Conservative Shell Game - Swept Away

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Katrina and Rita. Two names that will forever be etched in the minds of Americans. In some ways these unassuming names will take on more significance than the enigmatic three number combination of 911.

What the gulf coast hurricane season of 2005 has done to America is sure to go down in history as the period in time when the smoke screen was blown away and left the core conservative ideology exposed for what it truly is. Ineffective, incapable and incompetent.

Without the cover the cover of terrorism conservative leaders cannot lead. Katrina and Rita have shown the American people what real terror and disaster is. Hurricanes are not some disguised, cloaked shadowy figure training in the deserts of Afghanistan. A hurricane is not a grainy video clip of middle eastern men running through a obstacle course at some generic terrorist training camp. America has found out hurricanes are a real threat to the security of this nation. As a result of this realization the conservative political ideology has suddenly found itself woefully irrelevent.

The shell game that the Bush administration has played with public opinion has finally run it's course. As the administration encountered criticism it would quickly shift focus to the war on terror, to the economy , to same sex marriage, to the culture of life, in a shell game that kept the American public preoccupied. While the shell game played out the very fabric of our society slowly became unraveled. Our country was stripped bare by cronism and pandering corpratists posing as politicians. From stripping the goverment bare, taking away freedom to the weapons of mass destruction that were never found in Iraq the shell game has kept America blind. Blind to a war that appears to heading down the same path to quagmire, with the same justifications as did another 40 years ago. The mission, doomed from the start, has hardly been accomplished. The war on terror and culture of life we found were just taglines that made for good soundbites from a weak ineffective ideology.

Another shell hiding the pip, that is the conservative "id", is the economy. Always touted to be robust and growing, coming off the greatest giveaway to the wealthy in U.S. history, the economy has been exposed as a fragile house of cards that could be toppled with the slightest nudge. ONce stable commodities now are subject to wild specualtion at the hands of traders far removed form the products they trade in. In hukster manner, the President actually encouraged people to spend money on consumer goods after instilling the fear of terror in malls and the streets of our cities with color coded warnings and dire talk of mushroom clouds. The infrastructure that literally drives the nation was undermined in a 48 hour period by a well documented, well known threat, a category 5 hurricane striking the Mississippi river delta.

The pip slid from one shell to another and we followed. Even as the shells became more and more transparent and we could see the folly many of us in this country still put faith that "god" and small government would lead the way to prosperity and a good society. Unfortunately those expectations for the future are better suited to television sitcoms and prime time soap opera than reality. Reality is prayer and small government could not pick stranded people off the rooftops of flooded homes or send truckloads of food and water to the people that needed it. The only thig it could do was coordinate a national day of prayer.

Katrina has dealt the first blow of a one two punch. As New Orleans sank under the flood waters and Biloxi and Gulf Port Mississippi lay in shattered ruins the President "fiddled" at another GOP fund raiser. That Katrina swept away was the false sense of stability and security that conservative ideology had spawned in recent years. The public believed that each person was responsible for themselves and that the greatest military might in the world had every right to kick as and take names in a post 911 world. We felt we could take and do what ever we want in the name of security. The haves took more and the have nots were taking the blame for not being more American. Not having the stuff to pull yourself up by the boot straps and achieve the American dream that came so easy for so much of middle class America. Katrina show the true stuff that America was made of, and we found we didn't like it.

Dogs were feeding on the rotting corpses of the dead in New Orleans. Thousands of people were denied exit from a city sinking and forced to congregate in the filth of the Superdome and the New Orleans convention center. America watched in shock, disbelief as we learned the gross incompetence of leaders, charged with Homeland Security failed to provide any semblance of security for the tens thousands left to fend for themselves in New Orleans.

At the same time the war in Iraq raged. Hundreds were killed in coordinated bombing through out Baghdad despite Vice President Disk Cheney's claim some months ago that the insurgency was on it's last gasp.

