Did we piss Gabe off?

[StickEGreenleaf]

I don't ever post on forums like these because I never have time to follow up on my post. Mainly I browse and on occasions say my opinions once or twice. So sorry if this has been discussed. Also if this is in the wrong forum feel free to move it.

Recently I noticed Gabe hasn't really said really anything lately. And when he does I hear he's short and/or rude. He rarely speaks to game sites even when it's not HL2 oriented. I was wondering if this is in part because of the attitude of many of the fanboys out there. I know Gabe has recieved several emails saying "I am truly dissappointed in Valve lack of responsibility" and a shitload more "OMG you BaSTarD! GiMME HL2!!1!!1."

I was thinking about it today and if I were Gabe I would feel terrible letting down my fans and even worse getting so much crap for it. Missing such a deadline is embarassing and is worse when you got people like Fragmaster rubbing it in your face everyday, and emails reminding you daily.

Not to mention I would feel betrayed when a fan hacked my companies computer and release my work that I had been working on in secret for 5 years. Then all your loyal fans downloaded it when you had worked so hard to keep it under wraps. That must suck more than anything. It's like getting someone a nice present and they open it and use it before your ready to give it to them.

I don't know about you but I would carry some animosty toward some of my fans after these acts. So what do you think, Did we piss Gabe and/or Valve off?

Anyways, that is just my opinion. Flame away...

 

[Brian Damage]

I think the poor dude has a right to be pissed off.

 

[Deputy J Garcia]

wheres the option "Gabe, Valve, and everyone else are happy because the release of HL2 is going to be very soon."

why the hell would he be pissed off? he is about to release an incredibly awesome game that is going to set a bunch of records and amaze many people and earn him a bunch of money. The delay and hacker incidents are far from uncommon these days so I am sure that he was aware that there are idiots out there that would be stupid enough to hack valve for some personal goals or whatever. The delay isn't anything he would be pissed about, HL 1 was delay an entire year.

 

[StickEGreenleaf]

No, the delay wouldn't piss him off. It is the treatment towards him after the delay. And I don't care if hackers are a commond thing. That would anger me more than anything.

 

[Quixote]

It sucks about the hacker but I've seen it written that action wasn't the cause of the delay. Gabe and Valve should catch a whole boatload of crap because of the way the whole "release date" snaffu was handled. Either valve no longer keeps Gabe in the loop or he was misleading fans by saying it would be published sept 30 up to sept 30. I think he's not so much hurt or pissed as that he's finally learned the lesson keep your mouth shut until it's really ready.

 

[Jackal hit]

i voted that gabe and valve are pissed... but i think not the entire community... but certain elements in it, like the overwhelmingly large number of idiot fanboys that flock to hl2. i think that part of the community is really pathetic. it even makes ME of all people (who have nothing to gain or lose by a game of all things) upset and embarrassed to be part of the hl2 community, because the bad elements are what get protrayed outwards to everywhere else. example: i know many many people who stopped playing counterstrike because of those damned fanboy 1337 speak people. even though the 1337 speak people are in a minority they're the ones who the counterstrike "community" get labelled after. okay ranting done i so wouldn't blame gabe/valve if they were/are pissed.

 

[un om bun]

Everyone is pissed and tired and bored. But hey, what can you do ?
I discovered there are other girls... I mean games out there which are worthy of my attention. Whatever happens and however the game will be, all this chapter will remain a sad one in my little gamers existence. I say we all come together for a virtual group-hug and start sending encouraging emails to Valve.
What do you say ?

 

[Dougy]

does it matter if hes pissed?


i dont consider him a friend.


if he goes arounf hyping up a game and then he cant deliver then what are the fans supposed to do?


he knew the risks and hyped it up anyway.

and no hacker delays a game for months, HL2 is f*cked that is the only thing that would delay it.

the only people realy pissed off are the banks who gave valve the $$$ to make hl2.

 

[PvtRyan]

does it matter if hes pissed?


i dont consider him a friend.


if he goes arounf hyping up a game and then he cant deliver then what are the fans supposed to do?


he knew the risks and hyped it up anyway.

and no hacker delays a game for months, HL2 is f*cked that is the only thing that would delay it.

the only people realy pissed off are the banks who gave valve the $$$ to make hl2.

