Canadian Election: Jan 23

[Llama]

Anyone but the conservatives :bonce:

 

[IonizeMyAtoms]

The BLOC exists as Québec's "watchdog" at Ottawa. For example, they protect the 101 law whenever Ottawa tries to destroy it or weaken it.
They fought against the c20 law (wich was never recognized and accepted by neither the PQ or the Québec Liberals, as it is an anti democratic law).

Also keep in mind that when the next referendum will pass, having a presence in Ottawa (in the form of the BLOC) will surely help us being recognized a Nation by Canada.

Anyways, that question made no sense, because we all knows those crooked Liberals only care about Ontario, As a Canadian, do you want a government that only cares about Ontario?

It's not I want a governement that only cares about Québec (But i wouldn't mind it either), it's that Québec needs its own voice at Ottawa.



I don't consider myself Canadian, and I have no attachement towards Canada and its obsolete symbols. But i'll answer the question anyways.

Seeing as the Liberals only care about Ontario, the Conservatives only care about the prairies, I fail to see wich government would support every province?

And it's not like the BLOC does nothing at the commons, they are very active in Canada's federal politics. They supported the gay marriage law (wich probably wouldn't have passed without them).

So, of course, The BLOC is getting my vote, in fact i'm even getting my membership card.

And by the way, why does no one talk about the western block party? Seems like Canada pisses off everyone, except for Ontarians, that is...

We all know Liberals only care about Ontario? Conservatives, the prairies?
I'm just curious, where you're getting these facts?

 

[Revisedsoul]

We all know Liberals only care about Ontario? Conservatives, the prairies?
I'm just curious, where you're getting these facts?

Federalist propaganda at its purest form!

 

[dream431ca]

Please canadians don't fight.

Your all so nice, and your countries so pretty

Sorry bud. When it comes to election time Canadians turn into hell demons. Politics in this country are so wound up tight, and this election is the biggest one in recent years...and the most disturbing one.

 

[BirdMan]

EXACTLY
Even as a Quebecois (sp?), do you really want someone in power who cares only about Quebec? As a Canadian, wouldn't you want someone who supports every province?

As chimpmunk said, we vote for the BLOC only to have a strong opposition at the gouv (and also to promote sovreignety-association but this concerns only Quebecers) because only Montreal's english sectors and big capitalists business vote for liberals, the rest of quebec mainly vote for the Bloc, as we feel they are the best to represent Quebec even if some Bloc voters don't even want sovreignety. And also, like chimpmunk said (again), I don't consider myself Canadian. I live in Canada, but I'm a Québecois. But I'm not going into this Quebec VS Canada thing again. If you want to know what sovreignety implies, read my post:Here

 

[chimpmunk]

We all know Liberals only care about Ontario? Conservatives, the prairies?
I'm just curious, where you're getting these facts?

The BLOC only cares about Québec?
I'm just curious, where you're getting these facts?

EDIT: The bloc has taken the Lead in the poll. That's a good thing.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

As chimpmunk said, we vote for the BLOC only to have a strong opposition at the gouv (and also to promote sovreignety-association but this concerns only Quebecers) because only Montreal's english sectors and big capitalists business vote for liberals, the rest of quebec mainly vote for the Bloc, as we feel they are the best to represent Quebec even if some Bloc voters don't even want sovreignety. And also, like chimpmunk said (again), I don't consider myself Canadian. I live in Canada, but I'm a Québecois. But I'm not going into this Quebec VS Canada thing again. If you want to know what sovreignety implies, read my post:Here

hey...i don't pretend to know what the majority of Quebec wants and yeah, chipmunk and urself are representing those who want to separate but i have met people in Quebec who do not like the idea of separation too.
as much as the two of u may want to pass on the idea that the majority want separation, only a vote can show that.

frankly i think this is money wasted on elections.
there was a minority government and thats the way it needs to be to keep everyone in-check but apparently, some politicians are too god damn dense to know that.

