Conservative Radio Host Mancow Muller Gets Waterboarded

[unozero]

cuz its based on a true story.
That boy is 17 now and still in gitmo.
There is video of him being questioned,not water boarded,The point I was trying t make though even though it was blatantly obvious that this **** killed U.S soldiers (who knows how many with the IED's and all)
people still bitch and moan that he's in Gitmo,as if anything would change if would stand trial here in the states.
still just as guilty,the difference being it would turn in to a huge media story and people would feel bad for the kid "cuz he hung out with the wrong guys."
Not to mention waste of tax payers money....even though Gitmo in a way is also a waste.






*save face* lol wat

 

[Krynn72]

What if it was another person in the same building who didnt attack but hid instead, and claimed to not be a terrorist?

 

[unozero]

Why the **** would he be in Afghanistan in the first place? and then with these Taliban guys?
what a stupid argument,not to mention they have him making IED"s on camera.



FAIL.

you guys are so childish with this "WHAT IF" shit.




and if you talking about a completely different person that was in the Building he would most likely be let go after a few days.
In your warped reality I bet every single POW is probably water boarded.

Dream on,the same thing applies here though this "what if" shit is for 12 year olds.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Let me make this as clear as possible once again.

Normally, once we catch someone in the act of doing a bad thing, we charge them with a legal offence, and then we try them. Soon, we will know whether or not they did what we say they did, and be able to take action. If it is so blatantly obvious what they've done then the trial will deliver a guilty verdict no problem. This is called 'justice'.

But you are proposing that none of this is needed. Instead, we don't actually need to check to see if a person is a terrorist...as long as they're a terrorist.

Think about this. With your brain.

And this isn't really related to the question of torture; what does Mohammad Random captured in a house in Afghanistan know about dirty bombs at Soldier Field? What's the justification for rushing him into Gitmo without bothering to even charge him?

 

[Llama]

Why the **** would he be in Afghanistan in the first place? and then with these Taliban guys?
what a stupid argument,not to mention they have him making IED"s on camera.



FAIL.

you guys are so childish with this "WHAT IF" shit.




and if you talking about a completely different person that was in the Building he would most likely be let go after a few days.
In your warped reality I bet every single POW is probably water boarded.

Dream on,the same thing applies here though this "what if" shit is for 12 year olds.

Ding ding, it's the common sense train - You should've got off about 7 steps ago.
We're the childish ones? Oh dear, oh dear.
Go away.

Let me put this in a way your evidently small mind will understand.

Exactly why shouldn't I haul your ass away and torture you? I have no evidence you're a terrorist but also no evidence you're not. That's the logic you use, let's see how it applies to you.

 

[unozero]

am I in a country where the U.S is conducting Military operations?
No.


try again.

 

[Eejit]

So your answer to Sulk's question is that you can assume anyone is a terrorist, without trial, as long as they're in a country where the US is conducting military operations?

 

[kineaesth]

To quote what's-her-face - 'I don't know anything about Afghanistan, but I do know that it's full of terrorists, speaking as a mother.'

This is just like what you are saying, unozero.

Stupid.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

oh yeah it look like you didn't read my last few posts,if you did u wouldn't have that retarded list.

****



ok you want me to read fiction?
I've seen 1984,I also know there are people that are obsessed with with 1984 as if its already that bad.
Are you one of these people?




ok let me explain this one more time,the majority of you don't seem to know what this thread is about,too stupid to figure it out maybe.

Q: The Conflict the U.S is involved over last decade or so involves who?
A: Muslims (extremists if that makes you happier, not the group as whole of course)

Q:What have the U.S been doing to get info out of insurgents captured in A'stan and Irag?
A: among other things water boarding.

Q:The people that are caught what religion are they religion do they belong too and practice and what name are they blowing themselves to to bits?
A:They are Muslim and they claim to these things in the name of their God (Allah)

Now if your have a decent IQ and are mature enough without wishing other peoples family's to be tortured just for the **** of it because you disagree with them.
You would know exactly who I am referring when I say terrorist,you wouldn't to use these stupid games like a 10 year old like Shakermaker or Monkey is doing.

