Dejavou Dream

I have a tip for those who wants to dream alot at any night u wish, just eat some icecream the minute before u go sleeping. It works really well.
 
I had a dream of going to CompUSA last night. I was planning on buying a RAM upgrade, but I could not get in because, well, CompUSA was a giant castle much like in Zelda games. I ran along the side of the castle to get in, and had to open the door with my sword to avoid the traps. Then I threw a grenade up the stairs to take out the guard. After I got in, the guys at the front desk showed me a cheaper version of ram I could buy. It looked like little cymbals lined up on a metal pole. I was reluctant to buy it. Then all these college chicks came in, and the guy at the desk let me try out his electronic binoculars. They had an electronic zoom. Was very cool. I hooked up with a chick, and then got her number. Bam, I woke up.
 
I can occasionally control my dreams, not always, I remember I had a dream with some freddy krueger looking dude chasing me and I could kinda see where the dream was going so I flew into the air and nailed him with a kamehameha, then the dream fell apart and I woke up, the look on his face was amusing though.

I die in my dreams alot too, like I died 3 times in one dream before what kinda crap is that? Haha, I drowned, then was suddenly on top of a ledge and someone pushed me off, then right when I hit the ground I was somewhere else and got shot to death.

Did your friend realize that his mind is making it up, so his 'framerates' are only what he thinks they are, it is limited by your imagination, if you imagine or go toward thinking everything is really precise then it will be so, if you think it will be slow it will be so.

The last nightmare I had of any effect was one of being abducted by aliens.. I've always been freaked out by that stuff (watched x-files and fire in the sky too much as a child) so anyway they were dragging me around and had me on a table and I was screaming loudly and then I woke up sitting bolt upright.. yelling, very very cold in a sweat... backwards on my bed with the pillow at my feet, and my covers were on the other side of the room in a small pile toward the window, and I had never sleep walked or anything before so it freaked the piss out of me.

Also infinite is hard to comprehend as well as oblivion... oblivion, frankly don't worry about it, just think about how oblivion was before you existed, see you didn't care then you won't care after it shouldn't scare you, lol... also it is assumed that their is a finite amount of stars and what-not, granted it is possible that their is others and their light hasn't reached our planet yet so we can see it whatever but i think its best to go on what we know and not on assumptions eh? Empty space is also not empty if you've read anything about quantum foam, small particles are constantly popping in and out of existence at the quantum level which cause very small gravity distortions in the space time continuum which form a sort of foam effect... some believe that this is 'energy' and constitutes what exists in a certain place at a certain time and that sort of crap...

To think of infinite as my science teacher put it, think if their was a wall surrounding the universe, think of what would be on the other side... nothing right? Well thats how it is... just nothings their.
 
About the universe, you could probably go in straight line in a ship forever without reaching an "end". That's because our Universe is in 4 dimensions, and we're in 3. Imagine that you're in 2D right now, and you're walking on Earth. You try to reach the end of the world. You tell yourself "There MUST be and end" but there is not, not for you, because the idea of a sphere is unconceivable in 2D. So you walk in straight line, and guess what, you arrive at your start point. Many scientists think that the same applies to us. We can't even imagine 4D "objects", but just like 2D entities on a sphere, we would never find any end to the universe.

About the multiple universe, it's a theory based on quantic physics. Each time an event happen and there was another possibility, the universe splits. So if you throw a dice, and you get a 1, there is 5 other universes created with the 5 remaining possibilities. This concept is weird, because that would mean a f***ing load of universes. I don't think it's to be taken litterally, but more like a concept to understand quantic physics. Suppose you have a cat in a box. In this box, you have poisoned cat food. You can't hear or see the cat, you can't know if he's dead or not. Well, according to quantic physics, both are true. Why? Because you don't know. So you have to consider every possibility.

About dreams, keep in mind that dreams are a way for the brain to classify envery new memory (that's what the most accepted theory says). So dreams are usually a mix of many different things influenced by the past days.

"Déjà vu" is a french expression meaning "Already seen". That was the right spelling.
As previously said, it's your brain's fault. Next time you have this feeling, just stick a pen up your nose to punish your evil brain.

I personnally seldom remember my dreams. I won't say I seldom dream because that would be bulls***, everyone dreams something like 3 or 4 times each night. I talk a lot during my dreams too. Weird, people say I sound like I'm talking anothe language. Maybe I speak three language and I don't know ;).
 
every time u get a deja vu, *they* change something...