 

[TheLastFreeMan]

The BLOC exists as Québec's "watchdog" at Ottawa. For example, they protect the 101 law whenever Ottawa tries to destroy it or weaken it.
They fought against the c20 law (wich was never recognized and accepted by neither the PQ or the Québec Liberals, as it is an anti democratic law).

Also keep in mind that when the next referendum will pass, having a presence in Ottawa (in the form of the BLOC) will surely help us being recognized a Nation by Canada.

Anyways, that question made no sense, because we all knows those crooked Liberals only care about Ontario, As a Canadian, do you want a government that only cares about Ontario?

It's not I want a governement that only cares about Québec (But i wouldn't mind it either), it's that Québec needs its own voice at Ottawa.



I don't consider myself Canadian, and I have no attachement towards Canada and its obsolete symbols. But i'll answer the question anyways.

Seeing as the Liberals only care about Ontario, the Conservatives only care about the prairies, I fail to see wich government would support every province?

And it's not like the BLOC does nothing at the commons, they are very active in Canada's federal politics. They supported the gay marriage law (wich probably wouldn't have passed without them).

So, of course, The BLOC is getting my vote, in fact i'm even getting my membership card.

And by the way, why does no one talk about the western block party? Seems like Canada pisses off everyone, except for Ontarians, that is...

I'm form montreal quebec. I don't uderstand why so many of us quebecers vote block what do we plan on accomplishing by voting bloc. All the bloc does is keep the gouvernment from being majority. I didn't see the bloc having this much power and votes when chretien was in charge. Wait a minute, chretien was one of us picistes thats why he won. The Liberals are gonna win the vote anyway and where gonna have another minority gouvernment. The best thing for canada and the next time we will have a majority gouvernment is when we have a french canadian liberal prime minister.

 

[BirdMan]

hey...i don't pretend to know what the majority of Quebec wants and yeah, chipmunk and urself are representing those who want to separate but i have met people in Quebec who do not like the idea of separation too.
as much as the two of u may want to pass on the idea that the majority want separation, only a vote can show that.

I didn't say that the majority wanted to seperate, I was just saying the the movement is growing stronger. The ratio is like 45% for seperation and 55% for staying.. But that was I think like a year ago when I saw the poll. Right now it must be close to 50-50 but we'll never know for sure until the next referendum. So i believe you when you say that you met some quebecers who didn't want to seperate. Even some of my close friends are against it. We had a project at my college where we had to do a poll with a small part of the college about the sovreignety. And these were the results: out of 200 asked, 92 were positive for sovreignety, 77 against it and 31 undecided / don't care. This is just a clue but it is biaised cause my college is pretty lefty and politically active (unlike the rest of quebec ). But we also had that poll at the begining of the year, in every politics class. out of 92 politics students 82 turned out to be for sovreignety and 10 were against.

This led us to the conclusions that mostly those who are politically active care more for sovreignety that those who are not. This might be biaised, but I think at a certain extent, it's true.

 

[Canadian Gunner]

You guys do realise how messed up Canada (and Quebèc for that matter) would be if Quebèc left, right?

 

[dream431ca]

You guys do realise how messed up Canada (and Quebèc for that matter) would be if Quebèc left, right?

Well..if Quebec really did seperate, then all the Canadian Companies would move out of Quebec. It would really screw our relations with a lot of countries...but I don't think that would happen anytime soon.

 

[Raziaar]

I don't know enough about the canadian parties to know where to throw my vote.

 

[chimpmunk]

Well..if Quebec really did seperate, then all the Canadian Companies would move out of Quebec.

Pure nonsense!

You think any company is gonna give up a market of 8 million people (in wich they already have a presence) in the name of patriotism?

I'm no economist, but I fail to see how or why it would happen this way.
Simply put, Canada as more to lose than Québec, a lot more.

I remember in Secondary 4, my history teacher told us why Canada wanted to keep Québec in the confederacy so much. Because without Québec, Canada almost nothing more than USA's backyard (well, culturally speaking).