Then without warning conservative America saw the shells disappear when gasoline prices rose to $3.50 from $2.35 in less than two days. Suddenly the SUV, the American icon, was really a burden on the family pocketbook. We learned a hard lesson that the government has ignored real warnings for years about the effects of global warming and degradation of the Mississippi river delta. While we watched the news reports on the grave danger that terror possessed a conservative controlled government went about their merry way of dismantling funding and handing the environment over to corporate profit. The majority of America felt it was fine and dandy to cut taxes, slash programs, spend countless billions on a "ism".

All that changed when Katrina slammed into Louisiana and Mississippi.

Now Katrina's sister, Rita stands poised to strike the second blow. Tearing the heart out of our already battered oil supply network. Rita will sweep away not just poor people in a inner city this time. It will strike at the heart of what this country has been founded on, the Texas oil industry and it's wealth.

The problems we face after years of Republican conservative policy are too numerous to list. We have lived too heavily on this earth and now we are due to pay up. Terrorism is nothing compared to the real horror of 170 mile per hour winds ripping homes off foundations, destroying infrastructure and displacing millions of people. Terroism is nothing compared to collective helplessness we all felt as people suffered in the filth in New Orleans while we watched our conservative controlled Government coordinate photo-ops and after the fact rescue efforts. Even when the fallout from Katrina seemed to be at it's hieght the President and his cohorts, true to form, went back to the table and took up the shells and started shuffling and they landed on the old tried and true war on terror.

President Bush even tried to make the claim that terrorism is like Katrina and it was a war on terror that will ultimately keep America secure. Empty hollow words from a small stupid mind.

It is time to pay and the conservative public opinion shell game is pointless now. We now have to turn this country around and show the world what true stewardship is. Our vast wealth and independant sprit should now go to repair, prepare and conserve, not for war, destruction and simple greed. There is no going back to a television inspired dream of "normalcy".

It is time to take our wealth, our industry and our lifestyles and mold them into a system that embraces technology that does not involve the extraction, transportation and consumption of non-renewable sources of energy.

We have to dismantle the oil/war machine and quickly build the green machine and forever leave the conservative shell game behind.

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You're a ****ing idiot. A two "Party" system is the only way to safe guard a democracy. Those two "parties" are liberal and conservative. If you had you're way and got rid of the conservatives altogeter, the liberal camp would become too powerful and trample the rights of Americans. You're a ****ing jackass to even propose the idea of dismantling the conservative camp. Don't forget 50% of American are conservative you self-serving hypocrite.
 
southernman17 said:
You're a ****ing idiot. A two "Party" system is the only way to safe guard a democracy. Those two "parties" are liberal and conservative. If you had you're way and got rid of the conservatives altogeter, the liberal camp would become too powerful and trample the rights of Americans. You're a ****ing jackass to even propose the idea of dismantling the conservative camp. Don't forget 50% of American are conservative you self-serving hypocrite.
LOL, people like you make me look real good.

Hey smart one, yes, I agree a 2 party system would be great. But incase you haven't figured it out yet Republicans control all aspects of the government, Judicial Branch, Executive Branch, and both chambers of the Legislative Branch. Get your facts straight jackass.
 
No Limit said:
LOL, people like you make me look real good.

Hey smart one, yes, I agree a 2 party system would be great. But incase you haven't figured it out yet Republicans control all aspects of the government, Judicial Branch, Executive Branch, and both chambers of the Legislative Branch. Get your facts straight jackass.

They must be more charismatic.

I mean. Who am I kidding, compared to...

Well of course they are!
 
I'd be the last person, I think, to agree with republican ideology. But this is ridiculous.

Yes, I hate the Bush administration and the many reprehensible things it's done. Yes, it's poor response to Katrina was inexusable. But as much as I disagree with republican/conservative values, it's Bush and his team and their incompetence, some would argue their pure evil, that's the problem. Not their republican values.

the core conservative ideology exposed for what it truly is. Ineffective, incapable and incompetent.

