Counter-Strike

[Stormy]

Well i used to be a really hardcore fan of CS, addict is probly a better word for it . I would play 3-4 hours a day, some times more. I stoped playing a cople of months back when i was forced to use this tiny x hair that i could barly see. I mean this wasnt a big problem but it annyed me. I dont like this thing of "lets make the game even". What difference does it make if i choose to play in 800x600 and someone elce chooses to play in 1024x768, surely it should just be what ever is comortable for the player.

Any need for skill seems to have been taken out of the game, for example, when spraying i would know the generaly spray of the guns and would move my mouse so most of the shells would land in the same area, but now the spray just seems totaly random (this lates make the game even thing). So the guy spaying you a from a few feet away just needs a lucky/random shot to kill you. Of course there was always an aspect of luck in the game, but now the hole game seems to be based around luck. I played just now, first try in a cople of months and i managed to spray 3 people, i didnt feel skillful like i used to, i didnt even feel excited, because it just seemed so lucky

Some things im not so sure on, the AWP for example. I know that the fast zoom was a bug, but it was part of the game, and made the awp really good, i know alot of people think it was a n00b gun but it did take alot of skill to use. On the other hand they have fixed a bug, but i feel it is now to hard to defend your self, if 2/3 people come at you you have no chance which i think will increase the amout of AWP campers.

The DE is just useless, it dosnt hit.

I did play the CS1.3 sourse and really enjoyed it, it was abit buggy, but all the time i got really cool kills that i was pleased with but the few servers that where avilable have slowly decreased and just no one seems to play it.

I dont want to sound like im moaning about CS, im just putting accross my views, but i probly do sound like im moaning :S

 

[Maxi]

I pwn people with the DE nowadays, Imo it's the best gun in the game.

And only noobs spray

 

[Shuzer]

No, not only "noobs" spray Maxi
Besides, DE isn't the best gun, and I don't care if it's your opinion, you're wrong! No, but seriously.. I feel your pain fishy..

As for the crosshair size thing, they changed it, you can pick your crosshair size now

 

[Stormy]

Na, its n00bie to say only n00bs spray. There is a time to spray and there is a time not to spray, depending on the distance from and the amount of targets.

I did see the x hair thing, thats why i gave it another go but the hole feel of the game, its... its just so different to what i used to love

 

[Gunner]

The DE is just useless, it dosnt hit.

The Desert Eagle is great, if you can't use it properly you need practice.

And FYI you can now select your crosshair size. And lucky people don't live long when they're up against people who can aim.

 

[Stormy]

And lucky people don't live long when they're up against people who can aim.

This is what i didnt want, people asuming im crap because im having a rant about the accracy of weapons, trust me i was a good player, of course you wont believe me and i dont know what to type to think other wise, but dont assume im a n00b because im saying i carnt kill any thing in 1.6.

 

[Sui]

fishymumma... i understand completely, and i also agree that all the poeple who are commenting on what you said negatively probally dont know a lot about the game. From what i read i can see your an experienced player...

let me just say that spraying isnt a "n00b" thing, its a skill- as you need to maintain control of your gun while spraying. n00bs just hold down left click... but as fishymumma said, nowerdays you have less control while you spray and its more based on luck whether your bullets go in the middle of your crosshair or outside.

and people who can aim should also have enough brain cells to realise that theres a time and a place for everything. plus certain guns (like the M4) are excellent guns at spraying (and can also be used with precise aim- which is y its my fave gun ) and others are useless when spraying. The only thing that defines whether a skill is a "n00b" skill or a "pr0" skill is who is executing the skill

 

[Shuzer]

Everyone who says DE/etc is accurate now obviously didn't play earlier versions.. weapons have become less and less accurate with each update

And yes, spray patterns have become more random, go play 1.3, you'll never die to a n00b spraying because the spray isn't as random and you can actually jump around.. in 1.6, you're forced to stay on the ground for the most part, and they can spray the night away

 

[Ceron]

Well dont like cs so much. I only these days play fun maps (custom)!