In Canada, the 10 most popular TV shows are american. In Québec, the 10 most watched TV shows are made in Québec.
In Québec, Less than 90% of the movies in theater are American, this may seem like it's still a lot of american movies but it's in fact exceptional. Canadian movies occupy less than 10% of the Canadian Theater market, same goes with France, Germany, etc...
Same goes with the music industry, Canada produced some good bands (I'm quite fond of the Barenaked ladies) but in the end, top 10 sellers in Canda are AMERICAN.
You see where I'me going? Québec helps Canada being different than the US, a lot.
(I'm not a lot into Canadian movies, but could anyone tell me when was the last time the Number one movie at the box office was a canadian movie?)

You can disagree, but you cannot say there's no truth to this.

 

[chimpmunk]

Delete This Please.

 

[chimpmunk]

I'm form montreal quebec. I don't uderstand why so many of us quebecers vote block what do we plan on accomplishing by voting bloc. All the bloc does is keep the gouvernment from being majority. I didn't see the bloc having this much power and votes when chretien was in charge. Wait a minute, chretien was one of us picistes thats why he won. The Liberals are gonna win the vote anyway and where gonna have another minority gouvernment. The best thing for canada and the next time we will have a majority gouvernment is when we have a french canadian liberal prime minister.

Chrétien only wanted to crush Québec, I don't see how this could have been good in any way.
When I think of Chrétien, I think of the c20 law and attempts at destroying the 101 law.

The idea of voting for the BLOC is not to raise them to power, it's to make sure someone at Ottawa is there to watch and protect Québec from the confederacy.

 

[BirdMan]

Well..if Quebec really did seperate, then all the Canadian Companies would move out of Quebec. It would really screw our relations with a lot of countries...but I don't think that would happen anytime soon.

I personnaly don't think so. Please have a look at my post:here . We saw with the 1995 referendum that the only company who moved out left because of globalisation of free market not cause of sovreignety.

You guys do realise how messed up Canada (and Quebèc for that matter) would be if Quebèc left, right?

This is why the separatist movement is caleld Sovreignety-ASSOCIATION. It's called like this because if we separate, we will still have very close links with canada to prevent economic crashes or big problems in the coming years after the sovreignety. If things are done well with the RESPECT of Canada in our democratic choice of becoming a country, then things will go very well for both of us and could be the end of the war between Canada and Quebec and might as well become great trading partners.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

This is why the separatist movement is caleld Sovreignety-ASSOCIATION. It's called like this because if we separate, we will still have very close links with canada to prevent economic crashes or big problems in the coming years after the sovreignety. If things are done well with the RESPECT of Canada in our democratic choice of becoming a country, then things will go very well for both of us and could be the end of the war between Canada and Quebec and might as well become great trading partners.

i did not want to turn this thread into a Quebec vs Canada thread seeing as theres already one but hey...if there is a vote on separation, i hope Canada keeps no ties with Quebec for the same reasons why separatists want a nation of their own...i mean if these individuals don't feel they are part of Canada, why should they still be associated with Canada in any way after a separation?

also, one final thing i am gonna say about separation in this thread: sure majority wins in votes but seeing as close as the referendum(sp?) was previous and of course being well documented how a new vote would be pretty close as well...i'd hate to see those who want to be part of Canada forced to move because of a 1% difference in favour of separation.

 

[Canadian Gunner]

If things are done well with the RESPECT of Canada

I think this is where the problem is. I seriously doubt it would go well, as Canada would loose a great deal of its land etc, not to mention cutting off the maritimes. I agree that Quebèc's society is very diferent from the rest of Canada's, but to just leave and expect the same economic ties is pushing it a bit. But hey, I'm generally pessimistic when it comes to most things. Its interesting how the western provinces wish to seperate too. I can tell this is going to an interesting century.

Edit: I didn't notice Dr. Freeman's post, back on subject. NDP ftw.

 

[pvtbones]

Pure nonsense!

You think any company is gonna give up a market of 8 million people (in wich they already have a presence) in the name of patriotism?

I'm no economist, but I fail to see how or why it would happen this way.
Simply put, Canada as more to lose than Québec, a lot more.

