CNN does a piece on atheists

Mechagodzilla said:
:cat: - Hi, my name is irony. Pleased to meet for the first time, apparently!

But honestly, you aren't properly religious if you ascribe to a peaceful lifestyle. A properly religious person would actively fight the forces of hell. If hell is real, your passivity is leading to the torture of billions of people, making you more-or less tied for the title of "the worst person on Earth."

Also, no properly religious person trivializes the words of their god.

No matter how many valid criticisms of atheism you have (let's hear them), atheists aren't willfully ignoring the torture of billions of people while claiming to be peaceful and kind.
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This is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen you post Mecha. How the hell does being pieceful make you unreligious? Being peaceful simply means that you are not following the Torah, Quaran or Bible. Religion does not end at those three books you know.
 
GhostBoi said:
Guys evidently there is a follow up w/ Richard Dawkins on tonight at 8!
Here is where I heard it.
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Yay! Here's hoping he crushes their silly arguments. But I forsee this instead:
Lady: "Atheists suck!"
Dawkins: "No, they don't. What a rediculous thing to say."
Lady: "Stop being arrogant!"
Dawksins: *leaves*


that's generally how dawkins debates turn out.
 
Deadline said:
Stern... your Athiest, therefor you are wrong in every aspect of life! Convert to Christianity and I'll put a good word in for you with the Big Man =)

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That's nice. Now where's your proof, big man?
 
I'm excited about Dawkins being on tonight, I'm going to watch it
 
riomhaire said:
This is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen you post Mecha. How the hell does being pieceful make you unreligious? Being peaceful simply means that you are not following the Torah, Quaran or Bible. Religion does not end at those three books you know.
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I thought it was fairly clear that I was refering specifically to christian theology.

Still, I don't think it is arguable that any religion that refuses to stop billions of people from being tortured must be classified as an evil religion.

And I could put forwards a fairly strong argument that all religions lead unwaveringly to death and pain, but that's not the topic of this thread.
 
I wish I could watch it, get it up on YouTube ASAP.
 
Uhh... has Dawkins been cancelled? It seems that the death of a stupid cow today (Anna Nicole Smith) is going to be taking up all of Zahn's airtime. Saw no mention of ol' Richard.

UPDATE: The schedule for his appearance has indeed been changed. It's tomorrow at 8:00 PM.
 
yeah I just came on to check if that was the case lol

that's really annoying, no one gives a shit about anna nicole smith
 
Yeah, I mean it's tragic and all but did she really contribute so much to society that they have to spend a whole show discussing her?

What really happened? Paula Zahn looks at the possible causes of Anna Nicole Smith's sudden death. Tune in Thursday at 8 p.m. ET
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They're going to spend a whole show postulating why she died? Why not just wait for the corona report? Why do they need to know how she died!?

EDIT NUMERO DEUS: Wtf? It says this is being discussed on tomorrow's show? Is Dawkins going to appear or not?

He's called the party's new golden boy. But will Sen. Barack Obama's smoking habit hinder his campaign?
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Yes, because that's obviously more important than religious bigotry and prejudice.
 
He's been pushed to Monday.

It's almost like they're deliberately trying to throw him off.
 
Ennui said:
yeah I just came on to check if that was the case lol

that's really annoying, no one gives a shit about anna nicole smith
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Well, I was sitting in the common room of my fiances dorm with her while she was copying notes off a friend, and there were about 6 girls all complaining about how Anna Nicole Smith was their idol, and how sad they are that she died and how awful it is... WTF She is your roll model?! God damn, I dont want to know how they all turn out...

And as soon as CNN changed topics to something that was actually intellectual, they changed the channel...

yay for bimbo girls who idolize porn starts FTL!!!
 
Deadline said:
Well, I was sitting in the common room of my fiances dorm with her while she was copying notes off a friend, and there were about 6 girls all complaining about how Anna Nicole Smith was their idol, and how sad they are that she died and how awful it is... WTF She is your roll model?! God damn, I dont want to know how they all turn out...

And as soon as CNN changed topics to something that was actually intellectual, they changed the channel...

yay for bimbo girls who idolize porn starts FTL!!!
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I distinctly noticed a lack of you having sex with these bimbos ..god made bimbos for a reason ya know ..btw fiance and girls dorm go well together almost as much as christians and evolution ...you're supposed to sleep your way through the dorm and then get engaged dum dum
 
CptStern said:
I distinctly noticed a lack of you having sex with these bimbos ..god made bimbos for a reason ya know ..btw fiance and girls dorm go well together almost as much as christians and evolution ...you're supposed to sleep your way through the dorm and then get engaged dum dum
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Yeah, thats alright, I'm not missing out on anything... except Syphilis, HIV, AIDS, Genital herpes, Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, HTLV, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, Molluscum contagiosum, Pubic lice, Scabies, Trichomoniasis, Bacterial vaginosis, Granuloma inguinale, Non-Specific Urethritis, Hepatitis B...

She is amazing in bed AND plays WoW with me... no need for skanky girls. But thanks for the advice =)
 
Deadline said:
Yeah, thats alright, I'm not missing out on anything... except Syphilis, HIV, AIDS, Genital herpes, Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, HTLV, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, Molluscum contagiosum, Pubic lice, Scabies, Trichomoniasis, Bacterial vaginosis, Granuloma inguinale, Non-Specific Urethritis, Hepatitis B...
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jeez you'd think by now you'd know about condoms


over 30 females served, 0 stds thank you very much latex!

