desert eagle

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by bastard_loud
I wasn't aiming at you specifically with my last post Crabcakes,
but i was talking about some of the crazy gun fanatics, as you call them.
I know there's a diff between a gun looking sexy and sex.
But you have to agree with me when i say that there are people out there who have trouble seeing this difference.

As for the ammo, im quite surprised to hear that paintballammo is more expensive than the firearm kind. That just sounds very odd to me, although i'll believe you when you say so.

I'm not knocking targetshooting, because like i said, i can imagine it being fun for a while. Even done some of myself with a BB-gun.

As for the gunlaws i mentioned earlier...

In a country with such a high crimerate, lots of firearm-involved murders, highschool, snipershootings etc etc etc, isn't it just ridiculous to allow every citizen to bear arms? Keep pointing at videogames, movies and whatnot, but lets be honest here - taking away people's rights to have firearms would solve LOTS and LOTS of problems. I'm not saying it's THE solution, but it would definately help people look at other methods to resolve their "issues".

BTW if my posts seem incoherent or something, my apologies for English isn't my native language. I'm trying my best tho

Non-flaming Greets,

B. Loud.

Your english is fine dont worry about that.

Im really not sure if making guns ilegal to own, would solve the problem(not that making theM ilegal would happen anyway).

A qoute from another forum:


Posted by Hoagster

So, given: Here in Switzerland every man over 18 is issued an assault rifle to keep at home. Hand guns are very easy to pick up (especially across the border), ie thugs don't even need illegal channels to pick weapons. A lot of crap is coming in from places like nearby Bosnia. There are virtually no accidental shootings at home and the crime rate is very low.

Therefore, I dont think one can come straight out and say that if everybody had guns the place would fall into chaos, nor that having guns at home automatically increases the risk of killing kids, nor would I even say that everybody having guns is the reason the crime rate here is low. I think it has a whole lot more to do with the culture/attitude about guns.

 

[bastard_loud]

I understand what you (and that Hoagster dude) are saying, it DOES have a lot to do with the culture and attitude towards guns.
It's just my opinion that making guns illegal for civilians, would be a little step towards the place where everybody "just gets along".
You're probably right about it not ever happening.

Anyways, i guess this is too big of a subject to discuss on a forum.
If country leaders can't seem to figure out the right way to handle this problem, i guess we can't either.

But i still think the NRA are a bunch of retards

Thanks for replying!

 

[PvtRyan]

Yeah it's more the attitude than the actual guns, but guns certainly makes it easier for people to resolve to violence.
I don't know if crimerates rise because of the firearm laws, but violent crimes are higher I think.

"Guns dont kill people, guns help to kill people, because I think you wouldn't kill a lot of people by yelling BANG."

 

[bastard_loud]

Yea, that's what i meant really. If you don't have a gun lying around, you're less likely tempted to use one if you have an issue with somebody.
Ofcourse, if you really plan to kill someone, not having a gun isn't too big of a problem. There's always knives, for example.

But stabbing someone to death is more personal i would believe, and therefore would occur less, as most murders happen in a blind rage.

 

[theotherguy]

watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns

(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by theotherguy
watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns

(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)

Its not quite that simple.....

 

[Shirow-DG]

Its not quite that simple.....

But it's not a whole lot more complicated either

 

[FoB_Ed]

Ofcourse, if you really plan to kill someone, not having a gun isn't too big of a problem. There's always knives, for example.

or martial arts! WATAAAAAH! :bounce:

 

[Prince of China]

Who ever bumped this thread off should know that this thread is like a month old:|

 

[theotherguy]

oh really? :cheese:

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by Tredoslop
Who ever bumped this thread off should know that this thread is like a month old:|

thats funny since its no more than 2 weeks old.....

 

[Detharin]

Originally posted by crabcakes66
Nice to hear somone who sounds like they know what they are talking about.

Its still hard for me to believe a .50DE is an effective weapon.

Although ive read and heard the recoil on a .357 magnum is worse.... only shot a 357 once and my wrist was a little sore afterwards.

Revolver or Semi Auto? Ive fired a .44 revolver and the kick was pretty bad, wheres firing my Desert Eagle the weight and design of the gun seems to control the kick better. My Mark I 357 i consider the kick to be pretty light given the weight of the gun. If your holding it right, and not limp wristing you body absorbs most of the impact and your left with a slight jerking of straight up and slightly to the right (for me at least).

The .44 on the other hand kicks harder but not to much. Its all in holding the gun properly and positioning your body. Some people recommend a weaver stance and ive found that to work well with both guns.


As for the statement about the .50 being an effective weapon, it is a good all around gun. If im busting into a room it will work well because one shot will drop most targets body armor or not. Sure a shotgun would work better, but a Desert Eagle would do fine. Just keep in mind its going to go through the target, through the wall behind the target, and probably at least another wall or two.