/me hides
 
Originally posted by worldspawn
i realize even though i can't understand something i can believe it better than a cop out like "God just created it" without an explanation. or "You just go to heaven" .. i do believe when you die, their is oblivion, because after all, your brain would no longer be functioning, therefore there would be no perception, no you, no thought.. you're dead, you're not in some cloud filled wonderland.


you do realize that if heaven existed, and your thought pattern was anything like it was here, that in heaven with endless joy and enjoyment, you'd eventually go insane, existing and thinking for ALL OF ETERNITY doesn't seem as enjoyable to me as it might be made out by preacher joe.
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you seriously underestimate perfect environment. How do you expect to understand gods way and the universe perfectly when you are only human.
 
im not able to control my dreams, but when i was younger, i was able to control when i wanted my dreams to end. see a giant with an axe comming at you? pop! end dream.
 
Originally posted by Morbo
About the multiple universe, it's a theory based on quantic physics. Each time an event happen and there was another possibility, the universe splits. So if you throw a dice, and you get a 1, there is 5 other universes created with the 5 remaining possibilities. This concept is weird, because that would mean a f***ing load of universes.
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You see that sort of umm counfounds me that people think that cause I don't believe that is possible. Because I don't believe in chance, I mean all chance is is a generalization for convenience of the time it would take to consider every variable, A dice throw.. their no "chance" only what happened, it is a combination of velocity, air resistance, gravity, angle at which it hits the table, friction, whatever things of that nature, but what happens happens their is no two ways about it, I mean you can program a machine to throw a dice the same way at the same amount of power and have the same result every time. the grass growing is not random, it is a variety of attributes such as their DNA, nutrient availability, and crap like that, we give chances to things because we don't have all that time to spare or the ability to count things precisely.
So I don't believe that Al Gore could be president.. because he isn't.. I mean honestly if their was a fifty fifty chance it simply would not make sense because nothing would enforce one for happening and would have nothing to depend upon to cause one to happen over another, also why exactly would your particular consciousness pervade to this particular universe and not all of them, I mean you can't say that its just you as an organism sort of thing, because if they are all conscious beings, nothing would make YOU particularly aware over any of the other ones..
 
They never said the universe will definitely discontinue expanding, the only reason is gravitational disruption. If this was the case and it contracted, it would not make another big bang, it would become a cohesive mass of massive gravitation, it would probably result in either dark matter, or a super massive (scientific term) black hole.
 
Originally posted by trantjd
I thought that lucid dreaming was where you're in control of your dream on an almost conscious level. It allows you to determine what happens in your dream. It's a pretty cool idea and supposedly possible for certain people.
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Yah, that's it exactly. I have lucid dreams about once a month. Usually I decide to start flying, so I jump up in the air. Another cool thing to do if you realize you are dreaming is to look around for a mirror, and look at your face while dreaming; this can be really cool or sometimes scare you awake, it is very vivid.

One way to train yourself to lucid dream (most people can do it if they practice) is, if you realize you are dreaming, try looking at your hands. I know this sounds simple/weird, but it really works to help keep you in your dream and learn to take control of it.

I have lots of memories of lucid dreams, many of them have been like traveling to different places, or seeing people that are long gone from my life. It's worth looking for more info on lucid dreaming on the internet, if interested. I have a life separate from real life, in my dreamworld --- Soli
 
Is your real life really that bad!?

Usually when i realise i'm dreaming, you know, when you realise it's not real, i automatically try to wake up, so i don't get the chance to create another life:cheese:
 
i don't see how you guys ever realize your dreaming?

i wake up and realize i jsut had a dream, then 2 minutes later i don't remebr teh dream at all.
 
It's so cool when you gain partial control, although i've never had full control, and when i try to do stuff it never works out or i can't do it.

I remember one time i was trying to fly, but i had to flap my arms and i couldn't flap them fast enough, i could only get a few metres off the ground. Even though i knew it was a dream i couldn't do it.
 
Originally posted by Animal
Is your real life really that bad!?