No. That's what Bush is. You're a zealot, aren't you? I hate to deploy this, but:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3846/170x100700klargestfu28un.gif
 
Sulkdodds said:
I'd be the last person, I think, to agree with republican ideology. But this is ridiculous.

Yes, I hate the Bush administration and the many reprehensible things it's done. Yes, it's poor response to Katrina was inexusable. But as much as I disagree with republican/conservative values, it's Bush and his team and their incompetence, some would argue their pure evil, that's the problem. Not their republican values.



No. That's what Bush is. You're a zealot, aren't you? I hate to deploy this, but:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3846/170x100700klargestfu28un.gif
LOL, my new favorite graphic.

You guys really don't pay attention if you think Bush is the one single person doing all this. What you guys have to understand is that this is not Bush, these are the neocons which have totally hijacked the republican party. What used to be extreme right is now simply "right" after 9/11 hit. Neocons used 9/11 to exploit the republicans and their values. You have to ask yourself, what have the republicans done in the last 4 years that belongs to the true conservative idea. Deficits are through the roof, privacy rights are being taken away, foreign markets are controlling our economy, etc...
 
southernman17 said:
You're a ****ing idiot. A two "Party" system is the only way to safe guard a democracy. Those two "parties" are liberal and conservative. If you had you're way and got rid of the conservatives altogeter, the liberal camp would become too powerful and trample the rights of Americans. You're a ****ing jackass to even propose the idea of dismantling the conservative camp. Don't forget 50% of American are conservative you self-serving hypocrite.



I think more partys would be better like in Germany:)
 
In the USA any party could get into power, the only problem everyone supports two almost identical partys.
 
solaris152000 said:
In the USA any party could get into power, the only problem everyone supports two almost identical partys.

So, in effect, those parties couldn't get into power, by the constraints that this problem imposes?

It's like saying "Pigs could fly, only problem is they don't have wings"
 
Sulkdodds said:
I'd be the last person, I think, to agree with republican ideology. But this is ridiculous.

Yes, I hate the Bush administration and the many reprehensible things it's done. Yes, it's poor response to Katrina was inexusable. But as much as I disagree with republican/conservative values, it's Bush and his team and their incompetence, some would argue their pure evil, that's the problem. Not their republican values.
Sulk wins.

Bush is a stupid, dangerous idiot, but calling the entire republican party the same just because Bush has supporters is facile.

The fact is conservatives, by and large, are exactly like you or I. Maybe some have illogical conceptions (pun lol) of sexuality, or they like the idea of church & state holding hands too much - but that's why we vote against them and tell them exactly why their views are dangerous in forums both real and electronic.

You can't generalize based on the stupid republican leadership or their most brain-rapingly illogical followers who seemingly flock to these forums.
If you do, you're no better.
 
No Limit get your history straight. Our government switches back and forth from conservative to liberal since the nation was first founded. This just happens to be when the conservatives have the majority of support. In twenty years it could be the exact opposite and then us conservatives will bitch and moan about you liberals.You're just an idiot and you speak straight out of your ass; you don't know anything.
 
Who says they aren't the same tho? I mean if you actually look at it...both parties seem the same. :| Go to each ones websites and compare...I'm probally wrong, but I see it like that.

Of course I couldn't give a rats ass about this goverment or any other goverment. I just live here for the sake of it.
 
Both parties are extremely different. There are so many differences between the two. The only real parallel between us conservatives and you liberals is a general mistrust of government.
 
Both parties are extremely different. There are so many differences between the two. The only real parallel between us conservatives and you liberals is a general mistrust of government.
 
southernman17 said:
You're a ****ing idiot. A two "Party" system is the only way to safe guard a democracy. Those two "parties" are liberal and conservative. If you had you're way and got rid of the conservatives altogeter, the liberal camp would become too powerful and trample the rights of Americans. You're a ****ing jackass to even propose the idea of dismantling the conservative camp. Don't forget 50% of American are conservative you self-serving hypocrite.

No... just no.

Damn man, even George Washington (You know, founder of America?) was AGAINST poitical parties. They're a stupid idea, and only enable certain people to "win".
 
