Death is art...

[<RJMC>]

It's a pretty horrible thing. But I wouldn't do shit about it.

Sure it would be nice to save the dog and feel good about ones self and then walk home perhaps with a slightly smug smile on ones face. Perhaps whilst wearing some nice white trainers made by a 9year old who lives in complete poverty. Walk past the oxfam charity shop whilst millions are starving to death and spend 20quid on a new tshirt that you don't particularly want or need but as a treat for yourself for saving that dog.

I'm a socialist, the poverty in the world sickens me. Seeing the way we allow cooperations to pay impoverished people so slow makes me angry. People who care more for a ****ing dog whilst being fully complicit in society, exerting very little pressure on it to change. You buy carbon neural car insurance and you'll feel contented. You shouldn't.


Of course, every penny I spend on anything other than the bare essentials to survive is tainted with the hunger of millions of children. It disturbs me somewhat that I'm OK with that. We're all complicit in the worlds poverty. Just as we are complicit in that exhibition. Ones a lot easier to fix; but I'd quite happily build 100 of it to solve the other.

oh shut up,like everyone said people care more about theyr ideals that the dam dog
and how this thread came to this?

I got a reason for arguing against the death of the dog,atleast a dog wouldnt force you to starve to death or try to convert you

the life of that dog was more important that of some humans in my opinion

 

[Laivasse]

A lot of this thread can be summed up as spoilt, whiney procrastination along the lines of 'blaaah, there's other bad stuff in the world so I refuse to do anything about anything'.

 

[Solaris]

A lot of this thread can be summed up as spoilt, whiney procrastination along the lines of 'blaaah, there's other bad stuff in the world so I refuse to do anything about anything'.

No, that's wrong.

The point I'm trying to make is that we should try and do something about the bad things in the world, starting from the worst.

 

[Pesmerga]

I'm going to turn this thread on it's head and claim that I love death and suffering! May all of God's creatures endure endless pain and damnation! Bwuahahaha.

This way, I don't have to do a damn thing about anyone's problems!

 

[Laivasse]

No, that's wrong.

The point I'm trying to make is that we should try and do something about the bad things in the world, starting from the worst.

Start small and work upwards tbh. It's possible to spend your whole life taking a vague, principled stand against some grand injustice, yet never even manage to achieve as much as saving the life of one dog.

edit: Having said that, I've already acknowledged that I consider web petitions to be worthless. Sometimes even worse, since spoofed signatures, feeble support and poor handling can damage the credibility of your cause. The type of snobbish authority to whom petitions can make a difference still respond better to paper - similar to how some organisations demand that you always put a complaint in writing if you have one and that will be their only official channel for major complaints.

 

[Raziaar]

Let's cure cancer and world hunger people... everything else has to wait until we're finished!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

As far as your second argument about being responsible I really don't get what your trying to say? With the animals you eat, you have a direct connection because by buying their meat you have directly supported and rewarded the industry that killed them, you do not have that with every development out there.

Yeah, but there's also one striking problem to me; if they where brutally slaughtered just for its meat, and nobody eats it, then the animal has been wasted.

Whats your opinion on that?

duh because you are wrong? there isnt a single person here who would be able to defend factory farms and the needless cruelty visited on animals just so you can order a meal and have it front of you within 5 minutes

Very true.

I been having a lot of trouble on youtube convincing people that animal cruelty is wrong. What do you say to them? What can we say to them?

 

[Darkside55]

there isnt a single person here who would be able to defend factory farms and the needless cruelty visited on animals just so you can order a meal and have it front of you within 5 minutes

I can.

I'm the top of the food chain.

That's my defense.

 

[Solaris]

I can.

I'm the top of the food chain.

That's my defense.

That's not a defense, it's a mostly correct fact.

If we use our animal background to justify things... well murders OK then....

 

[K e r b e r o s]

But I think we're seperate from animals in that our capacity for ethics and empathy makes us more then whats common in nature. We're shepards of the planet really.

 

[Pesmerga]

Shepherd? More like cancer. We're not "above" other animals morally speaking, we're just better at surviving.

There is no good, there is no bad, there is only biology and poetry.

 

[99.vikram]

I been having a lot of trouble on youtube convincing people that animal cruelty is wrong. What do you say to them? What can we say to them?

Stop talking to us. Please, for the love of Darwin p) stop forcing your viewpoint on random strangers.

 

[Godron]

Originally posted by Mechagodzila
10a: Naturalistic Fallacy:
Any claim that draws an ethical conclusion from whether something is "natural" or unnatural" is invalid.

^^ This seems a bit relevant now.

Gray Fox was right, you can't justify meat eating just by saying it's natural, because violence, bullying and rape are also natural. Evolution is not a morral guide. That's not the first time I've said that and it won't be the last. One of the things that makes us human is the ability to rise above nature, and make our own decisions about what's right and wrong.

Having said that, I might justify eating meat because it's probably healthier, seeing as our bodies have clearly evolved to do so. I'm not sure where vegetarians get iron from. We can sometimes justify things that are natural because they are healthy, like sleeping 8 hours a night. At least farmed animals have the luxury of a relatively painless death, compared to wild animals. Plus they rarely have to worry about starvation or predators. I'd prefer them to be free-range, of course, and I don't support battery farming because of the pain the animals endure during all their lives. But that doesn't mean I can't support the principal of them being farmed in the first place. They're not free, but do they really know or care?

We distance ourselves from problems we are distant from, regardless of how urgent they are. That's the point Solaris and the artist guy were making, yes? I'm not really sure whether or not to be ashamed of it.