You're a retard, seriously. Your sig proves it too. 5 years developement time doesn't say anything about the stage the game is in. Some games have been in developement for 7 years. It's an ambitious project, not the 236th shooter EA pumps out this year. I'd rather have 10 years of developement than a crappy millionth MoH sequel.

And "Gabe" (there are more people working at Valve you know) didn't hype up the game, gamers did. It's your own dumbass fault if you get disappointed, games get delayed sometimes you know.

And banks didn't gave Valve money (since when do banks give away anything? They're loaning you money) they paid the game with the money they got (and still getting) from HL1, cs and DoD, with some sponsorships by Ati.

PS: get some money from the bank and take some typinglessons.

PS2: there is a button called SHIFT to make capital letters.

 

[mrchimp]

He wasn't pissed off at fragmster for constantly criticizeing Valve so I doubt he will be pissed off with all the imature little idiots like Dougy who will look back at them selves in a couple of years time and think "oh god".

 

[Shinobi]

does it matter if hes pissed?


i dont consider him a friend.


if he goes arounf hyping up a game and then he cant deliver then what are the fans supposed to do?


he knew the risks and hyped it up anyway.

and no hacker delays a game for months, HL2 is f*cked that is the only thing that would delay it.

the only people realy pissed off are the banks who gave valve the $$$ to make hl2.

Valve isn't borrowing money from any banks to pay for the development so they can take as much damn time as they want

and saying HL2 is ****ed is just ignorant,, coding an engine isn't a weekend project,
now they have to redo the anti-cheat code and maybe a few other elements

they are probably just at a point where they said, "now that we've achieved the goals we set a year ago, there's still a ton of small issues we think could be improved, let's fix those",,, I think almost everyone who's worked on a gaming project has realised this when they get to the point they originally thought would be "done" they realise there's much to be added/improved

 

[Shinobi]

You're a retard, seriously. Your sig proves it too. 5 years developement time doesn't say anything about the stage the game is in. Some games have been in developement for 7 years. It's an ambitious project, not the 236th shooter EA pumps out this year. I'd rather have 10 years of developement than a crappy millionth MoH sequel.

And "Gabe" (there are more people working at Valve you know) didn't hype up the game, gamers did. It's your own dumbass fault if you get disappointed, games get delayed sometimes you know.

And banks didn't gave Valve money (since when do banks give away anything? They're loaning you money) they paid the game with the money they got (and still getting) from HL1, cs and DoD, with some sponsorships by Ati.

PS: get some money from the bank and take some typinglessons.

PS2: there is a button called SHIFT to make capital letters.

whoops I replied as soon as I ready dougy's post without bothering to read any replies,, :E

 

[phantomdesign]

I didn't piss Gabe off. I can tell you that much.

 

[Chris-008]

I didn't but i think a lot of people did.

 

[Naft]

It sucks about the hacker but I've seen it written that action wasn't the cause of the delay. Gabe and Valve should catch a whole boatload of crap because of the way the whole "release date" snaffu was handled. Either valve no longer keeps Gabe in the loop or he was misleading fans by saying it would be published sept 30 up to sept 30. I think he's not so much hurt or pissed as that he's finally learned the lesson keep your mouth shut until it's really ready.

first of all, gabe is valve.....he's the founder and managing director, it would be pretty hard for him to not be "in the loop".

your whole lesson about "keeping your mouth shut until it's really ready" is really quite closeminded. Do you realize that he kept hl2 silent for 4 entire years of development, and that valve never really hyped up hl2, they just showed it at e3 and responded to the community's proddings for more info.

and guess what? We the community begged and whined for a release date, and Gabe had little choice but to give an estimate, a hopeful projection. And it got delated, big whoopee. Most video games get delayed at some point in their development, the only ones that dont get "delayed" are the ones with no fanbase and that dont get any dedicated following pestering them for when it will be released. You and a lot of other people out there need to realize that games get delayed and just take it in stride. If you dont want to have to wait for a delayed game, you can either not play it ever(and therefore not have to wait) or not learn anything about it until it is released.

and no hacker delays a game for months, HL2 is f*cked that is the only thing that would delay it.

if valve truly had to modify the entire source engine to prevent any compatibility(be it playwise or hackabilitywise) between the hacked version and the real version, doing so would take a long-ass time. Not half a year, but at least a month or two.


honestly gabe and all of valve staff have plenty of reason to be mad at us, enough reason to stop development entirely just to give us our just desserts. But i really dont think the folks at Valve are those kinds of people. From what ive seen of the community responses from gabe, and yahn, and rick and all the other guys, they realize that the dumbass fanboys that hate them for not being 110% perfect arent the true community, and that this game is worth it for them, and for those of us who do care.