You need balance. If a single group controlls all, then it becomes curupted. Its like if HL2 was the only shooter out there; they wouldn't have to do such a good job, because they are the ONLY ONE.

And because of that, you have a balance. A balance is very important. Not one party controlls all, nor does one party not controll anything. Its all balanced, and a power struggle takes place. This way, no single person can get all the power.


Edit: You also need diffrent viewpoints. Without liberals, you wouldn't ever go forward; without conservatives; you would go forward to fast... without thinking things through.

Because of this, you need the diffrent parties. Like a SCALE. They BALANCE each other.
 
Puzzlemaker said:
This way, no single person can get all the power.

Someone got a C+ in goverment. Welcome to seperation of powers. That's not what I'm talking about.

All I say is:

The political parties are de-tached from the goverment. They operate only in order to "win", not to better serve the majority.
 
Right, exactly.

Its true. They operate to "Win" Within the political system. HOWEVER...

Thats why its a DEMOCRACY. So you can VOTE. For who you want. Which means that if they dont please the public, they are out.

Its all a balance.
 
T.H.C.138 said:
sadly it is a balance that is seriously out of whack....

Let me ask you this: Was it out of whack in the early 90's when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency?
 
Its so easy to say that the end is nigh... its not easy to say that everything is fine.
 
Final answer ->

Political parties don't belong in goverment. They don't belong, period.
 
Hehe. There is no "Final Answer". There will always be other opinions. Many people believe that they are always right, no matter how much evidence is thrust into their face. I hope you arn't one of them.

And yes, they belong in politics. They are very important to politics. Even if there whern't "Official" Parties, there would still be groups that formed.

BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT ALWAYS AGREE.

And BECAUSE people dont always agree, they SPLIT. Into GROUPS. Like Liberals and Conservatives; You need BOTH to have a healthy country. A country with NO liberals will not go anywhere; a country with ONLY liberals will end up really SCREWED up because there is no one to say, "Wait a second... lets think this through!"

Its so easy to say that the current way of doing things is stupid, and should be fixed. Its easy to say the end is nigh.

Its not easy to realise that, however imperfect, the system we have ACTUALLY WORKS PRETTY WELL. Sure, there are a few things wrong with it, but its better them communism; A great idea on PAPER, but you have to allow for human nature. Our system does so.
 
Really? That's funny. Because the country seemed to do just fine before the parties were around. But what do I know, right?

You're not argueing my point directly.

I didn't say "The system doesn't work."

Nor did I ask why we have said system.

I'm just saying... we don't need it. And yeah, that is my final answer.
 
You seriously need more (legitimate) parties in the US. Canada has three big ones and quite a few legitimate small ones, and even that slight difference makes a huge effect.
You simply don't see such massive partisanship here.
A binary choice just isn't good enough, because people don't fall so neatly into two categories.

Everywhere, you hear about how people were voting for Kerry just to prevent Bush from winning, and vice-versa. Forcing people to have only one other real option gives parties more power than they deserve.
 
Lemonking said:
both parties suck EXTREME
Wow lemon...you actually made a very good post. Also..."southernman"..if your post was directed at me. I'm not liberal. ;)

You can ask stern, no limit, and the rest of the political folks here.
 
Tr0n said:
Wow lemon...you actually made a very good post. Also..."southernman"..if your post was directed at me. I'm not liberal. ;)

You can ask stern, no limit, and the rest of the political folks here.


Yeah. Tron is redneck. Thats its own party. What is the Mascot you ask? A turkey!


I wouldn't know much else, though, not being a redneck.



Anyways. I could agree that both parties rather suck.
 
Hapless said:
Let me ask you this: Was it out of whack in the early 90's when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency?

why,yes! yes it was!

just in a different manner..

things have been down right screwy for a few decades

almost 3 that I have been through..and many more I have heard of!!
 