Usually when i realise i'm dreaming, you know, when you realise it's not real, i automatically try to wake up, so i don't get the chance to create another life:cheese:
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You asking me? My rl is wonderful, thanks. I have a beautiful Russian wife, a twelve year old daughter who is my angel on earth, and a baby girl on the way. My job as a RN allows me to really help people sometimes, + it pays the bills. I am a musician that has recorded & sold original music in tours all over the SouthEastern US. I've lived around the world (Japan, England, Russia, Hawaii to drop names). I've been involved with the internet since 1986 (BBS was all we had back then).

My dreams only serve to enhance my life. My dream life allows me to create worlds, music, & travels that I would surely miss if I didn't have them.

You should really try staying in your dream; it can be scary at first to realize that you are in a place where anything can happen (your mind can make up the most fantastic, crazy-scary things), but it is worth it to me.

Or not. And let those 6-10 hours per day go by in your life. I prefer to live in my dreams too, b/c I don't believe that there is anything after this life so I should live every minute of this one as much as possible - including my sleeping minutes --- Soli
 
its a shame, you have nothing to lose in believing there is more after life. but everything to lose if you don't.
 
Originally posted by worldspawn
true. :thumbs:

one last thing.. tell me, where does the universe end? and even if this "end" is a stop of any planets or stars or space dust, still, what's after that? endless space? or is there a definitive end such as a wall or something? built by who and what's on the other side? or maybe it just loops into itself and if travelling fast enough.. you could travel in a straight path and cross the same space over and over through some kind of teleportation or looped space?
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I think of stuff like this from time to time myself. It's relly facinating but at the same time kinda scarry.
 
Originally posted by Quotidian---
its a shame, you have nothing to lose in believing there is more after life. but everything to lose if you don't.
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That is a curious argument that was first made a couple hundred years ago. The part about having 'nothing to lose' is incorrect, however; the intellectual man loses his integrity if he tries to believe in something that he really cannot accept as true.

Seems to me that an all-loving, omniscient, omnipotent god would not punish me for creating me in the first place to be exactly the questioning, inquisitive, intellectual person that I am. I have never seriously harmed anyone in my life, & in my profession I help those sick people that most others ignore/run away from (I am a psych RN). I'd like to see the Bible-thumpers do more for people than just run their mouths & condemn others.

Besides paraphrasing past religious arguments, what do YOU do for mankind?
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Well, for those people not lucky enough to be born with the gift of lucid dreaming, there are actually excercises you can practice in order to achieve the ability. They also help your dream recall (how much you remember of the dream).

There are a number of books available if you're really interested. I didn't have the patience to do the exercises often, but had still experienced a couple of lucid dreams.

Dreaming is really an incredibly fascinating subject.
 
Ah yes, 'Pascal's wager', it's called.

"If god does not exist I have nothing to lose by believing in him, and if he does exist I have a lot to lose by not believing in him"

But, you do have something to lose by believing in him. Your ability to think will be limited by whatever the church believes. You lose the ability to think for yourself. Your actions will even be restricted. You can't live your life anymore, you live what is acceptable by your religion.

And say I do believe in god. What happens if a different god is the true one?
I'd just be much less hateful towards religions if they stopped telling others what to believe and how to live.
 
everything within the universe is finite. we are finite, planets and stars are finite, time itself is finite. this also means the universe itself is finite.

this would mean the universe does have an edge, a beginning and an end. just because we can't understand whats beyond those confines doesn't mean they dont exist.

to assume the opposite, the the universe is infinite, or wraps around at the edges, is contrary to how everything else works as we currently understand it. since you can assume the universe operates on rules that are near absolute, its preposterous to assume that the size/lifetime of the universe is somehow an exception. its the same stuff, just on a much bigger and barely comprehensible scale.
 
Originally posted by Animal
It's so cool when you gain partial control, although i've never had full control, and when i try to do stuff it never works out or i can't do it.

I remember one time i was trying to fly, but i had to flap my arms and i couldn't flap them fast enough, i could only get a few metres off the ground. Even though i knew it was a dream i couldn't do it.
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there is no spoon. you can do it if you know you can.
 
i just thought of it know, but i can never remember any of my Dejavu's ? can u guys? i know i have felt it a few times, and i was sure it happend before, but i cannot remember what it was.
 
Originally posted by harhar
you seriously underestimate perfect environment. How do you expect to understand gods way and the universe perfectly when you are only human.
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how am i expected to believe something which is neither logical or understandable, if i am only human.
 
