Do you Belive in a God or Not?

[M1RAG3]

I try. But please do, elaborate.

 

[poseyjmac]

Heh, well, if he can somehow prove that he does, than I would. But right now, I don't think anyone anywhere knows.

What I beleive, is that either there is no supreme being, or that there is a supreme being, but it isn't one of the religions. Instead, it is just an observer, watching Earth and its inhabitants much like a reality T.V. show. It doesn't want to make itself known, and has no need to. Or the supreme being isn't around any more. Or anything. I don't know, and I don't think it is possible, or our purpose, to know.

So I'm going to live my life like that

in other words, no.

 

[M1RAG3]

Existentialism at its finest.

And for those that don't know:

ex·is·ten·tial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gz-stnsh-lzm, ks-)
n.
A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.

 

[Yuri]

Really anyone who hasn't taken at least an introductory course in philosophy at university shouldn't be allowed to awnser this poll.

anyway I voted yes, explaning why woiuld take too long and would go over most peoples head anyway

Heh, a little arrogant are we?

in other words, no.

Hah, pretty much mate.

 

[el Chi]

the types of people that are defined in websters dictionary are the ones i made this statement about. can't argue with webster, so you either meet the definition, or you don't. if you don't theres no reason to take offense... im quite aware of the gradient.

I beg to differ; I can and will argue with Webster's. Webster's is of little importance in this discussion; by using it to define sets of people you are boiling them down to the most base elements of their beliefs and debasing their convictions, however rigid and misplaced they may be.

Anyways, the discussion has moved on far since that bit and I've missed some of it. So forgive whilst I check it all out and try and catch up.

 

[Logic]

It's a shame that most debates in which people argue their beliefs get caught up in semantics. I don't think sticking by any dictionary definition is wise - different people may have subtly (or entirely) different intentions when using the same word, so I do think that generalised judgements of 'christians', 'atheists' or 'agnostics', or any other group, should be avoided. In a discussion like this, people who consider themselves a part of one of those groups should be afforded the chance to express what they believe, and why they think the label applies to them, before being judged as narrow minded.

On the other hand, I do think that the existance of labels to represent religious\spiritual beliefs does result in a lot of sheep, and a lot of people just accepting what others in the same group accept rather than reasoning things out for themselves. That is most definately closed-minded, and so is not being open to the possibility of being wrong, which is very common for many people who consider themselves a part of any group.

As for me, I leave labelling myself up to other people. If someone wants to call me an atheist, or an agnostic, so be it. I'll simply tell them my beliefs if they ask, and they can make up their own mind. I don't like placing myself neatly into a category, and giving people pre-concieved ideas about how I think.

 

[RMachucaA]

Of course there is a God, if you believe there isnt, its bordering on ignorant.... Although im not a hardcore christian or anything...

I can definitively say, there is a God.

 

[clarky003]

it's all open to personal opinion,

Truth of the matter is another thing, sitting on the fence is the sensible thing to do.

But a GOD in our image is obsurd, we are not the be all and end all of the Universe just because we have the most definative of all Ego's out of all creature's on this planet, or we think that we are more important for some reason,.

like Agent smith roughly said ...

all vagueries of perception of a human mind , struggling to justify an existance that you cant comprehend.

 

[bud7miker]

God = Fake hope.

The thought of god is a joke in my opinion.

 

[Acphonehome]

I'm a secular humanist.
Let me break that down for you.
Secular : not ahving to do with church/religion
Humanist: in interest of humans

well, its something like that

-Ac

 

[Logic]

Of course there is a God, if you believe there isnt, its bordering on ignorant.... Although im not a hardcore christian or anything...

I can definitively say, there is a God.

Could you explain your reasoning behind that conclusion? I'm not attacking your beliefs or anything, I just think that if you're going to tell us how obvious it is to you, you should at least tell us why. Also, do you believe in a personified God, or something more general, or different?

God = Fake hope.

The thought of god is a joke in my opinion.

