Canadian Election: Jan 23

[The Mullinator]

Well, removing civil rights in Québec in the 70's (the "war" measures) was something I'd qualify as beyond persecution, as it is more akin to a Dictatorship.
Canadians refusing to acknowledge Québec as distinct people (the failure of the lake meech accord).
The C20 law wich is biased to make it almost impossible for Québec to free itself from Canada (fortunatly, neither the PQ or the Québec Liberals recognized that law as valid).

War measures act is in the past. Just like Canada's persecution of Japanese during WW2. Are you trying to flee the past because you are still bitter about it? Live in the present, not the past.

Not sure how you got the idea that Canadians are refusing the acknowledge Québec as having distinct people considering we are encouraged to visit Québec specifically to experience the unique culture. Refusing to acknowledge that the people of Québec are distinct enough to be part of a seperate country is something totally different.

As for C20 I also don't see how that is persecution for Québecers considering the fact that it applies to any province that may wish to seperate from Canada. Something which in recent years and involving Alberta has been becomming a distinct possibility.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

No, No.
You can do better than that, much better.
Come on, you call that an argument?

i am not calling it an arguement...infact i want whats best for Canada, which is for all the separatist talk to just go away.
hey, if i was unhappy living in Canada and did not feel Canadian for whatever reasons, it would be in my best interests to find a place where i do feel more a part of a country so im not suggesting anything i wouldn't do.

 

[chimpmunk]

i am not calling it an arguement...infact i want whats best for Canada, which is for all the separatist talk to just go away.
hey, if i was unhappy living in Canada and did not feel Canadian for whatever reasons, it would be in my best interests to find a place where i do feel more a part of a country so im not suggesting anything i wouldn't do.

What if a people felt alienated in the nation it lives and wanted to have own its nation? Isn't it the good thing to do?
It's like you are saying: I want what's for good for Canada, it doesn't matter if it's not good for Québec or anyone else. That's just blind patriotism.

So, following your logic, Chechenyans(SP?) are doing what's bad for Russia and are, in fact, the evil guys trying to "break" a country?
Does the same go for Algeria? What about the USA? I mean they did not do what was good for the British empire. I mean, all those people should have just moved, right?

 

[chimpmunk]

War measures act is in the past. Just like Canada's persecution of Japanese during WW2. Are you trying to flee the past because you are still bitter about it? Live in the present, not the past.

Not sure how you got the idea that Canadians are refusing the acknowledge Québec as having distinct people considering we are encouraged to visit Québec specifically to experience the unique culture. Refusing to acknowledge that the people of Québec are distinct enough to be part of a seperate country is something totally different.

As for C20 I also don't see how that is persecution for Québecers considering the fact that it applies to any province that may wish to seperate from Canada. Something which in recent years and involving Alberta has been becomming a distinct possibility.

The war measures a thing of the past? We are not talking about the British supressing the justified revolution of 1837, we are talking about something that happened some 30and something years ago!
Hardly a distant past. Of course, if you could find a way to justifiy supressing civil rights in all the province of Québec, tell me! Otherwise, I'll keep seeing another case of the Federal government trying to crush Québec.
Plus, this event (like all the others, in fact) fits just well with Québec's motto, "Je me souviens" (I remember).
I'm not trying to "flee" the past (what the hell does that mean anyways?), I'm saying that French Canadians (and later, Québecers) tried to rework the confederacy for CENTURIES and it never worked. So now it's time to have our own nation where we can be our own masters and answer to no one.

Where did I get that Canada refused to acknowledge Québecers as a distinct people?

In 1987 the government tentatively agreed to a far reaching constitutional amendment at Meech Lake. On June 3, 1987 the Meech Lake Accord was finally approved which provided Quebec with the status of a "distinct society" and the right to preserve and promote that status.
(...)
In 1990 the national debate again shifted back to the Meech Lake Accord and the refusal of two of the ten provinces to ratify the pact resulted in its failure.

http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/canada.htm

And about the Charlottetown Accord:

The accord also contained the "Canada Clause", which sought to codify the values that define the nature of the Canadian character. These values included egalitarianism, diversity, and the recognition of Quebec as a distinct society within Canada.
Perhaps most important, however, the accord also proposed a number of institutional changes that would radically reshape the face of Canadian politics. For example, the composition and the appointment process for the Supreme Court of Canada were to be constitutionally entrenched. Although convention has been that three of the nine Supreme Court justices must be from Quebec due to Quebec's use of civil law rather than English common law, this has never been constitutionally mandated.

And, as you surely know, a Canada wide referendum was held and Canadians voted NO, refusing to acknowledge Québec as a Distinct People.

Preston Manning's fledgling, western-based Reform Party battled the accord in the West, opposing the acknowledgement of Quebec as a distinct society and arguing that Senate reform did not go far enough.

How crazy was I to think Canadians did not acknowledge us as a different people!

The C20 is antidemocratic for ONE reason, it removes us our right to self-determination. All the provinces are to agree if Québec is to leave the confederation? Ottawa also has to agree?
Come on, they only wanted to outlaw independance without having it seem as antidemocratic as it is, Canada only wanted to keep its "democratic" country image while trying to deny Québec its rightfull right to govern itself...