Deadline said:
She is amazing in bed AND plays WoW with me... no need for skanky girls. But thanks for the advice =)
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here's a tip, once you become engaged all sex talk involving your wife/fiance is icky ...guys want to hear about mistresses/one night stands not sex with wives ..how are we supposed to to look at her again the next time you invite us over for christmas dinner if you tell us stories of how flexible she is or whathaveyou ... <shudder>
 
CptStern said:
how are we supposed to to look at her again the next time you invite us over for christmas dinner if you tell us stories of how flexible she is
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The same way you always look at her.

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Mechagodzilla said:
I thought it was fairly clear that I was refering specifically to christian theology.
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But honestly, you aren't properly religious if you ascribe to a peaceful lifestyle.
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You didn't mention the word Christian, Christianity or anything like that. You just used the word religious.
 
I think my link is teh win ..fool makes an ass of himself and a hottie ..what more can you ask for?
 
riomhaire said:
You didn't mention the word Christian, Christianity or anything like that. You just used the word religious.
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What are you doing?

You know as well as I do that Mecha doesn't think that every conceivable religion would be completely evil ect.
there's no point making exceptions for such religions which do not harm because they have no significance as they do not exist, or at least are not very popular.

So please stop nitpicking, it doesn't advance the argument at all.
 
CptStern said:
I think my link is teh win ..fool makes an ass of himself and a hottie ..what more can you ask for?
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the link takes me to a page that has nothing to do with P-whatver and Jessica Biel
 
Walter said:
What a great example of Christianity!... :thumbs:

Seriously though, they might have crossed the line here. Where did "love thy neighbour" go?
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Jesus commands you love your neighbor and kill them if they worship false gods at the same time.
 
Matthew

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 
I believe you mest up a translation there. The correct translation I believe is not "kill", but rather "murder". Often times you find this translated wrong.

Murder != Killing. Murder is without proper cause.

Otherwise your calling the bible hypocritical, and if it's hypocritical it has to be lying somewhere, and therefor cannot be considered a valid source, due to it could be lying elsewhere.
 
Walter said:
Matthew

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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Actually, there's a further misinterpretation there:
That quote is about Jesus elaborating on the definition of murder. He defines it any form of unjustified anger.

Not only does Murder get the death penalty, but so do insults and angry thoughts.
Anyone who shows anger without reason goes on trial, and will receive the death penalty if convicted.

So, like Solaris said, you are forced to love and kill simultaneously.


Compare that quote with Matthew 5:27-28, where jesus redefines Adultery as any lusty thoughts.

Jesus isn't going easier on you. He is prohibiting thoughtcrimes.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'
I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Adultery, also, features the death penalty.

So, Jesus says that anyone who thinks angry thoughts is already a murderer in his heart, and should be punished accordingly.


Exodus 12:14, 17, 24
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.

Leviticus 23:14,21,31
It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.

Deuteronomy 4:8-9
What nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? ... teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.

1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.

Psalm 119:151-2
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses.

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
 
what happened to the thread that i started, and why is it full of boring bible quotes now?
 
ya no more bible quotes plz

i can agree that atheists are being discriminated against. One time i said i was an atheist in my Physics honors class (i would think they would be at least a little more tolerant), but they get all disgusted at me and asked if i were abused or something and then i got the guy who sits next to me saying he wants to convert me...
 
The point was that, suffice it to say, atheists have very good reason to ignore christan teachings and reject conversion.
So, any discrimination isn't justified.

You may now continue your regularily scheduled thread. :p
 
Jesus isn't going easier on you. He is prohibiting thoughtcrimes.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'
I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
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Aaaaand?? Don't tell me you're thinking about it not of your own will.

And the New Testament shouldn't be commented on one sentence, but as a whole parable. You should try to think about what the whole parable means, not just Luke 19:27.

P.S to me the best neighbour there can be is...perhaps a guy somewhat simmiliar to Ned Flanders (the Simpsons). yeah, he's weird at times, since it's a cartoon comedy, but often he is a good example.
 
Walter said:
P.S to me the best neighbour there can be is...perhaps a guy somewhat simmiliar to Ned Flanders (the Simpsons). yeah, he's weird at times, since it's a cartoon comedy, but often he is a good example.
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Wow, I had a good laugh.
 
Walter said:
Aaaaand?? Don't tell me you're thinking about it not of your own will.
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Thoughts are very much uncontrolled. You tell me not to think of a pink elephant and it's an almost guaranteed certainty that I will. And the more I try to fight it, the more difficult it becomes. Try resisting something as instinctual as the urge to mate, and you will be faced up against an impossibility. Unless you have some dysfunctional sex drive. Anybody who claims they can block out sexual thoughts from their mind out of their own free will is either some supernatural mental master (which, to be gentle, you have demonstrated you are certainly not) or a liar.

And I'm growing very sick and tired of people saying that excerpts from the Bible need to be looked at from some grandiose whole. If this is really the case, then please, FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN THE TRUE MEANING OF IT ALL. Don't just leave us hanging there. If you know that there is integral, meaningful context missing from our reductive analysis, then please explain what it is. Because I'm inclined to believe that sentences like "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" are pretty self-explaining and self-supported. There isn't some broader look at the Bible that can fundamentally alter the message conveyed through those words. Unless you can quote Jesus Christ as saying "lol guyz only kidding :D" immediately afterwards.

As for Ned Flanders being an ideal role model... :|
 
FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN THE TRUE MEANING OF IT ALL
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Friend, there are people which spend their lives doing that - priests. Though I'm no priest, and have a very bad charisma to explain it all (That's why i think i'll not manage handling a debate on my own).

As for Ned Flanders being an ideal role model... :|
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I mean him being as a neighbour, but not as a father or a businessman or a faithful husband that never cheats on his wife :D. :naughty:
 
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