I remember in Secondary 4, my history teacher told us why Canada wanted to keep Québec in the confederacy so much. Because without Québec, Canada almost nothing more than USA's backyard (well, culturally speaking).

In Canada, the 10 most popular TV shows are american. In Québec, the 10 most watched TV shows are made in Québec.
In Québec, Less than 90% of the movies in theater are American, this may seem like it's still a lot of american movies but it's in fact exceptional. Canadian movies occupy less than 10% of the Canadian Theater market, same goes with France, Germany, etc...
Same goes with the music industry, Canada produced some good bands (I'm quite fond of the Barenaked ladies) but in the end, top 10 sellers in Canda are AMERICAN.
You see where I'me going? Québec helps Canada being different than the US, a lot.
(I'm not a lot into Canadian movies, but could anyone tell me when was the last time the Number one movie at the box office was a canadian movie?)

You can disagree, but you cannot say there's no truth to this.

it's not some much patriotism but number of workers, whats 8 million (give or take) compared to the rest of canada?

on the topic of media, who cares where the show is from, if it's a good show it's a good show, doesn't matter if it's from Europe (benny hill ftw), Japan, Canada, or the US. also the US speaks English and Spanish, of course they are going to be less popular in Quebec, if we were beside france for example we would have more shows in french coming from across the border, this is a moot point.

and what about Quebec practically blackmailing the government to get it's way (do you really need me to pull of sources?) by crying "separation!!" or claiming to be put down by the man.

 

[chimpmunk]

it's not some much patriotism but number of workers, whats 8 million (give or take) compared to the rest of canada?

on the topic of media, who cares where the show is from, if it's a good show it's a good show, doesn't matter if it's from Europe (benny hill ftw), Japan, Canada, or the US. also the US speaks English and Spanish, of course they are going to be less popular in Quebec, if we were beside france for example we would have more shows in french coming from across the border, this is a moot point.

and what about Quebec practically blackmailing the government to get it's way (do you really need me to pull of sources?) by crying "separation!!" or claiming to be put down by the man.

I was not talking about Québec's workforce, but its place as a potential market.
A lot of Ontarian and Northen american companies have interests in Québec, either as a market, site of production, name it. You can't just expect them to pull out, that's a dumb move for those business.

About the media, I, for one, care where it's from. I would not call this a moot point as it is (to me eyes) a very important point. How do you define a Canadian then if not by culture? By blood? By Land?
What makes a people a people is mostly that, culture and history.
Unless Dog Sleighing becomes the next hot trend in Toronto, I have a hard time telling an American from a Canadian.

As for Québec Blackmailing the governement, it's laughable. Do you expect Québec to give up on its interests just to make the other provinces happy?
It works the same way the other way around, think of the lake meech accord or the return of the constitution, who has not been signed by Québec even to now!
Ottawa always has two choices, pleasing Canada or Pleasing Québec. Simply put, Québec does not "fit" into the confederacy and ought to be its own, self ruling, republic. As long as Québec will be in Canada, Canadian provinces will be pissed at Ottawa for giving something to Québec or Québec will be mad at Canada for not having what it (rightfully) wants.

 

[chimpmunk]

i did not want to turn this thread into a Quebec vs Canada thread seeing as theres already one but hey...if there is a vote on separation, i hope Canada keeps no ties with Quebec for the same reasons why separatists want a nation of their own...i mean if these individuals don't feel they are part of Canada, why should they still be associated with Canada in any way after a separation?

The association Birdman talks so much about is mostly economic, you're from Ontario aren't you? Do you realize how much jobs would be lost if Canada was to cut economic ties with Québec?

also, one final thing i am gonna say about separation in this thread: sure majority wins in votes but seeing as close as the referendum(sp?) was previous and of course being well documented how a new vote would be pretty close as well...i'd hate to see those who want to be part of Canada forced to move because of a 1% difference in favour of separation.

What about the other half, wich wants to be freed from Canada? What about them?
That was an illogical argument.
If they like confederacy so much, they're free to go live in Canada.
Anyways, except for those ethnocentrics/racist/French hating/unilingual west-islanders, no one would move out.

