Chavez angered at Mercenaries 2

[DreadLord]

Grand Theft Auto?

It may be bad marketing to sell a game within the United States where the objective is to kill your fellow Americans in battle.

 

[DreadLord]

Also, China and the Middle-east are just as well represented in BF2 as the USMC and EU are.

50% of the time you're killing Americans or Europeans.

 

[Flyingdebris]

knee-jerk idiocy makes my head hurt

so exactly what did i say that was idiotic?


the asswipe part, the being attacked part, or the pot, kettle, black part?
I'm from a Cuban in-exile family, my country of origin was run into the ground by a commie asswipe. I have a +5 racial bonus against commie asswipes.

I'd take the actual venezuelan's perspective on the issue since he knows more about the issues than any of us here.

 

[Jintor]

For example; in GTA3 pretty much all the characters are American, but none are explicitly identified as such, its taken as being in line with the setting. As its taking place in(a fictionalised) America, so any other nationality would be very suprising.

Haitian Gangs, Cuban Gangs, Italian Gangs, Japanese Gangs, Chinese Gangs, Vietnamese Gangs, etc. etc...

 

[SAJ]

Haitian-American Gangs, Cuban-American Gangs, Italian-American Gangs, Japanese-American Gangs, Chinese-American Gangs, Vietnamese-American Gangs, etc. etc...

Fixed.


Not to mention the game is made by Scots.

 

[<RJMC>]

I hope the menbers that was saying "I think he is a hero" can see that they are wrong

chavez is trying to make the people here to hate the USA,for example when USA anounced that is not going to sell military weaponry to venezuela chavez told by a national press conference that "is theyr first plan to invade our nation" and stuff like that

 

[Mechagodzilla]

as saj pointed out it doesnt represent a reality based depiction of the US ..the game by pandemic specifically names real world leaders running real world countries ..had those games you listed used real situations you might have a point

Games as a whole, rarely ever (never?) actually identify a contemporary, non-fictional nation as an enemy.
Even when the countries are real, the enemies are terrorists, corrupt generals staging a coup, criminals or etc.

This game is the first I've heard of that deals with an actual country's legit army - as an enemy in a war that is older than Vietnam.

In any case, the actual anti-heros in question are multi-national mercenaries. Not US agents.

 

[Element Alpha]

I've got a little thing to say about it.

To me, it's obvious that Chavez, or any leader opposing the USA, has every reason to make as much noise as he can.

If we keep the Chavez example, was he as famous as he is now before he started making all his allegations? No he wasn't.

Making all that noise makes it much harder for the USA to throw him over. A more silent president (who would be against US politics) would be thrown over just like that, and nobody would notice, would they?

edit: What I mean is that by defining his ennemy so clearly, Chavez is making sure that if something happens to him, everyone will look in the direction of the USA, so as a matter of public opinion, the USA now has more reasons to make sure nothing happens to him than the opposite (or they would have to make a massive propaganda machine just like they did for Iraq or are doing for Iran).

 

[Raziaar]

So... what... if a political rival of his without ties to the USA assasinates him, all the blame goes on the USA cause of his complaints?

Uh huh.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

So... what... if a political rival of his without ties to the USA assasinates him, all the blame goes on the USA cause of his complaints?

Uh huh.

That's basically the situation Chavez is trying to create.

There have been numerous times when situations that arose in Venezuelan politics or the local economy that the US has no pull in WHATSOEVER and he claimed "It's a US plan to subvert my administration, etc etc"

It's sometimes as absurd as that russian "Americans stole our lake!" thing. There often is pressure on Chavez from the US, and rightly so, but every time someone opposes him and gets attention he portrays it as US backed goons trying to interfere in Venezuela's business, even though they're home grown movements against his oppressive measures.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Games like GTA and The Getaway are also bad examples for the reason that they depict the 'bad people', the criminals, who most governments are against anyway.

However, loads of games have the US government as its big evil enemy. Half-Life, Metal Gear Solid and Syphon Filter immediately come to mind. It doesn't matter if the actual fault is with some 'shadow government' - it's still the government, and it's generally a very thinly veiled indictment against the authority itself. In MGS2, America is controlled by the malignant ghosts of old presidents, the embodiments of the past, who think they are the right beings to control the world and determine what people should think and feel.

Sound familiar?