Comedy goldmine. By the way, Allah is simply Arabic for "God". Yep, the same one worshiped by all Christians and Jews as well.

 

[Sparta]

I'm convinced Unozero must be a very dedicated and elaborate troll. If that's the case, nice job man, well played.

If not, I conjecture the following:

you guys are so childish with this "WHAT IF" shit.

Funny.

and if you talking about a completely different person that was in the Building he would most likely be let go after a few days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(torture_victim)#Death

Dilawar (c.1979–December 10, 2002) was an Afghan prisoner at the Bagram Collection Point military detention center in Afghanistan. He arrived at the prison on December 5, 2002, and was declared dead on December 10, 2002.

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In February, an American military official disclosed that the Afghan guerrilla commander whose men had arrested Mr. Dilawar and his passengers had himself been detained. The commander, Jan Baz Khan, was suspected of attacking Camp Salerno himself and then turning over innocent "suspects" to the Americans in a ploy to win their trust, the military official said.

The three passengers in Mr. Dilawar's taxi were sent home from Guantánamo in March 2004, 15 months after their capture, with letters saying they posed "no threat" to American forces.

Also...

Q:The people that are caught what religion are they religion do they belong too and practice and what name are they blowing themselves to to bits?
A:They are Muslim and they claim to these things in the name of their God (Allah)

That's funny, because there's a lot of suicide cults out there that practice suicide attacks. Heck even some new age religions are getting in on the act such as Aum Shinrikyo, the group who committed the sarin gas attack in a Tokyo subway in 95.

In all fairness I will say that it is quite apparent most terrorist attack carried out against the U.S. are committed by what appears to be Muslims, as that is the biggest religion in the world and definitely the most dominant religion in the middle east, the problem with you is that you don't differentiate between Muslims extremists, such as the Taliban, and Insurgents.

Al-Qaida/The Taliban commit their acts because of their religious fundamentalism, whereas insurgents commit their acts out of patriotism for their country. Like you would attack China if they invaded. By your logic if China were to abduct and torture you for attacking them, they'd be entirely within their rights to do so.

My point is; The terrorists religion shouldn't matter at all. You're making the distinction that Islam and terrorism go hand in hand, but what you're failing to realize is that it has nothing to do with the faith and everything to do with fundamentalism and extremist values. To make the assertion that Islam inspires terrorism is extremely prejudiced. Every single terrorist organization on the planet holds the belief that people cannot be reasoned with and therefore anyone who disagrees must be dealt with violently, and what you don't get is that in holding the view that torturing anyone who attacks the U.S. is ok, puts you close to the same level they're on.

And finally you still haven't answered my question as to what situation warrants torture?

 

[Llama]

am I in a country where the U.S is conducting Military operations?
No.


try again.

Oh ok.
So anyone in Iran or North Korea is cool then?

Yeah, you're a logical guy.

 

[CptStern]

Im not fine with torturing innocent people at all.Lets say your this boy you were actually born in Canada but our family is extremist...so eventually you end up in Afghanistan you sitting in a house with older guys building IED's and filming it with a camcorder a few days later Americans try to get in the building....shit goes crazy you toss a grenade...one U.S soldier dies.

you're talking about omar khadr. except he never threw a grenade. eye witness reports say he was cowering with his back turned away from the attackers. his crime was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. there is no evidence he ever fired a single round at coalition soldiers

line him up no need for a trial.

except I just proved there's need of a trial because the case isnt so clear cut as you put it. is he guilty of killing a US soldier? probably not, is he guiilty of being involved with militant groups? yes. was he a minor at the time? yes he was. at best he'd get a few years in jail for being an acessory to a crime. locking him away without a trial, torturing him is a over the top punishment for being in the company of militants

cuz its based on a true story.

yes your version of events was based on a real story, but much like hollywood you fudged all the facts

That boy is 17 now and still in gitmo.

he's 22

There is video of him being questioned,not water boarded,

waterboarding isnt the only torture being performed at gitmo; he was definately tortured

n the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[18] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys"

he was 16 at the time

The point I was trying t make though even though it was blatantly obvious that this **** killed U.S soldiers (who knows how many with the IED's and all)
people still bitch and moan that he's in Gitmo,as if anything would change if would stand trial here in the states.