 

[Stormy]

I loved 1.3, 1.4, 1.5. 1.6 wasnt to bad at the start but with each update its just got worse. More people should play the 1.3 steam, its damn good.

All i can say is i hope that CS source has the old style game play, if its any thing like this random 1.6 game play i dont think it will be worth playing. It seems to arcady i supose you can say, probly because of console releases.

 

[simmo]

Trust me...fishy is an awsome CS playa, he 0wned me by miles ;(

 

[Letters]

He has also become Tredoslop for some reason... :O

 

[Dedalus]

play on the hl2.net server! played a short game with crazyharij, marksman and someone else i can't remember..but it was fun, and i feel pretty much the same as you fushymumma. you tend to notice the game's pitfalls a lot less if you're playing with people who are around the same skill level.

 

[outpost]

Are there still 1.3 servers up? IMO it was the best version of the game. After 1.4 it all went down hill.

 

[Shuzer]

There are, not as many as there were when the 1.3 Steam install first popped up, that was the talk of the town.. but people have kinda stopped playing it like they were for awhile =(

 

[Stormy]

Perhaps we should make a 1.3 server, rather then 1.6 damn good plan if you ask me.

http://www.cs13mod.com/

Its here if people want to download it.

 

[Pressure]

I don't see what you're talkin about. So what if newbies are spraying and getting lucky. If I came up to a newb that spray he'd be dead before he got a hit off. I think the smaller the crosshair the better . Right now I have it set to the smallest I can get it. As for the AWP I think they should have just taken it out of the game because it just doesn't fit. The scout would have been a more reasonable sniper rifle for the game. I also think they should drop the automatic sniper rifles because those are just as cheap as the AWP, except you need two hits to kill some but it's auto so there isn't much of a pause between shots. The shield should also be taken out, for obvious reasons. Other than that I don't have a problem with how weapons shoot or how accurate they are now or how many newbs spray.

 

[Shuzer]

The AWP being taken out of CS is the worst idea I've ever heard. I've heard this idea a hundred times too.. taking AWP out will just reduce CS to colt vs AK. There will be NO variation, as the other guns will be mostly worthless.

Very few people use anything but AK, colt and AWP now.. why get rid of one of one of the most popular weapons? They've already nerfed the AWP enough as is..

 

[Stormy]

The new players dont see a probem with the latest version of CS because they have never experanced the older versions where the game really took off. Before when you got a kill, you knew you got a kill and you know it was bloody cool. Now im like, wow i got a kill lucky i got that random shot off.

But what do people think of my idear of a 1.3 server?? im really up for it now.

 

[Sui]

why get rid of one of one of the most popular weapons?

amen to that my brother.

 

[Pressure]

The AWP being taken out of CS is the worst idea I've ever heard. I've heard this idea a hundred times too.. taking AWP out will just reduce CS to colt vs AK. There will be NO variation, as the other guns will be mostly worthless.

Very few people use anything but AK, colt and AWP now.. why get rid of one of one of the most popular weapons? They've already nerfed the AWP enough as is..

I dunno, but it may be hard to imagine but why not add new weapons and balance others? Only makes sense.

The new players dont see a probem with the latest version of CS because they have never experanced the older versions where the game really took off. Before when you got a kill, you knew you got a kill and you know it was bloody cool. Now im like, wow i got a kill lucky i got that random shot off.

But what do people think of my idear of a 1.3 server?? im really up for it now.

I don't take random shots, I aim.

 

[KiNG]

well, i do hate to see these kinds of threads. i am experienced. everything iv read i can argu with. i just played a scrim where i deagled everyone on the opposite team in the face, it is a very good wep if u know what to do with it. spray is nessecary sometimes and even though u say it not as accurate, its because it takes a lot more prac to get all your spray on the target. recoil has been added, to compensate u need to adjust not just your crosshair but to a small degree your gameplay. all i can really say is u need to get used the new cs, because the old cs is just that, old, outdated and will not comeback. u can play it all u want but if u want to compete and play wiht everyone that has addapted and stoped complaining for the most part, then u need to learn. im not trying to insult or hurt your cs pride, all im saying is its a better balanced game, easy to get the hang of and harder to master, more so than the eariler betas.