 

[pvtbones]

If they like confederacy so much, they're free to go live in Canada.

you continuiously claim you have no connection to Canada so why don you move? and don't give us that bull about being loyal to quebec because newflash Quebec is a part of canada. I'm sure france will be happy to take you.

 

[dream431ca]

you continuiously claim you have no connection to Canada so why don you move? and don't give us that bull about being loyal to quebec because newflash Quebec is a part of canada. I'm sure france will be happy to take you.

No. France does not support Quebec.

 

[chimpmunk]

No. France does not support Quebec.

Well, Except for De Gaule, The french Socialist Party and Chirac who supported Parizeau for the 1995 referendum. Jean Paul Sartre also supported Québec.

But maybe this is not enough? After all, it's not like those persons had power in the french society or were high esteemed intellectuals... Oh wait, they are (were)!

 

[dream431ca]

Well, Except for De Gaule, The french Socialist Party and Chirac who supported Parizeau for the 1995 referendum. Jean Paul Sartre also supported Québec.

But maybe this is not enough? After all, it's not like those persons had power in the french society or were high esteemed intellectuals... Oh wait, they are (were)!

So, you believe that France will support you (as a seperate country) if you decide to seperate?? I think not.

 

[chimpmunk]

you continuiously claim you have no connection to Canada so why don you move? and don't give us that bull about being loyal to quebec because newflash Quebec is a part of canada. I'm sure france will be happy to take you.

Some blind patriot is getting pissed here.

First, let me remind that, FOR CENTURIES, French canadians (and all canadians for that matter) tried to rework the confederacy so it becomes just and equitable. It never really worked, as you can tell by looking at the History of Canada. I'm sure you don't need exemples as you know about your oh so beloved country's history enough, right?
So, then, let met get this straight, you are AGAINST the right to SELF DERMINATION of PEOPLES? Is that how it goes for you?
I'm sure you won't want to answer to that, as we can guess your answer... HINT: You're not a really democratic person.

Also, to most regards, Québec IS a nation, altought it is not an INDEPENDANT state YET.

Here's some reading for you:

http://english.republiquelibre.org/a-few-important-facts.html

http://english.republiquelibre.org/faq.html

http://english.republiquelibre.org/myths-and-fallacies.html

Now, it's time to go to school.

 

[chimpmunk]

So, you believe that France will support you (as a seperate country) if you decide to seperate?? I think not.

Unless what you think has any influence on the French National Assembly, you'd better elaborate or stop making stuff up.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Well, Except for De Gaule, The french Socialist Party and Chirac who supported Parizeau for the 1995 referendum. Jean Paul Sartre also supported Québec.

But maybe this is not enough? After all, it's not like those persons had power in the french society or were high esteemed intellectuals... Oh wait, they are (were)!

great!
since according to u, thats true, u can move there than.
if any individuals do not feel part of Canada whether they are in Quebec, Ontario or any other province, they can leave to where-ever they would feel a part of a country.
nobody is holding anyone captive here, if u don't feel part of the country, u can leave to find that feeling some other place.

 

[chimpmunk]

great!
since according to u, thats true, u can move there than.
if any individuals do not feel part of Canada whether they are in Quebec, Ontario or any other province, they can leave to where-ever they would feel a part of a country.
nobody is holding anyone captive here, if u don't feel part of the country, u can leave to find that feeling some other place.

What a stupid "argument" U are using.

It's obvious you do not understand that Québec is a Nation already (though not a sovereign state, as I said earlier) and is composed of a different people than Canada.
I don't want to live in France, I wanna live in a free Québec because that's the nation I belong to.

 

[dream431ca]

Unless what you think has any influence on the French National Assembly, you'd better elaborate or stop making stuff up.