at least he'd have a freakin trial. And no it's not "blatantly obvious" anything:

OC-1 fired a dozen M4 Carbine rounds into the alley as he ran past, although he couldn't see anything due to the rising dust clouds. Crouching at the southeast entrance to the alleyway, OC-1 could see a man with a holstered pistol moving on the ground next to an AK-47, with two chest wounds. From his position, OC-1 fired a single shot into the man's head, killing him

When the dust cleared, OC-1 saw Khadr crouched on his knees facing away from the action and wounded by shrapnel that had just permanently blinded his left eye,[33] and shot him twice in the back

it is unclear who threw the grenade but judging from Khadr's position; cowering on his knees it was most likely the man he was with if not someone from within the house. obviously there's not enough evidence to make this an open and shut case as you'd have us believe

still just as guilty,the difference being it would turn in to a huge media story and people would feel bad for the kid "cuz he hung out with the wrong guys."
Not to mention waste of tax payers money....even though Gitmo in a way is also a waste.

yes because he doesnt deserve a trial ..which is in violation of US and human rights in general

look the problem you have is that you think you know what you're talking about but it's painfully obvious you havent a clue and are just relying on half truths you picked up from some right wing blog or some idiot you know who considers himself an expert on sidestepping facts ..methinks an older brother, father or local windbag who enjoys telling guilible kids about the evil of [strike]muslims[/strike] terrorists

 

[Ravioli]

i think its funny how unzero takes the protection of his oh so loved country to the extremes, yet he seems to forget the very basic principles and ideals that his country was founded on and meant to portray as an example to the rest of the world. You should go back to school and read Lockes treatises, maybe then will you get an understanding of your true country and that your currents thoughts are WAY out of line.

 

[Absinthe]

This thread makes me laugh.

And by this thread I mean unozero.

 

[unozero]

Comedy goldmine. By the way, Allah is simply Arabic for "God". Yep, the same one worshiped by all Christians and Jews as well.

Did you honestly think I did not know this?


Interpretation is the keyword,not to mention Islam is youngest ,according to some the final word of god that's why many Muslims think there is no room for improvement.

 

[unozero]

i think its funny how unzero takes the protection of his oh so loved country to the extremes, yet he seems to forget the very basic principles and ideals that his country was founded on and meant to portray as an example to the rest of the world. You should go back to school and read Lockes treatises, maybe then will you get an understanding of your true country and that your currents thoughts are WAY out of line.

funny coming from a swede,a country being devoured right now.

 

[jet_porkins]

there actually seem to be no concrete cases of torture saving lives.

Jack Bauer would be inclined to disagree.

 

[Sparta]

funny coming from a swede,a country being devoured right now.

Please tell, how are they being devoured? Or will you simply ignore this post like all the other posts that have brought good points against all of your arguments?

 

[unozero]

Please tell, how are they being devoured? Or will you simply ignore this post like all the other posts that have brought good points against all of your arguments?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138056&highlight=sweden

,as for Cpt Stern,Im not ignoring him I will respond to his complete post some time tomorrow.


oh btw the Koran and Bible do go hand in with terrorism these two book make it very easy to justify what is happening around the world.



this applies to American politics as well.

How can you sit there and say the the religion has nothing to do with what is happening??
The Koran is much more then just a tool for these people sparta it is the very model for how they want the world to be.


**** every single one of these people if they put a old book before secular values,if I have to give part of my moral compass so the US doesn't turn out like Europe so be it.

 

[Sparta]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138056&highlight=sweden

as for Cpt Stern, I'm not ignoring him I will respond to his complete post some time tomorrow.

Don't know what to make of the video, it's very anti-immigration and xenophobic, but because the majority of those links it provides are Swedish, while others don't work, I have no idea whether its spinning the truth or not. I'll leave that for one our Swedish forum members to weigh in on

oh btw the Koran and Bible do go hand in with terrorism these two book make it very easy to justify what is happening around the world.

This URL just reads "o"

this applies to American politics as well.

How can you sit there and say the the religion has nothing to do with what is happening??
The Koran is much more then just a tool for these people sparta it is the very model for how they want the world to be.