 

[Shuzer]

Deagle CAN be good, but it's less to do with skill these days. Back in 1.3, DE was basically 100% true to crosshair, even while jumping. 1.5 really screwed pistols up, and 1.6 remedied them SLIGHTLY.

And, I completely disagree that CS is harder to master now than earlier. 1.3 was MUCH harder to master than 1.6, the real difference is the restricted movement and the weapon accuracies have changed drastically

Explain to me why the first shot on a pistol would have aim altering recoil? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[AmishSlayer]

Explain to me why the first shot on a pistol would have aim altering recoil? It doesn't make any sense.

Are you saying that after firing one shot from a pistol your next shot without any compensation will goto the exact same location? I don't think so.

I haven't played CS regularly for a while now, but there are a few things that have changed that both bug me and are good.

One thing I hated was when people could just jump around with the pump shotgun wasting everyone in sight. You could just fly around a corner mid-jump and be aiming straight at someone's head and take them down before they even got a chance to look up. That's the only real upside to the change they made in jumping.

They also said that they made the slowdown after the jump change to take away from bunnyhoppers...I never saw this to be a huge problem when I've played. The person would get to a choke point faster...by themselves and from what I've played...get slaughtered in the process by the other team that chose to stick together.

I think all AWP users should pick up a Scout instead...I still don't think the game needs a gun that kills in one hit the majority of the time. At least make it more expensive...like $6000+

I think we need some more guns that can be balanced in with the rest of the game because as people have said earlier, it's getting to be colt vs. ak with your occasional prefrence gun thrown in for those that stick with the galil or mp5 or whatnot.

 

[Shuzer]

Are you saying that after firing one shot from a pistol your next shot without any compensation will goto the exact same location? I don't think so.

No, I'm saying why would the initial shot not go where you're aimed? Let's say I have a deagle, and I jump.. I fire, the bullet should go where I'm aiming. I'm not talking about shots following the initial shot, just the initial shot.

Also, that shotgun issue would still exist now. I've never had a problem dying to someone with a pump, no matter the version. The shotgun is still accurate while jumping, there are few guns that are.. shotguns and the glock in burst fire are the only ones realiable midair now

 

[Maxi]

More people should play at this sites Counter-Strike server. It's not too fun to play with one or two other people.

 

[Stormy]

Its been colt v ak for ages, I mean they are the best guns in the game its understandable but the aug is damn good as well, i dont get why people dont use it.

Jumping never really did annoy me, the only time it annoys me is when i have been playing TFC or somthing and keep trying to jump everywhere hehe

 

[Sai]

i started playing cs at 1.6 beta, so you can pretty much cancel me out as an unimformed, unexperianced newb, but i ask you 1.3 vets a favor; if you could pinpoint the one thing that makes 1.3 sooo much better than 1.6, as in the one aspect that you horrendously hate about 1.6 that was not a problem in 1.3 what would that be?

 

[Shuzer]

Weapon accuracies. Namely, the accuracy of weapons while jumping.
Being able to jump without a slowdown was nice, but I'd MUCH rather have accurate weapons (or, atleast more accurate than they are now) while jumping back..

Even if I couldn't have that, I'd want to ATLEAST have the pistol accuracy of 1.3 back :|

 

[Stormy]

Its hard to say really, the hole game is just so different, there is nothing like running out and getting a one shot jumping de hs, you get such a great rush. If 4 people run out you know you have a decent chance of killing 3-4 with some spray, because you can learn the spray. It makes you feel good at the game rather then being lucky.