I'll put the same sort of question to you.. what makes the idea of God so obviously false to you? (and with that in mind, how do you think the universe came to be? )

 

[Yakuza]

I went to CCD(You go and learn about god) from kinagarden to sixth grade. I stopped in 7th(i really wanted to).
I learned a lot about god but ya wanna know something.. all that did was
MAKE ME AN ATHIEST.
I don't believe in any god or any form of god(s). Just no proof behind it thats all. No offense to any christians but my opinon is that the bible was written by a few drunk guys.

Also religion starts to many wars.
Look at world war 2.
(I do believe in "Aliens" im not saying there intelligent but im saying that the possibilites of there not being another lifeform in the universe considering a galaxy has around 100 trillion stars, 900 trillion planets, there are an astrionmical amount of galaxies meaning..i think u get it..)
So yeah i think that we arnt the only species out there, they coudl be dumb or smart they could be microorganisms for all i care i do believe there are some.

(My Opinons here)
Also the universe is always expanding but never ending... well for all we know there are multiple universes then multiple of whatever contains them etc.. The reason why we cannot see into these other universes is probably because well.. we dont have the technology and if we did the light probably hasnt reached here yet.

But everything is either expanding or move away from eachother considering everything in the universe has a red shift(i think its a red shift) which means there moving away while i believe a blue shift means there coming close togeather.

LOL, you make a claim that there is no evidence to support a God, yet make a claim without any evidence that the guys who wrote it were drunk.

Do you know all proof? no? then how can you say there is no proof.

religions start wars.....well it was also those who believed in God that helped put an end to an evil man.

Believe what you want, though i am just letting you know that you have no logical standing.

 

[Yakuza]

It's a shame that most debates in which people argue their beliefs get caught up in semantics. I don't think sticking by any dictionary definition is wise - different people may have subtly (or entirely) different intentions when using the same word, so I do think that generalised judgements of 'christians', 'atheists' or 'agnostics', or any other group, should be avoided. In a discussion like this, people who consider themselves a part of one of those groups should be afforded the chance to express what they believe, and why they think the label applies to them, before being judged as narrow minded.

On the other hand, I do think that the existance of labels to represent religious\spiritual beliefs does result in a lot of sheep, and a lot of people just accepting what others in the same group accept rather than reasoning things out for themselves. That is most definately closed-minded, and so is not being open to the possibility of being wrong, which is very common for many people who consider themselves a part of any group.

As for me, I leave labelling myself up to other people. If someone wants to call me an atheist, or an agnostic, so be it. I'll simply tell them my beliefs if they ask, and they can make up their own mind. I don't like placing myself neatly into a category, and giving people pre-concieved ideas about how I think.

well said.

 

[poseyjmac]

Existentialism at its finest.

And for those that don't know:

who is this directed to? put a quote if you want to talk to someone. just in case it was directed at me, no i think its possible for human existence to be explained.

 

[poseyjmac]

I beg to differ; I can and will argue with Webster's. Webster's is of little importance in this discussion; by using it to define sets of people you are boiling them down to the most base elements of their beliefs and debasing their convictions, however rigid and misplaced they may be.

Anyways, the discussion has moved on far since that bit and I've missed some of it. So forgive whilst I check it all out and try and catch up.

you dont understand. im not defining people in this thread as meeting those definitions. im saying if you meet those definitions, then that statement is true of you. you can't argue the definitions in websters dictionary. they are there. they exist. i could make a fake dictionary of my own with fake definitions. and you couldn't argue those either, because according to that dictionary those definitiosn are correct. see?again, if you don't meet these definitions, why the need to challenge them?

 

[Cole]

LOL, you make a claim that there is no evidence to support a God, yet make a claim without any evidence that the guys who wrote it were drunk.

Do you know all proof? no? then how can you say there is no proof.

religions start wars.....well it was also those who believed in God that helped put an end to an evil man.

Believe what you want, though i am just letting you know that you have no logical standing.

Look, in my opinon it could of. Hell for all we know a cat might of got some paint on hits paw and walked on some pages then someguy found it.
I ment to say is " For all we know "

And just so you know, around 12 million jews did during WW2, and milllions of people died in the war.
"Evil" is an opinon. Hitler was doing what he seen as "good". It's evil to us but thats an opinon. To Hitler us trying to stop him made us the bad guys.
Maybe you dont relize that but thats true. Personally i do hate hitler for what he did but he wasnt good, bad, evil, right. Those are opinons. Opinons arn't bad but there just saying what you think. And i told my opinons im not saying there right im just saying there mine.