I really dont think they are pissed, but i think they have every right to be.

 

[Gossoon]

Who cares?

Bottom line: We have a pocket full of tasty Andy J's
They have paunchy, geeky bellies to fill

Betwixt the two, emotion shall never meet.

 

[Bova]

and guess what? We the community begged and whined for a release date, and Gabe had little choice but to give an estimate, a hopeful projection. And it got delated, big whoopee.

Ok this topic is a bit old but which release date were you talking about here? If it's the original September 30th date then what you said there is bullshit. We didn't beg and whine for that release date, that was the big date we were told, and iirc it started with PCGamer's article on HL2 back around when the game was first unveiled.

Don't believe it? Here's a (particularly ironic) excerpt from that article:

"When's it coming out? Sept 30th, 2003. That's not a misprint: In less than six months, before Doom III and long before Duke Nukem Forever ships, you'll be playing Half-Life 2. Or so we're told."
"We decided we'd do the whole 'when it's done' thing first', crows Newell, alluding to the stealth development of Half-Life 2. Unlike other big-name projects we could mention, Valve's philosophy has been to make the game first, with the job of publicizing it - a process that starts right here - a distant second."

So as you can see, you pulled that whole "begged and whined for a release date" stuff right out of your ass. Unless of course, you were talking about an entirely different release date.

 

[Zeus]

I don't care. I was also pretty mad when I waited so long for the 9/30 date that was PROMISED up until 5 days before the "release". I don't consider gabe as anything more than a developer for a video game. Some of you people act like if you are nice to gabe, he's going to give you HL2 early.

Like I said, I don't care if he's angry and I'm pretty sure he doesn't care that I'm angry about him lying about his release dates. He also promised videos which he did for a while then stopped delivering. We haven't heard ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about HL2 lately, and I am THIS ( [--] ) close to cancelling HL2 preorder and getting Far Cry.

If there is one thing I cannot stand when it comes to gaming is lying from the devs. Also, please, no one argue that they don't "have to" release HL2, if they don't, they can't afford to keep the company running, and will close down.

It's ridiculous that they are blaming this 1 year delay on some little kid who stole a few files. Please, if you think that little kid stealing some files really messed up HL2 so bad that it needed to be delayed for a year, you are wrong....very wrong. The game was simply not ready, some kid steals a file, big deal, now they have the perfect cover to delay the game.

In conclusion, no one cares if he's mad, I'm mad and I'm sure he doesn't give a rats'. He should keep working on half life 2 before he loses my money, and I'm sure many others too.

 

[Frosty]

I think the most pissed off, development veteran is George Broussard, who leads the Duke Nukem Forever team. Gabe has had to put up with "When will it be done?" for five months. Broussard has had to put up with "When will it be done?" for over five years.

 

[OCybrManO]

Zeus, they never said the theft was the cause of the delay... in fact, they denied that several times (at least one of those is somewhere in the Valve Info thread).

 

[Sulkdodds]

Whatever. I can wait for HL2. Even then, Valve has a right to be pissed - if not at the community, then for the little f*ck who stole the code (whether it affected the release date or not).

 

[Zeus]

Zeus, they never said the theft was the cause of the delay... in fact, they denied that several times (at least one of those is somewhere in the Valve Info thread).

That's not what I heard, but then again, I may have been misinformed.

 

[PvtRyan]

That's not what I heard, but then again, I may have been misinformed.

Several emails have been sent to Valve witht the question "would we have seen HL2 in 2003 without the theft?" and the answer was a clear no.

 

[azz0r]

Its not our fault there network security sucks. Its not our fault he doesnt care about the community enough to give us a rough estimate of release. Its not our fault he wont explain whats going on.

 

[perrkele]

They have said multiple times that the code theft had nothing to do with the delay. 'The game simply was not ready' was the message in several e-mails.

