Did the Twin Towers collapse due to demolition?

[>>FrEnZy<<]

Just want to get a poll up here to see the general consensus on this issue.

 

[SIGbastard]

Just want to get a poll up here to see the general consensus on this issue.

On another note, a question of equal validity..... Is it possible the moon really is made out of cheese?

 

[OCybrManO]

Is it possible the moon really is made out of cheese?

According to Google Moon... yes.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

depends on your definition of cheese.
Who thinks terrrorists planted the explosives there?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Well obviously it wasn't a "controlled demolition".

I'd like to take this opportunity to ask Clarky and/or anyone else who claims otherwise to write a complete summary of their crazyhouse beliefs into one post in this thread.

As for the style of that post, try this for once:

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/mentoring/project_scientific_method.shtml

 

[Spectre01]

Mr. Bush blew them up.

 

[Pajari]

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/mentoring/project_scientific_method.shtml

Get that heresy out of here.

Also, even split? Did the sick beats in those conspiracy videos get to some people?

 

[Ome_Vince]

the planes hitting them.
2 white pixels on 3 frames and 3 random smoke puffs during collapse isnt convincing that the; lol-> US army strapped missiles to the boeing and controlled demolishen collapsed the structure.

 

[gick]

What happened was this:
1. Crazy islamic extremists hijack planes
2. Crazies fly planes into towers
3. Towers fall down

I am very willing to challenge what I hear on the news etc, but having read/seen/heard an awful lot of these theories, I believe that then majority of them are bullshit.

Im pretty sure somebody mentioned this in the other thread, but I think Occam's Razor applies here.

 

[nutcrackr]

they fell from top down, not bottom

 

[bigburpco]

Yeah right. Controlled explosion indeed. So what did the plane do? Get stuck in the building? No, seriously, conspiracies suck. It's obvious what happened.

EDIT: Besides, if it was a controlled explosion it wouldn't have fallen like that or taken so long to fall.

 

[Raziaar]

No....

Giant cows flew into them...

 

[the_lone_wolf]

there was a very professionally prepared, convincing case somewhere, and actually backed up by a lot of respected research and testing that the towers couldn't have collapsed through the force or heat of the planes hitting them, or the fuel burning afterwards...

i'll see if i can find it later

 

[Ome_Vince]

here we go again...
:S

 

[Murray]

Since what I've seen, makes the demolition theory more plausable, I'd have to go with the explosives.
I'd like to hear people give a more compelling explanation than the bloke who made Loose Change though.

 

[baxter]

As blindingly obvious as it might seem the towers fell because planes were slammed into them.

Edit....... for those who don't believe the moon is made of cheese here is a poll proving it is........Cheesy poll

 

[Sonic]

Mr. Bush blew them up.

Thats so not true. He just gave the order

 

[UltraProAnti]

a question for those who believe it was planes flying into them that made the twin towers come down: if they HADN'T collapsed, would you have been surprised? would this have confounded your expectations?

if the answer is 'yes', please explain what technical knowledge or historical precendence (or whatever reason) would have led you to that expectation

 

[Ome_Vince]

i didnt expect them to collapse because from the outside it didnt seem that damaged, and at that time i hadnt read or heard anything on structure failures.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I hoped that they wouldn't collapse. I had no expectation either way, because it was an entirely unprecedented event.

Regardless, the towers didn't have to collapse to provide the justification for the attack on Afghanistan - the mere fact that they were successfully targetted by terrorists would have served as justification enough. That's why I don't credit the theory that the towers were deliberately rigged to explode in any kind of controlled demolition.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Who thinks terrrorists planted the explosives there?

There were rumors stating that the terrorists had bombs on the airplanes anyway. But, I believe the fires from the fuel and the office building themselves, disabled those explosives.

Or, if they were'nt disabled, were set-off by the heat.

In any case, we have to consider that the impact of the planes might have put a significant change on the balance of the World Trade Center structures themselves. Have you ever been hit by a plane?

 

[kaf11]

I hoped Regardless, the towers didn't have to collapse to provide the justification for the attack on Afghanistan - the mere fact that they were successfully targetted by terrorists would have served as justification enough. That's why I don't credit the theory that the towers were deliberately rigged to explode in any kind of controlled demolition.

Precisely. Where is the motive for a controlled demolition? Would a covert government group put their necks on the chopping block for no reason? The answer is no. A conspirator would plan an attack that had no chance of being traced back to them. They would certainly not demolish a building as thousands of cameras caught the collapse.

 

[D€vIL²]

YES. People need to do some research on this... is it completely obvious that there were explosions.

 

[Glirk Dient]

YES. People need to do some research on this... is it completely obvious that there were explosions.

No there isn't.

You can clearly see levels below the collapsing top where windows blow out. Let me clear something up for ya...when explosives go off that take out all of the supports for a level it will blow out more than 1 or 2 windows. It blows them all out from the shock not to mention the pressure change.

So why then did the 1 or 2 windows blow out? When the room collapses the air pressure increases greatly in a short amount of time. The air has no where to go so it builds up as the roof collapses in. Eventually the air pressure builds up so much it will blow something out and escape. Hence a window, not very strong so that blew out from the pressure and the air escapes.

Now...about those explosions, where do you see an entire floor of windows blow out not to mention the evidence of explosives after the building collapsed and the workers went through it. There were many many people in that effort, so where did the explosives go?