Also, according what u said..

those who believed in God

Now according to you, every person who fiought in ww2 beleived in god. Well.. lol... need i say more?

So yes, i do have a logic standing. More than you.
Plus anyway even if god was real i would never kneel down to somebody. Even if he did create us. I would never ever bow or kneel down to anyone.
Christians treat god like a king. When i see no reason to do that.
I see no reason to pray.
God(s) were invented to explain what we coudl not explain.
Well you wanna know something, THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. Because we know have relized that we will eventually figure it out and that its not all based off of some magical MYTHOLOGICAL thing.

Im just saying that, for all we know:
-The bible could of been written by drunk guys
-Jesus could of been a dude from a far away land that specialised in medicine.
-Jesus could of been someone who was planning to murder someone, and then we nailed him on the cross because of that.


I gave my opinons if you dont like them well stfu cuz there mine, if you think the best color in the world is red im not gonna get all pist off.

I have perfect logic, your mind is just clouded.(Once again my opinon.)

 

[dream431ca]

Do some of you people really think that religion started by itself without any influence by humans what so ever?? Some of you people sound like that you believe that religion is not a man made subject. That comes to the question...does god exist?? Think about this for a moment...science is for PHYSICAL things, not human beliefs..therefore..science will not prove of god's existance. Furthermore...ALL religons were formed by some group of humans (including christanity). Jesus did not make christanity and neither did god. It was the humans..so therefore we humans created god and not the other way around. Also...some people question the concept of faith..and some don't believe in it..Let me tell you something...remember HL2 and all the things it went through?? like the source code being stolen and the delays..you guys all had FAITH that HL2 would come out sometime or another..so therefore faith does exist. SO the existance of a god or anything else you believe in IS true because we humans created it. I know this sounds weird but at the same time it makes some sense.

 

[Phraxtion]

Do some of you people really think that religion started by itself without any influence by humans what so ever?? Some of you people sound like that you believe that religion is not a man made subject. That comes to the question...does god exist?? Think about this for a moment...science is for PHYSICAL things, not human beliefs..therefore..science will not prove of god's existance. Furthermore...ALL religons were formed by some group of humans (including christanity). Jesus did not make christanity and neither did god. It was the humans..so therefore we humans created god and not the other way around. Also...some people question the concept of faith..and some don't believe in it..Let me tell you something...remember HL2 and all the things it went through?? like the source code being stolen and the delays..you guys all had FAITH that HL2 would come out sometime or another..so therefore faith does exist. SO the existance of a god or anything else you believe in IS true because we humans created it. I know this sounds weird but at the same time it makes some sense.

Actually if you do some research youll see science is finding more proof of a theistic God all the time.

 

[Logic]

Actually if you do some research youll see science is finding more proof of a theistic God all the time.

That would be evidence, not proof. There's a very important distinction there.

 

[johnnypoopoopant]

i believe in God

 

[johnnypoopoopant]

wow lookin at the poll it proved me wrong about alot of ppl beliving in God

 

[Deadline]

Yea im supprised by how many people dont believe in "god". Whatever one you choose.

 

[Phraxtion]

That would be evidence, not proof. There's a very important distinction there.

I stand corrected

From what ive found theres more evidence to support a theistic God than anything else.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Sorry, but all I hear is -

"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

 

[Phraxtion]

Heres an interesting read http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9403/evidence.html

 

[bgesley426]

Um people? God is about FAITH, not EVIDENCE.

btw I voted no.

 

[Deadline]

Um people? God is about FAITH, not EVIDENCE.

btw I voted no.

Everything not able to be scientifically proven, Evolution even, is based on faith.

Believing that we came from one celled creatures takes WAY more faith to believe then that there is a Eternal Creator who made us.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

There is a post here ;D. lmao

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29990&highlight=Paradise

hehe, that was a good time.

Anyway, yes, I believe in god.

 

[rkef]

Everything not able to be scientifically proven, Evolution even, is based on faith.

Believing that we came from one celled creatures takes WAY more faith to believe then that there is a Eternal Creator who made us.