I am waiting for HL2 just as much as you are. In a way I can understand that some of you are pissed off at them for the delay and all, I mean I'd love to have my hands on HL2 right now, but still I think it's only for the better. The first HL was delayed for about a year, they scrapped and rebuilt much of it, because they felt it wasn't the game they wanted to release. I'm sure it's much the same with HL2 now, they want it to make the sort of impact the first HL made back then (if it's even possible...). If I have to, I'll more than gladly wait till autumn if that gets me another amazing experience like the first Half-Life.

 

[Edcrab]

Its not our fault there network security sucks. Its not our fault he doesnt care about the community enough to give us a rough estimate of release. Its not our fault he wont explain whats going on.

Obvious statement 1: Its the hackers fault they got hacked. I don't care if the guy did the digital equivalent of heaping all his wordly possessions in front of a ****ing carboard door- the hacker was the hacker. We shouldn't discriminate against the stupid when following through the law.

Obvious statement 2: Do you want another Sept 30 fiasco or would you rather they shut up and released the game? Double-bloody-standards... please one group and the other decides to bite your face off.
Explain what, precisely? The game was delayed because it wasn't finished. Anything he did say would make the community spasm all over again, and its not a pretty sight.

I was going to say "why would Gabe be pissed? What have we done?" but reading the above, I changed my mind. I'm not even Valve software and that attitude makes my head hurt.

 

[Someone]

If I were Gabe would I be pissed.....yes. So that's how I voted.

They tried to make a date and didn't and got nothing but crap for it....part of their property was stolen and they got a lot of opinions saying, "It's their own damn fault; why should we care?" etc.

They owe us zip....they make a product which we CHOOSE to buy or not. We can live with it, or without it...they don't owe us Half Life 2 or anything else. Instead of being thankful for them making a fun game, a lot of people are pissing an moaning about basically everything under the sun as if they have something invested in the company. We're talking about a computer game we are buying IF we want to.

So the game is delayed....who cares? It hasn't been released for 5 YEARS, for that matter we didn't even KNOW about the game for 4 years, so what are a few more months? Why get mad at them for it? It's childish and makes zero sense to me. It's like me being mad because Amazon.com didn't have a book I wanted (even though is said it was in stock)...I guess I should never buy from them again and complain?

If I were gabe I wouldn't say a single word from this point on because all he is going to get is, "Well they've been late before so they'll be late again." and "Why should we believe them, they've LIED to us before." and "If this game isn't out by THAT date, well I'm not going to every buy from Valve again!"

Why would anyone want to say anything knowing they are going to get that kind of crap?

 

[azz0r]

Obvious statement 1: Its the hackers fault they got hacked. I don't care if the guy did the digital equivalent of heaping all his wordly possessions in front of a ****ing carboard door- the hacker was the hacker. We shouldn't discriminate against the stupid when following through the law.

Obvious statement 2: Do you want another Sept 30 fiasco or would you rather they shut up and released the game? Double-bloody-standards... please one group and the other decides to bite your face off.
Explain what, precisely? The game was delayed because it wasn't finished. Anything he did say would make the community spasm all over again, and its not a pretty sight.

I was going to say "why would Gabe be pissed? What have we done?" but reading the above, I changed my mind. I'm not even Valve software and that attitude makes my head hurt.

Bla bla - the point of them getting hacked isnt our fault and thus isnt relavent to this topic essentially.

Number 2; he's treating us like crap, I dont want an exact date (btw its valves stupidy for setting a date that they cant keep not ours - so once again irrelavent to this debate). However we've heard rumours of feb, april, sept, oct - Why dont valve just do what bungie do; estimate a season. If Valve came out and said Fall 2004 Id be much happier.

I see no reason for Valve to be angry at us. We didnt hack there network, we didnt give a date then fail it, we didnt ignore them for a release date.

 

[Brian Damage]

Apparently they just said Summer 2004, azz0r, so thine wish is granted. Dunno how reliable the info is, though. Was given in an interview of Doug Lombardi by CNNMoney...

's in the HL2 forum...

 

[azz0r]

Apparently they just said Summer 2004, azz0r, so thine wish is granted. Dunno how reliable the info is, though. Was given in an interview of Doug Lombardi by CNNMoney...

's in the HL2 forum...

Thats what I like to hear ;D

 

[Sulkdodds]

Summer 2004? Well, we'll see about that....