 

[D€vIL²]

The remains of the WTC were picked up and shipped off to China to be sold as scrap metal. To my knowledge there was no investigation of the remains and if there was I am positive there would have been evidence of explosives but our government wouldn't want that information to be released.

 

[NotATool]

The remains of the WTC were picked up and shipped off to China to be sold as scrap metal. To my knowledge there was no investigation of the remains and if there was I am positive there would have been evidence of explosives but our government wouldn't want that information to be released.

You're "positive" so it must be true right?

 

[Raziaar]

a question for those who believe it was planes flying into them that made the twin towers come down: if they HADN'T collapsed, would you have been surprised? would this have confounded your expectations?

if the answer is 'yes', please explain what technical knowledge or historical precendence (or whatever reason) would have led you to that expectation

I wouldn't have been surprised if they hadn't collapsed. I wasn't expecting them to collapse, and like others said, I was hoping they wouldn't. The thought wasn't even on my mind that they would, until I saw them actually collapsing on TV.

 

[Pajari]

We have about fourteen threads on this already. And you could make a post in one, thinking it was another, and it wouldn't actually matter. Just sayin', this is dumb.

 

[Glirk Dient]

The remains of the WTC were picked up and shipped off to China to be sold as scrap metal. To my knowledge there was no investigation of the remains and if there was I am positive there would have been evidence of explosives but our government wouldn't want that information to be released.

You still didn't respond to the rest of my thread. That was only a minor point, refute the rest of what I have said please.

 

[D€vIL²]

That actually sounds like a good point. I can't really argue that word for word, I'm not very familiar with the science behind that, but the way the towers came down (Debris being trajected the way it did), many people claiming to have heard explosions, the firefighters who said they heard explosions going off, graphs from a richter scale showing that some kind of major explosions were going off, smoke billowing from the base of the tower, and just the fact that those towers were constructed to take a hit from a 747 leads me to belive that this was a controlled demolition. WTC7 was most deffinatly a demoliton, that was annouced on TV. But whatever, everyone has a right to there own opinion, so you can belive whatever you belive.

 

[Raziaar]

I think that actually sounds like a good point. I can't really argue that word for word because I'm not very familiar with the science behind that. But the way it came down, and the proof from tons of people that they heard explosions go off, and seeing graphs from a richter scale, and seeing smoke billowing from the lower level of the tower leads me to belive that this was a controlled demolition.

Dude, there were videos of the trade center near the base of it, shown on history channel, at the time the towers first started collapsing... There were no explosion sounds.

 

[D€vIL²]

Dude, our government controls everything on TV. There's no way they are going to put anything on that would expose this conspiracy.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Isn't it funny how things get skewed? The towers were designed to withstand a hit from a 707, not a 747, and it was assumed that it would be an accidental collision. The towers were not designed with having a fully-laden and fuelled airliner smashing into them at high speed in mind.

WTC7 was most deffinatly a demoliton, that was annouced on TV.

If that was the case, then no-one would be disputing it.

Dude, our government controls everything on TV. There's no way they are going to put anything on that would expose this conspiracy.

Everything on TV? Everywhere? Wow...

 

[Lemonking]

run Pi run!!


honestly there is no conspriacy.

 

[Raziaar]

Everything on TV? Everywhere? Wow...

They control you too, Pi. :naughty:

 

[D€vIL²]

My bad on the 747, I get the #'s mixed up.

But by control everything I meant they wouldn't allow anything to air that would suggest this conspiracy, not every single thing.

 

[Raziaar]

My bad on the 747, I get the #'s mixed up.

But by control everything I meant they wouldn't allow anything to air that would suggest this conspiracy, not every single thing.

They don't have the greatest control over all the media networks. You notice all these news groups lambasting the government today? They had the same ability to do so back then.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I'd love to know how the government control and manipulate live broadcasts, especially those done by non-US media (i.e. the BBC coverage of 9/11). Do the government secretly route all transmissions through their Secret Media Centre, removing any unsavoury content? How then do they prevent people from revealing and questioning the fact that their broadcasts have been altered? Or is it some secret society that anyone working for the media, anywhere, has to belong to?

 

[Maxi]

I love how some conspiracy theories about the towers state that the jet fuel couldn't burn at a temperature to melt the steel I bars holding the building up. Well guess what, when metal gets hot enough, it becomes soft. What happends when it gets soft? It bends under force.

 

[D€vIL²]

I'd love to know how the government control and manipulate live broadcasts, especially those done by non-US media (i.e. the BBC coverage of 9/11). Do the government secretly route all transmissions through their Secret Media Centre, removing any unsavoury content? How then do they prevent people from revealing and questioning the fact that their broadcasts have been altered? Or is it some secret society that anyone working for the media, anywhere, has to belong to?

Well that they don't, the live broadcasts. But Alot of footage that was shown the day of the "Attacks" were never shown again. If you watch "In Plane Site" you will see some of this footage. Why would they never air it again?

I love how some conspiracy theories about the towers state that the jet fuel couldn't burn at a temperature to melt the steel I bars holding the building up. Well guess what, when metal gets hot enough, it becomes soft. What happends when it gets soft? It bends under force.

I don't see how that could make the whole ****ING thing fall down?!?!