CIA, Military Men Agree with Pat Robertson

[RakuraiTenjin]

Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 1:08 p.m. EDT
CIA, Military Men Agree with Pat Robertson

While televangelist Pat Robertson has apologized for suggesting that Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez be assassinated, a former military man and an ex-CIA operative have stepped forward to say that his concerns about Chavez aren't exactly unwarranted.

"Chavez is a dangerous guy," retired Col. David Hunt told Bill Bennett's "Morning in America" fill-in host Steve Malzberg on Wednesday. "We helped to elect the son of a gun [and] after 9/11 you don't get to threaten us." The issue of assassination "should be on the table," Hunt said. "I'm suggesting that we use it as a tool . . . to get those guys nervous."

Former CIA operative Wayne Simmons agreed, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," that Chavez has "threatened not only the United States and the west, but [has]armed himself with the revolutionary armed forces of Colombia, which is the oldest, most well-trained terrorist organization in Latin America."

"He should have been killed a long time ago," Simmons said.


http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/prin...ewsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/25/131236.shtml

 

[MjM]

Why do you bother? Just come out and say you support political assassinations, already?!

 

[Absinthe]

"I'm suggesting that we use it as a tool . . . to get those guys nervous."

I'm sure that will turn out brilliantly.

 

[Korgoth]

Its not that he said it, so much as who pat robertson is, and if you can't see that, then your blind, he is supposed to be a voice of the devine, a messenger for God, and hes sticking his dirty hands in politics and spitting his opinions like facts, being eat up by his loyal zombies and ugh, thsi is rediculous.

 

[staticprimer]

Yes, because when I wake up in the morning and examine the threats to the United States and the world, Hugo Chavez ranks near the top. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people? The man was democratically elected, and is popular with his people. (granted, not with the white aristocracy though) So what if he does not not the US, many leaders do not. So what if he is friends with Castro, its not like Castro is a dangerous man either. No, the threat of Chavez to America is his economic. He wants to take power away from the oil companies and redistribute the wealth towards the poor, who are the majority of the country and his power base. Does this sound like the beliefs of a villian?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Yeah, just ask RJMC how wonderful Chavez is and how much he loves him. Seriously :/

 

[Absinthe]

Yeah, just ask RJMC how wonderful Chavez is and how much he loves him. Seriously :/

To be honest, I can't understand RJMC half the time.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Its not that he said it, so much as who pat robertson is, and if you can't see that, then your blind, he is supposed to be a voice of the devine, a messenger for God, and hes sticking his dirty hands in politics and spitting his opinions like facts, being eat up by his loyal zombies and ugh, thsi is rediculous.

<Looks at Terrorists world-wide, then looks to Pat Robertson>

I see no difference ... holy-men taking up arms to commit murder. When will it be something new? Like vampire Panda's?

 

[Absinthe]

<Looks at Terrorists world-wide, then looks to Pat Robertson>

I see no difference ... holy-men taking up arms to commit murder. When will it be something new? Like vampire Panda's?

Vampire Pandas in league with the Combat Wombats. A union of death and destruction!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Jesus Christ, that would put a thrill in my loins that I had'nt felt since ...

since ... oh, forget it. THRILLED LOINS!!

 

[No Limit]

Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 1:08 p.m. EDT
CIA, Military Men Agree with Pat Robertson

While televangelist Pat Robertson has apologized for suggesting that Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez be assassinated, a former military man and an ex-CIA operative have stepped forward to say that his concerns about Chavez aren't exactly unwarranted.

"Chavez is a dangerous guy," retired Col. David Hunt told Bill Bennett's "Morning in America" fill-in host Steve Malzberg on Wednesday. "We helped to elect the son of a gun [and] after 9/11 you don't get to threaten us." The issue of assassination "should be on the table," Hunt said. "I'm suggesting that we use it as a tool . . . to get those guys nervous."

Former CIA operative Wayne Simmons agreed, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," that Chavez has "threatened not only the United States and the west, but [has]armed himself with the revolutionary armed forces of Colombia, which is the oldest, most well-trained terrorist organization in Latin America."

"He should have been killed a long time ago," Simmons said.


http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/prin...ewsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/25/131236.shtml

Newsmax, great site :angel:.

Anyway, you seem to have jumped on the right wing bandwagon of hating Chavez, can you please tell me why you hate him and why he is a threat to democracy?