Do you know what a "gamete" is? I bet reproduction, for example, seems like a "miracle" to you. It may be a "miracle" in the sense of being a "freaking amazing process", but guess what? You yourself have your origins in one-celled "creatures". Show some respect!

There is good evidence for evolution; far better than there is evidence of a male God, who created everything but himself and who has "just chilled" since (apologies to Sacha Baron Cohen).

Come up with a more accurate process to explain our origins, or show us why evolution is absurd.

 

[Deadline]

Do you know what a "gamete" is? I bet reproduction, for example, seems like a "miracle" to you. It may be a "miracle" in the sense of being a "freaking amazing process", but guess what? You yourself have your origins in one-celled "creatures". Show some respect!

There is good evidence for evolution; far better than there is evidence of a male God, who created everything but himself and who has "just chilled" since (apologies to Sacha Baron Cohen).

Come up with a more accurate process to explain our origins, or show us why evolution is absurd.

The chances of evolution being true are equal to the chances of a lightning bolt hitting a junkyard and a 747 rolling out.

But how did the one-celled creatures come about!? answer me that.

 

[Phraxtion]

Um people? God is about FAITH, not EVIDENCE.

btw I voted no.

No one said God was about evidence. Im just saying that theres evidence to support his existence.

 

[qckbeam]

But how did the one-celled creatures come about!? answer me that.

A magic man with a white beard who lives on a cloud made them of course. Common sense.

 

[Ikerous]

A magic man with a white beard who lives on a cloud made them of course.

I did no such thing.

 

[Phraxtion]

Do you know what a "gamete" is? I bet reproduction, for example, seems like a "miracle" to you. It may be a "miracle" in the sense of being a "freaking amazing process", but guess what? You yourself have your origins in one-celled "creatures". Show some respect!

There is good evidence for evolution; far better than there is evidence of a male God, who created everything but himself and who has "just chilled" since (apologies to Sacha Baron Cohen).

Come up with a more accurate process to explain our origins, or show us why evolution is absurd.[/QUOTE

http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-evolution.html

 

[bgesley426]

No one said God was about evidence. Im just saying that theres evidence to support his existence.

I'm aware. I'm saying you don't need evidence to support his/her existence. 3,000+ years of multicultural belief in a higher, intangible being is already more than enough.

But how did the one-celled creatures come about!? answer me that.

I DESPISE these kinds of questions. Fine. Who created god? Who created the person who created god? WHo the ...etc etc wtfomglol.

 

[Deadline]

And did you know that Darwin himself denounced his evolution theory as being rediculous.

Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing, that is true?

 

[Phraxtion]

I'm aware. I'm saying you don't need evidence to support his/her existence. 3,000+ years of multicultural belief in a higher, intangible being is already more than enough.

Not for alot of the people posting in this thread.

 

[bgesley426]

Not for alot of the people posting in this thread.

Which is sad. Its easier for people to believe in a truth instead to have faith in god. Because having hardcore evidence of the existence of god means that you won't need faith. Makes your life easier and more substantiated.

Example. Which is easier for you?

Knowing HL2 is coming out on a specific date?
or
Having faith that HL2 will be coming out on a specific date?

Probably the first one right?

edit: omg I just compared god to HL2.

 

[Phraxtion]

I cant properly anwser questions such as "Where did God come from", all I can do is tell you to read what is said in the bible. From what know in the bible God tells us he is the begining and the end, that there is no before or after where he is( please dont take this out of context). Space/time etc. only exists here with us now. You can find these things in the bible, whether you beliveve them or not is a different story.

So far though after all the evidence from both sides, God is sill the logical anwser to me. People may laugh and call me ignorant but nothing has come close to showing me that God does not exist.

 

[Warbie]

Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing, that is true?

The most respected scientists in this world accept the theory of evolution as fact, and the evidence supporting it as overwhelming. I believe them.

Of course, i'm no expert - and understand little of genetics, geology etc etc However, what i've learnt in school/university over the years leaves me with little doubt that the theory is sound (and have yet to see any evidence against the theory of evolution that would stand up to investigation)

Go to a library, search online, or even look out the window, the evidence is there.

Some interesting links: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-mustread.html