 

[AmishSlayer]

No, I'm saying why would the initial shot not go where you're aimed? Let's say I have a deagle, and I jump.. I fire, the bullet should go where I'm aiming. I'm not talking about shots following the initial shot, just the initial shot.

Also, that shotgun issue would still exist now. I've never had a problem dying to someone with a pump, no matter the version. The shotgun is still accurate while jumping, there are few guns that are.. shotguns and the glock in burst fire are the only ones realiable midair now

I can also see why the initial shot of a pistol wouldn't be completely accurate when you jump in the air. Let's face it...I haven't tried it, but jumping in the air and trying to hit a target is gonna be harder than just standing still and hitting a target. I get where you're coming from now though.
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Well in previous versions they could keep jumping all over the place had they not killed you with the first shot...now once they jump they're more or less stuck in one place.

 

[Edcrab]

Yeah, I often mention pistol accuracies (one of my pet hates) and people tend to react in much the same way AmishSlayer did; there's no good reason why a shot would spread several degress away from the epicentre of your crosshair, although people like me tend to wholeheartedly support resultant recoil in later shots. Bah, I miss DoD... if only I could find an .exe installer and I might be able to stop myself playing bloody CS.

 

[Shuzer]

I can also see why the initial shot of a pistol wouldn't be completely accurate when you jump in the air. Let's face it...I haven't tried it, but jumping in the air and trying to hit a target is gonna be harder than just standing still and hitting a target. I get where you're coming from now though.
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Well in previous versions they could keep jumping all over the place had they not killed you with the first shot...now once they jump they're more or less stuck in one place.

Well, in following with the fact that your player is ultra accurate with guns, and doesn't fumble.. it should be accurate on the first shot where your crosshair is It's not like CS does that to be "realistic," in the real life sense.. because, well, CS isn't exactly realistic.

And you can still get quite a bit of speed if you time your jumps perfectly, jumping is more of a hindrance now, but it's still very useful

 

[Stormy]

CS used to be less... err .... realistic, they are trying to make it realistic for some strange reason and its just not working. Many of the unrealistic parts of the game is what made it so good in the first place and they are all being taken out update by update. I just want to see what the pros are going to be doing in the next big comps .

I will most likely give it another few goes, i want to like the game its just not happening atm.

 

[Snakebyte]

I <3 CS. CS <3s me.
Sure, some things have changed. It's still a great game.
It's been 4+ years since I started playing, and I still love it. No other games have lasted me that long.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

the biggest thing that ticks me off about CS in general is the shots not registering.

i notice all too often my shots don't seem to register.. i don't know what to make of this.. is it the shitty net code or the shitty servers.. or my ISP?

i know Recongamer servers are generally bad...most pple i talk to say that shots don't register too well on those servers.. :| :hmph:

 

[Shuzer]

the biggest thing that ticks me off about CS in general is the shots not registering.

i notice all too often my shots don't seem to register.. i don't know what to make of this.. is it the shitty net code or the shitty servers.. or my ISP?

i know Recongamer servers are generally bad...most pple i talk to say that shots don't register too well on those servers.. :| :hmph:

I used to get this ALOT.. however, tweaking your rates seems to reduce it by a WHOLE lot

rate 25000
cl_cmdrate 100
cl_updaterate 100

Are good settings for a cable modem, best I've found.. and I've messed with my rates alot

 

[Dr. Freeman]

I used to get this ALOT.. however, tweaking your rates seems to reduce it by a WHOLE lot

rate 25000
cl_cmdrate 100
cl_updaterate 100

Are good settings for a cable modem, best I've found.. and I've messed with my rates alot

thanks for those tips
i'll try it out and see if it helps.

 

[torso boy]

you're a n00b if you complain about changes that give people a chance to compete

 

[Shuzer]

you're a n00b if you complain about changes that give people a chance to compete

meh, I don't see why they should gear the game towards beginners.. sure, it has a large learning curve, but making it easy for n00bs isn't the way to go IMO.

I would've never gotten as good as I did at CS had I started with a crap version where it's far far easier than it was