You misuderstood me..I am asking you what you think. And I could care less about the French National Assembly! WE LIVE IN CANADA!! THINK MORE ABOUT CANADA THAN THE FRENCH NATIONAL ASSEMBLY!!! Trust me....If quebec seperates, there is no way that you would be better off than you are now. Canada is trying so hard to help Quebec and all that Quebec does is turn it's back on Canada. And I'm not making anything up. Basically, the french WILL NOT support Quebec!! Don't you remember 1995?? The latest referendum?? The French president was on Larry King live talking about what would happen if Quebec seperated from Canada. Quebec wanted France to step in afterwards. LOOK AT FRANCE NOW!! France is in Chaos. I think you better be making smarter decisions in the future..remeber...you're in charge of your own demise and not Canada.

It's obvious you do not understand that Québec is a Nation already (though not a sovereign state, as I said earlier) and is composed of a different people than Canada.
I don't want to live in France, I wanna live in a free Québec because that's the nation I belong to.

Quebec is hardly a Nation! It's your choice to live in a so called "Free" Quebec. Free meaning seperate right?? Your "Nation" will never last 3 months on it's own.

 

[chimpmunk]

You misuderstood me..I am asking you what you think. And I could care less about the French National Assembly! WE LIVE IN CANADA!! THINK MORE ABOUT CANADA THAN THE FRENCH NATIONAL ASSEMBLY!!! Trust me....If quebec seperates, there is no way that you would be better off than you are now. Canada is trying so hard to help Quebec and all that Quebec does is turn it's back on Canada. And I'm not making anything up. Basically, the french WILL NOT support Quebec!! Don't you remember 1995?? The latest referendum?? The French president was on Larry King live talking about what would happen if Quebec seperated from Canada. Quebec wanted France to step in afterwards. LOOK AT FRANCE NOW!! France is in Chaos. I think you better be making smarter decisions in the future..remeber...you're in charge of your own demise and not Canada.

Québec wanted france to "step in"? If you meant that Québec would be under french that's the first time I hear such a crazy idea and I found nothing on Google supporting this.

The riots in France had nothing to do with Québec's independance and have no influence on it. Those are two unrelated events.

Ha ha! Our demise? You are so dramatic. It's so funny though how Federalists sound more scared than Indenpendatists... Is it because they are losing again? Because they have no true arguments?

Quebec is hardly a Nation! It's your choice to live in a so called "Free" Quebec. Free meaning seperate right?? Your "Nation" will never last 3 months on it's own.

#

Québec is a nation in the sociological and political meaning of the word. In the English language, nation comes from Old French nation which itself comes from Latin natio which means "to be born". This word is unfortunately vague for it can designate different ideas or concepts. Nation can mean a people or a nationality which is a human group who shares some or all of the following attributes: customs, culture, religion, institutions, language and history. That is the United Nations's definition at least. A more modern definition is the political nation, a human group that is politically organized under a single government, i.e. the government represents the whole people. These two definitions are not in contradiction with each other; as a matter of fact, they often complement one another: you typically have a nation (people) under a national government (state) for example.

For centuries, the Jews were a stateless nation persecuted all over the Earth because they were considered a dangerous minority in every country they settled. After the horrors of the Second World War, the Jews were given a state of their own, Israel, and today there is a solid Jewish majority able to govern itself democratically in this country. For as long as the state of Israel stands, there will be a dynamic living Jewish community in the world, contributing to our planet's richness and diversity. Quebecers are like the Israelites. French Canadians are like the Jews. But the comparison stops there of course. French Canadians are better compared to another famous persecuted people: the Irish.

Another meaning of the word nation in English is an independent country. Often, people will say that Québec is not a nation, meaning that it is not an independent country and in fact is just a province, a federated state. They are absolutely right on this. That is precisely why there is an independence movement in Québec.

http://english.republiquelibre.org/a-few-important-facts.html

So that makes it clear on how Québec IS a nation and how it IS NOT a nation.

That nation will last longer than the Canadian confederacy, I 1000% positive on this. Just ask the western independantists...

 

[Revisedsoul]

French Canadians are like the Jews.

last i knew, the liberals wern't shoving you in ovens

 

[chimpmunk]

"Like the Jews" refered to the times the Jews did not have a State of their own, they were a people without a country, so are the Québecers.