 

[diluted]

Because he's a "socialist". Personally, I admire him for the fact that he has the balls to stand up and give the big '**** you' to the US. Not many world leaders will do that. Just look at what our prime minister here in Canada is doing. The American government is ****ing us over daily on the softwood lumber issue, and our government is threatening to put tariffs on american orange juice imports. Oh, that'll show those Americans.

 

[CptStern]

Because he's a "socialist". Personally, I admire him for the fact that he has the balls to stand up and give the big '**** you' to the US. Not many world leaders will do that. Just look at what our prime minister here in Canada is doing. The American government is ****ing us over daily on the softwood lumber issue, and our government is threatening to put tariffs on american orange juice imports. Oh, that'll show those Americans.

unlike the US we want to abide by the Nafta laws

 

[DeusExMachina]

Canada ftw.

 

[jondy]

I know, why don't you guys whack a bunch of people on a boat and storm the beaches like you did back in '61? :O

 

[No Limit]

RakuraiTenjin, I am still waiting for why Chavez is such a threat to us. Or have you been reading too much free republic and that 'opinion' just rubbed off on you?

 

[No Limit]

Chavez, that ****ing asshole!!!! How dare he!!!!! I am so pissed he would dare do this!!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050829/wl_afp/usweathervenezuelaoil_050829235602

CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

The leftist leader, a frequent critic of the United States and a target himself of US disapproval, said Venezuela could send aid workers with drinking water, food and fuel to US communities hit by the hurricane.

"We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages -- we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel," Chavez told reporters.

Chavez said fuel could be sent to the United States via a Citgo refinery that has not been affected by the hurricane. Citgo is owned by Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA).

 

[diluted]

No Limit, that dirty communist probably poisoned the food. You know how those commies are... always poisoning the food. ;(

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

RakuraiTenjin, I am still waiting for why Chavez is such a threat to us. Or have you been reading too much free republic and that 'opinion' just rubbed off on you?

I just made the topic. An assassination would be a bit too destabilizing and not even work towards our best interests. Chavez may be a bastard to his people but for now until there's a better situation on our side he's just something we'll have to sit on and deal with.

 

[No Limit]

I just made the topic. An assassination would be a bit too destabilizing and not even work towards our best interests. Chavez may be a bastard to his people but for now until there's a better situation on our side he's just something we'll have to sit on and deal with.

bastard to his people? Again, you don't know what you are talking about or you simply hang around free republic too much. Give me one example of him being a bastard to his own people.

 

[DeusExMachina]

And why do we have to deal with him?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27923.htm

The Government's human rights record remained poor; although there were attempts at improvement in a few areas, serious problems remained. The police and military committed extrajudicial killings of criminal suspects. The police reportedly had links to vigilante death squads responsible for hundreds of killings in at least 11 states. Investigations into the forced disappearances by the security forces of criminal suspects remained extremely slow. Torture and abuse of detainees persisted, and the Government failed to punish police and security officers guilty of abuses. Prison conditions remained harsh; violence and severe overcrowding constituted inhuman and degrading treatment. Arbitrary arrests and detentions increased. Impunity was one of the country's most serious human rights problems. Crimes involving human rights abuses did not proceed to trial due to judicial and administrative delays. Corruption, lengthy pretrial detention, and severe inefficiency in the judicial and law enforcement systems also were problems.

The Government conducted illegal wiretapping of private citizens and intimidated political opponents. The President, officials in his administration, and members of his political party frequently criticized the media, the political opposition, labor unions, the courts, the Church, and human rights groups. Many government supporters interpreted these remarks as tacit approval of violence; they then threatened, intimidated, and physically harmed individuals from groups opposed to Chavez during the year. The Government abused its legal power to call national radio and television "chains" by requiring all television and radio stations to air over 136 hours of speeches by President Chavez and other government officials, and other programming favorable to the Government. Violence and discrimination against women, abuse of children, discrimination against people with disabilities, and inadequate protection of the rights of indigenous people remained problems. The atmosphere for independent labor unions deteriorated due to the Government's ongoing confrontation with the Venezuelan Workers Confederation (CTV) and fired petroleum sector employees. Child labor increased as economic conditions worsened. Trafficking in persons was a problem, although the Government took steps to reduce corruption among immigration authorities.