Ive heard rumor most SWAT or anti-terrorist groups have a Desert Eagle on hand just in case they have to deal with an armored target. This is after what happened in LA when two men in heavy body armor robbed a bank. The police issue 9mms would just splat against it.

If im sniping, a Desert Eagle with a scope should do ok. The factory sights are for 100 yards and you can add adjustable millet sights if you wish. I bought my mark XIX used, the finish had rubbed off in places and it had factory front sights and millet rear sights. In a check or two im going to get the front millets installed. You can snipe with a Desert Eagle but not at extreme ranges. I would say your fine up to 100 yards and beyond that the shooter will cause more misses than the gun.

 

[Sulkdodds]

He's absolutely right. The IMI desert eagle (whether 50. or 357.) is perfect as a sniper's sidearm for close-up wetwork, or for an assault troop with a shotgun or something. It's certainly my favourite handgun in existence.
I have a question though. While my knowledge of guns is reasonably anal (despite living in the uk) I want to know what a falcon is. It's a real gun, and anyone who's played syphon filter will know it. It's apparently a modified eagle that can take any round calibre from 357. to 50. AE. Is this true?
And as for morality, I'm not against guns, but I am against bullets. Why not sell guns, but make ammunition illegal? If you must go hunting, set up reserves where you get ammo going in and get it taken away on the way out. I have nothing against love of guns, or gun collectors, but certainly a step in the right direction would be firing ranges that supply guns, and don't let you bring your own. As would banning sale of ammunition.

Oh, and paintball is the best thing ever.

 

[Detharin]

i select the option of a subject

A falcon as far as i know is a work of fiction. While a Desert Eagle can take a 357, 44, 440 corbor (hard to get these days), and .50 (.41 where available on an earlier model the mark VII i believe.) the 357 requires the changing of the bolt. While the bolt for the 44 and 50 is the same, a different bolt is used on the 357. It also strikes me as a bad idea to put a 357 round through the barrel that is designed for a 50. Plus youd have to carry a clip for each ammo type as a 357 shell will fit comfortable inside a 44 shell, and a 44 shell will fit inside a 50.

I just wish they would allow you to put a 10inch barrel on the desert eagle. It would be nice to have the 6inch with the laser sight and get a 10 inch with a scope attached for sniper work.

As far as video games taking liberties i still laugh about counterstrikes damage being lowered on the .50 at medium to long range and Rainbow Six Raven Shield having the option for both a 15 round magazine and a silencer for the .50.

 

[crabcakes66]

Re: i select the option of a subject

Originally posted by Detharin

As far as video games taking liberties i still laugh about counterstrikes damage being lowered on the .50 at medium to long range and Rainbow Six Raven Shield having the option for both a 15 round magazine and a silencer for the .50.

I laugh at all the weapon characteristics in CS....and the fact that kids think its realictic.

Originally posted by Detharin
Revolver or Semi Auto?

It was a short barreled revolver.

..and humourously enough the guy had a lasersight on it..............

needless to say the red dot was on the ceiling more than anywhere else.

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by theotherguy
watch bowling for columbine, it should help you understand why americans are so adept to kill each other with guns

Just be sure to fast forward through the staged scenes, false information, splices speeches, manipulated images, mis-represented facts, etc, etc, etc.

Originally posted by theotherguy
(the u.s has over 11,000 gun deaths each year, places like germany, and canada rareley have anywhere near 200, and canada is estimated to have more guns per capita)

All of these numbers are wrong, just plain wrong. How the hell can you even talk of this subject without doing any research on it?


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For everyone who says the .50 DE is useless I would like to inform you that it is a good moose hunting weapon. Theres a bunch of guys around here that go out every year with thiers and hunt. You have to get within 30 meters of the moose, which makes it more sporting for the animal.

In addition, these guys can take pride in thier kills, cause it took skill for every one.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

You have to get within 30 meters of the moose, which makes it more sporting for the animal.

Why? Do you give the moose a gun too?

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by PiMuRho
Why? Do you give the moose a gun too?

No, but youre not garuenteed a single-shot take down if you try from any more.

 

[Flyingdebris]

moose are pretty big, i have no hunting experience what so ever, but are they that hard to hit?

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by Flyingdebris
moose are pretty big, i have no hunting experience what so ever, but are they that hard to hit?

Well, like I said, I'm not the one doing the hunting. But the guys who go out say thats how close they get, and they do it so they get a single shot take-down and dont have to chase a moose through the bushes waiting for it to bleed to death.

 

[Detharin]

Re: Re: i select the option of a subject

Originally posted by crabcakes66
I laugh at all the weapon characteristics in CS....and the fact that kids think its realictic.



It was a short barreled revolver.

..and humourously enough the guy had a lasersight on it..............

needless to say the red dot was on the ceiling more than anywhere else.

I know the feeling on that, laser sites are good for telling how your handling the recoil. In the case of on the ceiling not very well : )
Im almost considering getting one that mounts on the trigger guard. Not so much for intimidation value as to work on my recovery. Need to get the gun refinished first though.