Originally posted by Aethaecyn
You see that sort of umm counfounds me that people think that cause I don't believe that is possible. Because I don't believe in chance, I mean all chance is is a generalization for convenience of the time it would take to consider every variable, A dice throw.. their no "chance" only what happened, it is a combination of velocity, air resistance, gravity, angle at which it hits the table, friction, whatever things of that nature, but what happens happens their is no two ways about it, I mean you can program a machine to throw a dice the same way at the same amount of power and have the same result every time. the grass growing is not random, it is a variety of attributes such as their DNA, nutrient availability, and crap like that, we give chances to things because we don't have all that time to spare or the ability to count things precisely.
So I don't believe that Al Gore could be president.. because he isn't.. I mean honestly if their was a fifty fifty chance it simply would not make sense because nothing would enforce one for happening and would have nothing to depend upon to cause one to happen over another, also why exactly would your particular consciousness pervade to this particular universe and not all of them, I mean you can't say that its just you as an organism sort of thing, because if they are all conscious beings, nothing would make YOU particularly aware over any of the other ones..
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i agree with you one hundred percent, interestingly enough this also means there is no human choice, there is just reactants which are a victim to existence and reaction, the only reason any decision is made, or the reason any action happens, is because of every moment before it.. think one thousand years ago.. this point could be determined, but not because someone being psychic, but if someone were able to just look at and understand the only option for each moment to this point, they'd be able to see this point.. it's kind of hard to understand because we are unable to do this ourselves... but the physics of the universe only permit one possible outcome for every moment, a dice roll is not random, it's defined by the reality of existence.. all the effects of the universe we consider, and many that we don't... the dice is going to land where it's going to land, no matter if we know where it's going to land or not, also the only reason the dice was thrown, was because of all the events before it, even thouse leading past human existence, all our building blocks for the present.. this moment is based off nothing but the moment before it, and that on the one before it... untill the beginning of time, or this universe as we know it. it's very interesting to think about/discuss this, i spent an hour last week discussing it with my teacher.
 
I had a dream once where I felt like I could do something over, like God was telling me I could go back in time. Weird thing was my brother died the week before in an accident while me, my mom and dad were driving to Nova Scotia, that morning I was contemplating whether I should go to Nova Scotia or stay home. That was the most spiritual dream i've ever had.
 
Originally posted by Solidarnosi
That is a curious argument that was first made a couple hundred years ago. The part about having 'nothing to lose' is incorrect, however; the intellectual man loses his integrity if he tries to believe in something that he really cannot accept as true.

Seems to me that an all-loving, omniscient, omnipotent god would not punish me for creating me in the first place to be exactly the questioning, inquisitive, intellectual person that I am. I have never seriously harmed anyone in my life, & in my profession I help those sick people that most others ignore/run away from (I am a psych RN). I'd like to see the Bible-thumpers do more for people than just run their mouths & condemn others.

Besides paraphrasing past religious arguments, what do YOU do for mankind?
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i agree with you 100% .. how can it be my fault if this is my opinion that a god does not exist.. even though i feel this way, i am also not worried by the fact that some other human beings believe that people are punished after death because of what occurs in life, or rewarded rather, because i do not believe it to be true... therefore it really does not affect me. interesting though, i believe in the action of death, as your body loses energy and your brain shuts down, that the perception of time, and reality can definately change, therefore if people have an expectation based on religion, the last moments before their death may seem to be an eternity of enjoyment, because afterall, their brain does not work the same way at all.. and time may be meaningless, also, even if it doesn't seem or feel that way, what's the difference from going to expecting to be in a place like heaven and going instantly to oblivion, to actually going to that place? oblivion is oblivion you know, it's not like you "realize" you actually didn't go to heaven just because it doesn't exist. There are many unanswerable questions, many things which don't seem logical, factual, or rational in christian (and most other) based religions based on how i know to think, so therefore my only option is to choose not to believe in them.

one thing i hold as fact in my mind, is that i know that humans while alive will never know for 100% sure if a god exists or not, holding personal belief is not fact, and even if you base your point of view of existence off of your belief, it doesn't make the belief an actual part of existence.. though, i don't think that there is any other option for me than to believe in what i think would make the most sense, and currently that is atheism. .. you could say i'm agnostic leaning towards atheism, but atheist if i had to decide.

Mana from the bible, is know being found out as a translation for a species of psycho-active and hallucinogenic fungi which grew in the area of the world during the time the parts of the bible which mention it were documented. - interesting.