More abuses:
http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2312

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040815/news_lz1e15ramos.html

 

[MjM]

I guess its bad enough pissing of the middle east, i dont think you would want a similar situtation in South America ... cos, unno, they might learn to fly.

Lets not have our own extrajudicial killings, how bout it?

 

[CptStern]

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27923.htm

The Government's human rights record remained poor; although there were attempts at improvement in a few areas, serious problems remained. The police and military committed extrajudicial killings of criminal suspects. The police reportedly had links to vigilante death squads responsible for hundreds of killings in at least 11 states. Investigations into the forced disappearances by the security forces of criminal suspects remained extremely slow. Torture and abuse of detainees persisted, and the Government failed to punish police and security officers guilty of abuses. Prison conditions remained harsh; violence and severe overcrowding constituted inhuman and degrading treatment. Arbitrary arrests and detentions increased. Impunity was one of the country's most serious human rights problems. Crimes involving human rights abuses did not proceed to trial due to judicial and administrative delays. Corruption, lengthy pretrial detention, and severe inefficiency in the judicial and law enforcement systems also were problems.

The Government conducted illegal wiretapping of private citizens and intimidated political opponents. The President, officials in his administration, and members of his political party frequently criticized the media, the political opposition, labor unions, the courts, the Church, and human rights groups. Many government supporters interpreted these remarks as tacit approval of violence; they then threatened, intimidated, and physically harmed individuals from groups opposed to Chavez during the year. The Government abused its legal power to call national radio and television "chains" by requiring all television and radio stations to air over 136 hours of speeches by President Chavez and other government officials, and other programming favorable to the Government. Violence and discrimination against women, abuse of children, discrimination against people with disabilities, and inadequate protection of the rights of indigenous people remained problems. The atmosphere for independent labor unions deteriorated due to the Government's ongoing confrontation with the Venezuelan Workers Confederation (CTV) and fired petroleum sector employees. Child labor increased as economic conditions worsened. Trafficking in persons was a problem, although the Government took steps to reduce corruption among immigration authorities.


More abuses:
http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2312

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040815/news_lz1e15ramos.html

none of that justifies assassination/invasion/interferance ...in fact you put in governments that were far far worse

 

[No Limit]

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27923.htm

The Government's human rights record remained poor; although there were attempts at improvement in a few areas, serious problems remained. The police and military committed extrajudicial killings of criminal suspects. The police reportedly had links to vigilante death squads responsible for hundreds of killings in at least 11 states. Investigations into the forced disappearances by the security forces of criminal suspects remained extremely slow. Torture and abuse of detainees persisted, and the Government failed to punish police and security officers guilty of abuses. Prison conditions remained harsh; violence and severe overcrowding constituted inhuman and degrading treatment. Arbitrary arrests and detentions increased. Impunity was one of the country's most serious human rights problems. Crimes involving human rights abuses did not proceed to trial due to judicial and administrative delays. Corruption, lengthy pretrial detention, and severe inefficiency in the judicial and law enforcement systems also were problems.

The Government conducted illegal wiretapping of private citizens and intimidated political opponents. The President, officials in his administration, and members of his political party frequently criticized the media, the political opposition, labor unions, the courts, the Church, and human rights groups. Many government supporters interpreted these remarks as tacit approval of violence; they then threatened, intimidated, and physically harmed individuals from groups opposed to Chavez during the year. The Government abused its legal power to call national radio and television "chains" by requiring all television and radio stations to air over 136 hours of speeches by President Chavez and other government officials, and other programming favorable to the Government. Violence and discrimination against women, abuse of children, discrimination against people with disabilities, and inadequate protection of the rights of indigenous people remained problems. The atmosphere for independent labor unions deteriorated due to the Government's ongoing confrontation with the Venezuelan Workers Confederation (CTV) and fired petroleum sector employees. Child labor increased as economic conditions worsened. Trafficking in persons was a problem, although the Government took steps to reduce corruption among immigration authorities.


More abuses:
http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2312

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040815/news_lz1e15ramos.html

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng

Hundreds of detainees continued to be held without charge or trial at the US naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Thousands of people were detained during US military and security operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and routinely denied access to their families and lawyers.