 

[Remus]

Oooo conspiracy theory anyone?

 

[SAJ]

Games as a whole, rarely ever (never?) actually identify a contemporary, non-fictional nation as an enemy.
Even when the countries are real, the enemies are terrorists, corrupt generals staging a coup, criminals or etc.

It really depends on the genre, if you take all games published, then yes it is quite rare.
However, when you look at the wargame/simulator genre, the indentification of real life - that is to say non fictionalised - antagonists becomes very commonplace.


edit ;

In MGS2, America is controlled by the malignant ghosts of old presidents, the embodiments of the past, who think they are the right beings to control the world and determine what people should think and feel.

Isnt metal gear a Japanese product ?

 

[CptStern]

Games like GTA and The Getaway are also bad examples for the reason that they depict the 'bad people', the criminals, who most governments are against anyway.

However, loads of games have the US government as its big evil enemy. Half-Life, Metal Gear Solid and Syphon Filter immediately come to mind. It doesn't matter if the actual fault is with some 'shadow government' - it's still the government, and it's generally a very thinly veiled indictment against the authority itself. In MGS2, America is controlled by the malignant ghosts of old presidents, the embodiments of the past, who think they are the right beings to control the world and determine what people should think and feel.

Sound familiar?

ya but that's not the same thing ..if they specifically named Bush or Reagan or what have you and painted them as evil despots bent on world domination then you'd have a point ..but they never use real world american leaders or situations ..it's always an alternate reality ...makes you wonder why pandemic didnt do the same


btw this isnt the first time this sort of things happened ..Ghost Recon 2/Korea, Socom 3/bangladesh, Quebec separatists/Syphon Filter 3, Mexico/ghost recon Advanced warfighter

 

[Sulkdodds]

I doubt Mercenaries 2 will use a real leader or regime either. The original had a rogue, mad despot taking over North Korea from his (peaceful) father. They were very careful.

Considering the game was in 2012 or something, that means they were implying the Korea of now is lovely and safe.

 

[CptStern]

I doubt Mercenaries 2 will use a real leader or regime either. The original had a rogue, mad despot taking over North Korea from his (peaceful) father. They were very careful.

Considering the game was in 2012 or something, that means they were implying the Korea of now is lovely and safe.

I've played the first one ..there's no politics whatsoever ..it's mostly over the top tongue in cheek violence (very enjoyable btw) ..Korea didnt complain about that game. Mercenaries 2 will use a more realistic scenario ...a tyrant messes with the oil supply which launches an american invasion ..well that pretty much describes chavez (the tyrant part depending on what side of the political fence you're on)

 

[Sulkdodds]

Yeah, but by the sounds of things you could also see it as the US being imperialistic (and in the game too, lol).

 

[CptStern]

ya but few will pick up on that ...even though it's obvious .. "messes around with oil"

 

[99.vikram]

'You are either with us or against us' - GW Bush November 6, 2001


the scales are bound to tip to either side sooner or later

BBC: Are you punishing France for not siding with the US?
Colin Powell: Yes.

Or something to that effect. :sniper:

And BTW, most games portray the US govt. as "Big brother", not as an evil entity, like they portray Nazis, Russians etc.

 

[Raziaar]

Wait a minute! Mercenaries 2? Damn... I *JUST* made the connection that it is the same game, just a new one, of the Mercenaries game I loved for X-Box. Wow am I slow.

**** you Chavez, quit complaining. I want my Mercenaries 2. :dork:

 

[Flyingdebris]

Interstate 82 has got you all beat.

In that game the final boss was Ronald Reagan in a giant robot in Las Vegas.
Right before the final battle he literally says

"i'm going to get inside that giant robot and kill you all"
Prior to that he was trying to fry you with satelite based lasers

I wish i was making this up.

 

[Sulkdodds]

That's pretty awesome.

 

[DreadLord]

Yeah.

Eat that Stern.. A robotic Reagan.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

How isn't it too far-fetched. Pandemic is a goddamn videogame company. They wanna make a fun game. People have to take it as a political statement. Keep your politics out of my videogames.

People are just using Pandemics choice of ''what possible conflicts can we make fun or interesting from the perspective of an American'', as platforms to launch they're conspiracy theories.

If Chavez did'nt have a comment, nethire would people believing they'res a propagandic link.