Shamans 5,000 years before christ was born were practicing their belief based on a spiritual world which they travelled to with the use of psychoactive drugs, and in which they encountered many different gods and had many extreme visions, think at this time they offered much wisdom from this belief, and believed it fully, they are 100% certain in what they believe, this neither makes it true or untrue, much like christianity, just because people can be convinced of something, does not make it true.
 
einstein believed in life after death because energy can never cease to stop or exist. or something to that nature. i myself am still a little undecided.
 
It has been scientifically proven that the very second a man or women dies he or her looses about 5gramms of weight, every time. I saw on TV how they messuared it. They had a man that was in koma and they knew that he was going to die any second, so they had a wave fitted under his bed that showed precisely how much he weight. And the second his heart stopped he went some gramms lighter as if something had left his body.
 
I have had 3 or 4 lucid dreams. I became aware that I was alseep, and dreaming. I could decide what I wanted to do, and I realized I could do ANYTHING. I ran as fast as cars, flew, and had lots of sex. Unfortunately, when I have a lucid dream, they seem to last shorter than most of my dreams.(some seem like days, most lucid dreams seem like minutes)
 
Originally posted by SilentKilla
i just thought of it know, but i can never remember any of my Dejavu's ? can u guys? i know i have felt it a few times, and i was sure it happend before, but i cannot remember what it was.
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DejaVu(sp?) is actually caused by a slowdown of your brain. (I'll explain it in terms of a computer)Your brain places the info into memory at the same speed the events happen, but it is stored into RAM(active memory) slower. This gives you the feeling that it has already happened, because you are actually recording the situation before you participate. I personally believe it is a small form of Epilepsy. In severe cases of epilepsy(like my father), a person will seem to freeze in mid thought, or blank out for entire minutes, and not even be able to stop it. They are conscious, yet they are unable to move or speak. I personaly have had this happen to me, and have seen it first hand.
 
Originally posted by KiNG
einstein believed in life after death because energy can never cease to stop or exist. or something to that nature. i myself am still a little undecided.
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The energy from your body will be transferred to other places after you die.
 
Originally posted by KiNG
einstein believed in life after death because energy can never cease to stop or exist. or something to that nature. i myself am still a little undecided.
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i realize my body still holds an amount of energy, but i don't see kinetic energy as a sign of life, life is defined more intricately than that, and i believe when the energy no longer relates to your brain, actions or perception, and those functions cease to work/exist, that life is truly over in the sense of how we know life.
 
Originally posted by Ankster
It has been scientifically proven that the very second a man or women dies he or her looses about 5gramms of weight, every time. I saw on TV how they messuared it. They had a man that was in koma and they knew that he was going to die any second, so they had a wave fitted under his bed that showed precisely how much he weight. And the second his heart stopped he went some gramms lighter as if something had left his body.
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something usually is lost at death, muscle control, therefore muscles such as those in the anus relax.. allowing feces to be excreted. how would it make sense that 5 grams of weight was the weight of a "soul" .. do you know what a small amount of weight that is?
 
http://www.near-death.com/

If you go there and read a few stories...they all are similar and its really really intresting.

There are hundreds of stories, I remember reading one and it was talking about deja vu.

Really intresting stuff that boggles the mind and makes you think about life in particulat.

I advise you to check it out.
 
People, i got a theory!
When you travel beyond the speed of light, you go into the future right?
So when you are dreaming your brain works so fast it goes beyond that time and you can dream about things yet to come!
think about it, where's the proof i'm wrong?

i have future dreams sometimes, about someone saying something or playing a scene at a game but it might also be possible that tha tperson has said it before or you played the scene before or saw it before but you didn't think about it
 
Originally posted by Stingey
People, i got a theory!
When you travel beyond the speed of light, you go into the future right?
So when you are dreaming your brain works so fast it goes beyond that time and you can dream about things yet to come!
think about it, where's the proof i'm wrong?
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Sorry but there's lots of proof. First off, the speed of light is the accepted theoretical limit of any object with mass. Then there's the human brain, which actually works fairly slowly especially compared with the speed of a photon, or electricity for that matter; impulses through the nerve system & neurons are much slower than light speed - I forget at what speed they conduct electricity, but in any case any type of flesh (including neurons & nerve cells) has much more resistance than say metal objects like tongue piercings (qv general off-topic forum for lightning-rod girl, where this thread should be by now too).
 
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