Again, you're confusing religion with fundamentalism (while simultaneously blaming Islam despite referencing that Bush story). It's fundamentalists that make ridiculously world-altering decisions because of their fundamentalist views of their faith. Not the faith itself. There are billions of logical, reasonable, sane people who practice all forms of religion that don't think God is telling them to kill people and wage holy wars.

Also, you completely missed my point about patriotism being a factor in terrorist attacks. If China invaded the U.S, overthrew the government and then installed their own, there would be people who fight back not because of religious fundamentalism but because of their political views on freedom or democracy or whatever.

The same thing happens in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all insurgents are religious fundamentalists, therefore religion should not have anything to do with this.

**** every single one of these people if they put a old book before secular values, if I have to give part of my moral compass so the US doesn't turn out like Europe so be it.

This doesn't make any sense because Europe is far, far more secular than the U.S. has ever been, and probably will be for the next 50 years. It sounds like you're talking specifically about their tolerance towards Muslims when you say this, as that's the only logical conclusion I can come after reading that and thinking about your past arguments regarding Islam.

And you still haven't answered my question about torture.

 

[The Monkey]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138056&highlight=sweden

More reactionary bullshit from the racist assholes who want to blame people with more pigments on their skin for all their own problems. Sweden wasn't better in the 50s than it is now, quite the opposite. Like all nationalists they are longing for a country that doesn't exist, and never has.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Unozero must be a troll right?

I mean, no-one could be this stupid naturally right?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Clearly you never posted on the politics forum back in the good old days, where there was still a good quota of neocons here.

Jack Bauer would be inclined to disagree.

I guess he would be, if he were real and not a fictional character.

 

[PimpinPenguin]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138056&highlight=sweden

I'm not Swedish but that's exact the sort of bullshit anti-immigration racist videos we get here. In one of those points in the video it claimed that an Ayslum Seeker set fire to another Aslyum seekers car where's the proof? If anything i'm willing to bet it would have been the locals. Contary to what many think they don't cause all the problems we are having now. It just narrow minded and racist. It's the locals that commit the most crimes not the immigrants which even that videos had to concede.
These people don't cost us more because unlike the bone-idol natives who believe it's there right to be supported by the state these guys come here and work hard for a better life and pay it back.

 

[Kadayi]

Clearly you never posted on the politics forum back in the good old days, where there was still a good quota of neocons here.

They're still there, they just appear whenever they fear someones going to take away their right to possess Semi automatic rifles (because the Deer need that many bullets apparently.. ..)

I guess he would be, if he were real and not a fictional character.

Even worse that the character is little more than a mouthpiece for Foxs political rhetoric.

 

[CptStern]

They're still there, they just appear whenever they fear someones going to take away their right to possess Semi automatic rifles (because the Deer need that many bullets apparently.. ..)

yes or else they wont die



I for one wish for the return of the neocons; crazy is always entertaining

 

[Absinthe]

Politics was more interesting with the stalwart troupe of neocons that used to frequent it. =\

 

[CptStern]

ya all we get now is a few gun nuts suffering from Obama-complex and the odd right winger who can barely string two sentences together much less form a cohesive argument on anything in particular

 

[Ravioli]

funny coming from a swede,a country being devoured right now.

How does me being swedish have any relevance in this? Nationality has no relevance to ones knowledge of something, just because you are born somewhere outside of the US doesnt mean one can not study and learn US history and government. Oh, and im studying at an American school, so your argument is invalid anyways. Maybe you should retake US history and Government classes, they were quite easy.

 

[Sulkdodds]

WHY IS HE CALLED MANCOW

 

[xcellerate]

They're still there, they just appear whenever they fear someones going to take away their right to possess Semi automatic rifles (because the Deer need that many bullets apparently.. ..)

Ya seriously, and why do we build cars that can accelerate to 100km/hr in less than 7 seconds? Who needs their groceries back at their house that quickly? We all know the only thing gun owners do with their guns is hunt deer and shoot students and the only thing people do with cars is pick up food and go to work.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Clearly you never posted on the politics forum back in the good old days, where there was still a good quota of neocons here.

And thank god for that.