But you understood that already, didn't you?

 

[Revisedsoul]

yes i did.

but the reason the jews were given thier state to govern were because of being persicuted all over the worldand being stateless,but mainly because of ww2. now it seems like your saying that quebecers have been prosicuted like the jews have over time. which seems like an over exageration. thats all

 

[chimpmunk]

The "degree" of persecution is irrevelant (people X has been more persecuted than people Y).

The point is that Québecers have been and still are persecuted despite our repeated efforts to rework the confederacy.
A basic history of Canada class proves my point.

 

[Solaris]

great!
since according to u, thats true, u can move there than.
if any individuals do not feel part of Canada whether they are in Quebec, Ontario or any other province, they can leave to where-ever they would feel a part of a country.
nobody is holding anyone captive here, if u don't feel part of the country, u can leave to find that feeling some other place.

No, No.
You can do better than that, much better.
Come on, you call that an argument?

 

[The Mullinator]

The "degree" of persecution is irrevelant (people X has been more persecuted than people Y).

The point is that Québecers have been and still are persecuted despite our repeated efforts to rework the confederacy.
A basic history of Canada class proves my point.

What persecution is Québec currently recieving? You pay the same taxes as the rest of Canada. French is the main language that is spoken and people, companies, and government are all encouraged to speak it. Canadian corporations are given incentives to place headquarters in Québec to create jobs. Entire industries in the rest of Canada are forcefully limited by the government to ensure Québec maintains a stranglehold on them. French is taught in every province in Canada even when there are no french communities anywhere near. We are encouraged (at least here in Ontario) to visit Québec all the time by both school and government.

 

[Revisedsoul]

The "degree" of persecution is irrevelant (people X has been more persecuted than people Y).

The point is that Québecers have been and still are persecuted despite our repeated efforts to rework the confederacy.
A basic history of Canada class proves my point.

well if its that far, why dont you give quebec back to the natives

 

[chimpmunk]

well if its that far, why dont you give quebec back to the natives

Why don't you give north and south America back to their native people then?

If fail to see the point you are trying to make.

 

[chimpmunk]

What persecution is Québec currently recieving? You pay the same taxes as the rest of Canada. French is the main language that is spoken and people, companies, and government are all encouraged to speak it. Canadian corporations are given incentives to place headquarters in Québec to create jobs. Entire industries in the rest of Canada are forcefully limited by the government to ensure Québec maintains a stranglehold on them. French is taught in every province in Canada even when there are no french communities anywhere near. We are encouraged (at least here in Ontario) to visit Québec all the time by both school and government.

Well, removing civil rights in Québec in the 70's (the "war" measures) was something I'd qualify as beyond persecution, as it is more akin to a Dictatorship.
Canadians refusing to acknowledge Québec as distinct people (the failure of the lake meech accord).
The C20 law wich is biased to make it almost impossible for Québec to free itself from Canada (fortunatly, neither the PQ or the Québec Liberals recognized that law as valid).

Bill C-20 stipulates that an absolute majority of votes on sovereignty, that is 50% +1 vote, no longer holds as an interpretation of the democratic principle. If the YES option wins a referendum on sovereignty in Quebec, the federal government will consider whether the majority of Yes voters is sufficiently high enough. So Yes voters do not have the same importance as No voters. The rules of the game that made the No side win with a small margin in 1995 no longer hold for the next referendum. The rules of the game that were valid for Newfoundland’s inclusion in the federation in 1948 (the vote had been of 52%), are no longer valid if a province wishes to leave.

http://pages.infinit.net/mseymour/apage/cambridge.html

As for the "Canada is a bilingual country" argument. It's not true. Bilingualism only exists to ensure Canadians living in Québec have access to services in English.
Maybe french is thaught in Canada, But english is thaught in Québec too even when there are no english communities near. I don't care if Canadians speak french or not, it does not even matter! The idea is to free ourselves from a centralised unilingual (maybe not on paper but it in fact IS unilingual) confederation wich does not recognize us as a distinct people!