detailed response.
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So you're Jesus Christ...or something?
 
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