Military investigations were initiated or conducted into allegations of torture and ill-treatment of detainees by US personnel in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and into reports of deaths in custody and ill-treatment by US forces elsewhere in Iraq, and in Afghanistan and Guantánamo. Evidence came to light that the US administration had sanctioned interrogation techniques that violated the UN Convention against Torture. Pre-trial military commission hearings opened in Guantánamo but were suspended pending a US court ruling.

In the USA, more than 40 people died after being struck by police tasers, raising concern about the safety of such weapons. The death penalty continued to be imposed and carried out.

The US government intensified its efforts to curtail the power of the International Criminal Court (ICC). In December, Congress approved a provision in a government spending bill mandating the withholding of certain economic assistance to governments that refuse to grant immunity for US nationals before the ICC

...

A number of detainees, reported to be those considered by the US authorities to have high intelligence value, were alleged to remain in secret detention in undisclosed locations. In some cases, their situation amounted to “disappearance”. Some individuals were believed to have been held in secret locations for as long as three years. The refusal or failure of the US authorities to clarify the whereabouts or status of the detainees, leaving them outside the protection of the law for a prolonged period, clearly violated the standards of the UN Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance.

Bush seems to be the biggest threat to our democracy, many around the world agree. Should we be calling for his assassination?

Second, do you have any clue of what was going on in that country before Chavez was elected in to power? Do you have any clue about the poverty rates before and after? Do you have any idea of how unstable that country was? Why don't you read up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez

Chávez won the presidential election on December 6, 1998 with the largest percent of voters (56.2%) in four decades, running on an anti-corruption and anti-poverty platform, and condemning the two major parties that had dominated Venezuelan politics since 1958 (see: Venezuelan presidential election, 1998). Shortly after taking office on February 2, 1999, Chávez embarked on a series of sweeping changes to the Venezuelan government. He organized a series of elections. The first one, a referendum, authorized calling for a constitutional assembly. A second selected delegates to that Assembly, distinct from his country's legislature. Chávez's initial widespread popularity allowed supporters to win 60% of the votes and 120 of the 131 assembly seats.

In August 1999, the assembly set up a "judicial emergency committee" with the power to remove judges without consulting other branches of government. In the same month, the assembly declared a "legislative emergency". A seven-member committee was created to perform congressional functions, including law-making. The Constitutional Assembly prohibited the Congress from holding meetings of any sort.

The new constitution renamed the country the "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela", after South American independence hero Simón Bolívar. It increased the presidential term of office to six years and added provisions for presidents to serve two terms, while providing for a new procedure to recall a president. It was approved in a nationwide referendum held in December 1999. Elections for the new, unicameral legislature were held in July 2000. During the same election, Chávez stood for re-election. Chávez's coalition obtained a commanding 2/3 majority of seats in the new Assembly and Chávez himself was reelected (see Venezuelan presidential election, 2000).

In November 2000, Chávez backed a bill through the legislature allowing him to rule by decree for one year. In November 2001, Chávez passed a set of 49 laws by decree, shortly before the enabling law expired, including the Hydrocarbons Law (about oil) and the Land Law. (For more on these laws, see policy below.) Business federation Fedecámaras vehemently opposed the 49 laws and called for a general business strike on December 10, 2001.

In December 2000, Chávez put a referendum on the ballot to force Venezuela's labor unions to hold state-monitored elections.

 

[Top Secret]

I support assassinations.

 

[CptStern]

officially your government doesnt

 

[Absinthe]

I support assassinations.

I can agree with an assassination if it's the right person, the right context, and is believed to have a better outcome than full-on war.

Do I think Chavez qualifies? No. Not in the least.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

I just heard that Chavez is giving huge amounts of oil to help victims of Katrina in New Orleans, something like %10 of the oil given to them. So either he really is sorry, or he's trying to make himself look good so we don't assassinate him. (probably the latter ).

 

[CptStern]

I just heard that Chavez is giving huge amounts of oil to help victims of Katrina in New Orleans, something like %10 of the oil given to them. So either he really is sorry, or he's trying to make himself look good so we don't assassinate him. (probably the latter ).

once and for all legally you CANT assassinate him ..it's against US law

 

[DeusExMachina]

once and for all legally you CANT assassinate him ..it's against US law

You of all people should know the US would bend that law .

 

[CptStern]

of course ...but they usually get someone else to do it ...but "officially" they're not allowed to carry out assassinations