Well my stance is, the republican party, the conservative/ultra conservative group, and all their followers are needed, are a positive thing in this government, and even if I disagree with them on a lot of shit, they still bring some good things to the table. The problem is, I don't believe for a second, that bush and his gang of thugs in the pentagon, in the white house, and on capitol hill, have an ounce of credibility, nor do they believe or follow what they claim to. They are NOT as religious as they'd have you believe, and they do NOT listen to their morals when making decisions, they just want the religous wing of their party to believe that so that they will follow them to the end.
 
Tr0n said:
Wow lemon...you actually made a very good post. Also..."southernman"..if your post was directed at me. I'm not liberal. ;)

You can ask stern, no limit, and the rest of the political folks here.




no more beef between us then? :O
:thumbs:
 
southernman17 said:
Both parties are extremely different. There are so many differences between the two. The only real parallel between us conservatives and you liberals is a general mistrust of government.
You're a joke. The ideologies of Liberalism and Conservatism are very similair if you compare they to other ideologies. The two parties' economic politics, which is by far the most important part of politics, are very similar and I doubt the general American would've noticed any difference if the Democrats came into power.

The two-party system is a descrace to democracy and to free choise. The excuse that there are more patries is lame, since those parties never stand a chance of winning and thus makes it useless to vote on any of those parties. The only parties able to afford serious commercial campains are the Democrats and the Rebublicans, and without publicity, no party can ever hope to win.
 
Hapless said:
Let me ask you this: Was it out of whack in the early 90's when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency?
And what happened then? Our economy was at its peak, we had a huge surplus, no major unnecessary wars, decline in abortions (granted this decline continued with Bush Jr), lowest crime rate in a generation after the prior 2 republican administrations caused the highest crime rate ever, lowest poverty rate in 20 years, lowest proverty rate for blacks ever, lowest poverty rate for hispanics since 1979, lowest unemployment for blacks ever, highest home ownership ever, lowest women unemployment rate, etc... I could go on for pages but I'll leave that here.

Mark my words, the leadership will change in this country when 06 comes around and this country will become a much better place.
 
Actually, the feds were not allowed into LA, because of the fact that the LA gov. was refusing to hand disaster management authority over to the Feds. You see in America, we separate powers, so the feds aren't uberpowerful and such. Anyways, she delayed the entry of troops. After being allowed in, FEMA had full resources and abilities on hand in 24 hours. Faster than any other hurricane to date.
The failure was at local levels. Nagin refused to use all the buses in his cities (thers pictures of hundreds of flooded buses) to evacuate those citizens that couldn't leave. Then, the corrupt NO police force did nothing to stop the situation from deteriorating.
 
I'm a joke? Shows what a dumbass you are. First of all what other ideologies are you comparing them to? If you try to compare them with British Canadian European parties then you're shit out of luck. America has a unique political system which is completely different from other nations.

And the only similarity between the economic policies is that both parties want to make money.

You wouldn't know how our system works fully either as you're swedish.

Third parties do make a difference. True the most a third party has ever gotten was 1 electoral vote (populist party) but they make a difference. 3rd parties made a 5 times out of the last 9 election held here in America.

I'm not making any vague references to you tron, if I want to attack you I'd do it directly. For example, Razieer, tron is not a redneck. He's a goddamned fake.
 
America has a unique political system which is completely different from other nations

I agree even when you get the most votes you don't win.
 
You wouldn't know how our system works fully either as you're swedish.

Im sure theres a swedish professor and alot of people who knows more about your government than you, so he might do to.
 
"Im sure theres a swedish professor and alot of people who knows more about your government than you, so he might do to."
Alot isn't a word idiot

Yes I agree professors and people who dedicate their lives to understaniding our system know more than I do but is he a professor or dedicated his life to the study of American politics? I bet not. He is just an average citizen who doesn't fully inderstand our system like I an American do not fully understand the Swedish system of government.


"I agree even when you get the most votes you don't win."

Only during presidential elections not legislative or state/local elections. Don't try to insinuate that I don't know how my own government works.
 
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