Do you Belive in a God or Not?

[evil^milk]

have some of you ever heard about faith?

 

[Ikerous]

No your like the media, you say things but not the whole things.
I GAVE PERFECTLY LOGICAL PROBABLITY!
Your saying that you believe that no planet has ever had any type of life even if it was a microorganism or anything.
Thats what your saying, the probablity for that is insanely low.

There are to many planets to comprehend.
There has been mathimatically equastions to help give us an idea on how many lifeforms there are based on how many planets you think there is.

Now if the universe is always growing then most likly new planets etc are always coming about.
Then there are probably around a Centillion (Going europe version with 600 0's) or more.
Now your saying out of all those not 1 planet besides earth has ever sastaind any form of life.

Actually if you believe that it is impossible for life to come from non-living matter (I.e the first bacteria coming from a rock) then its impossible for there to be life on any planet that didnt have life put there by another being. (Even with all our intelligence, life has never been made from non-living matter, we cant even think of how we would go about it, therefore it just randomly happening in nature seems fairly unlikely)

 

[qckbeam]

I used to believe in god, when I was a young boy. I don't anymore; at least I don't in the traditional sense. Religion doesn't matter to me like it used to. It's an obsession with an after-life that may or may not exist, and does more harm than good. Why waste this life worrying about the next? Just live the one you've got and to hell with the rest of this junk. I admit, questioning the existence of god when I was young, and thinking about how there might not be a great and glorious reunion with everyone you love after death, was a pretty frightening thought. Over time I realized it's not a question anyone is going to answer anytime soon, so we might as well stop asking and get on with life. I only have my gut feelings and personal experiences to give me any direction on the issue, everything else can be thrown out.

 

[ship]

Dosent atheism mean that you neither belive nor deny the existance?

That would be called agnostic, my friend.

 

[Bad^Hat]

I don't believe either way because I don't see any reason to blindly put my faith in something so vague and accept it as the truth. But I'm open minded enough to fear hell

 

[Sui]

calm down mate, Red Dwarf is a comedy
I'm on your side on this one :thumbs:

and a very funny one at that

/me shakes fist at BBC

bring out the series V DVD aLLREADY!

 

[KagePrototype]

Where's the "agnostic" option?

 

[PXM5000]

In The Usual Suspects movie it says "I don't believe in god, but i fear him"

 

[Icarus]

"The question "Do you believe in God?" has a peculiar structure.
If I say no, do I mean I'm convinced God doesn't exist,
or do I mean I'm not convinced he does exist?
Those are two very different questions." - Carl Sagan

 

[ship]

Icarus, the paradox you bring up is the one of being agnostic.

If we can disprove the existence of God you can say, "Yeah, didn't think so. I told you guys."

But then again, if God turns out to exist, s'all good and cool, because it's all like, "Phew! You had me worried there for a second. Never counted you out, though."




And, also, what type of God are we talking about? For God can be a suppernatural being who created the universe, but who no longer exists. You have to really exact and define all the variables before you ask these types of questions.

 

[Icarus]

Hmm, forgot a few bits in the post...Fixed now

I only threw that out there becuase of how the poll was worded. I'm not saying thats what I believe.

I prefer to keep my opinions/beliefs to myself reguarding subjects like this.

Another Carl Sagan quote;

"Anything you don't understand, Mr. Rankin, you attribute to God.
God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." - Carl Sagan

 

[M1RAG3]

I am atheist in beliefs, but I beleive there is a sort of collective conciousness between us all. But that is me... I can go into a lot more depth...

 

[el Chi]

atheism myself
I've always seen agnostics as fence sitters, such indecision

Well don't worry; when Judgement Day comes, we'll go to Hell more than atheists - at least atheists have strength in their convictions...


Personally I swing between agnostic and atheist - I see it as falling off the fence and climbing back up.

 

[Neutrino]

Personally I swing between agnostic and atheist - I see it as falling off the fence and climbing back up.

You get more excercise that way.

 

[Sparta]

I believe in god, but not any man-made god. Something had to have created all this. Everything just seems a little bit too orderly to have just happened

 

[NeLi]

Kung Fu is my religion.

 

[M1RAG3]

I believe in god, but not any man-made god. Something had to have created all this. Everything just seems a little bit too orderly to have just happened

Order is chaotic, chaos is orderly. Porbability. Chance. And if you believe in a multiuniversal idea, then there have been and are an infinite number of universes, each spawned by a quantum event. And it is highly possible that we are one lucky universe that followed down a line a chaotic happenings resulting in the birth of life and ultimately humanity and all we see as well as your perceived reality.

That brings me to another point, I have recently been thinking as to whether or not our perception of "reality" can infact alter spac/time, very minute changes, but changes non the less due to our idea of conciousness and how those thoughts we create are then stored/transformed within our brain and it's chemical reactions and our own interaction with matter and the very fabric of being.

 

[Spiffe]

There is no god..... Think about it man. a "god" it's ancient ffs! =p Atheist is that you don't believe in any form of god. Other lifeforms, yeah maybe. It would be a waste of space if ther wasnt. But no way there is a god.

 

[ship]

Hmm, forgot a few bits in the post...Fixed now

Another Carl Sagan quote;

"Anything you don't understand, Mr. Rankin, you attribute to God.
God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." - Carl Sagan

Oh, oh, oh! I love Carl Sagan.

For fun, I'm recommending a book to you.

Notes to Myself

 

[Sparta]

Order is chaotic, chaos is orderly. Porbability. Chance.

There, right there.
Duality.

Perfect.
A preconcieved notion of existance. Where there is one, there's the other. A perfect balance. Good and Evil, Light and Dark, Ying and Yang. That just proves to me that something must've created us

 

[M1RAG3]

Chaos can not be created, it is entropy, the natural progression of the universe, and things tend to go towards disorder. That is the first rule of thermodynamics, and has yet to be observed otherwise, UNLESS energy is put back into the system, thus resulting in order. The birth of our universe provided the energy to create life from chaos, and thus the dark energy that accounts for more then a quarter of our universe keeps that order in check, hence the idea of a collective consciousness, life's collective consciousness is dark energy, present but unobservable.

 

[PXM5000]

Ok,this has got too complicated for me!!!!!!

 

[h00dlum]

I think i belive in some form of higher being but its not Jahve, Allah, Vishnu, Cali or any man made fictional charcter..

btw PXM5000 Salam halet chobe? Man suedi

 

[PXM5000]

We have a brother here!
(halet khobe, na chobe )

 

[M1RAG3]

And thus does that not mean that our reality, our perception, is in fact completely individual and is created by our consciousness, our awareness of being.

That brings me to another point, prove to me what the color green really is, what color it realy is. For my perception of your green may be your red, and yet your red may be my green. Thus our existence is relative to our very thoughts, and thus the existance of God is nothing more then Man's attempt to tangibly translate the emotion known as hope. God has been created to combat our own loneliness deep down inside us all. We are God.

 

[poseyjmac]

atheists, agnostics, and christians all have one major thing in common though. they are all, by definition, closeminded and set in their ways.

atheists close off a realm of possibility by saying they don't believe there is a higher being. agnostics simply don't care enough either way closing off a realm of possbility, and christians trust that god is real AND that he is not lying to them. because hey if god's as powerful and capable as the bible says, he could say one thing and do another and no human could prove otherwise.

i just think its depressing for these people to turn off their brain and think that there is not more truth out there to be found about the world.

 

[M1RAG3]

Then, hypothetically speaking that "God" exists (any supreme being/deity, including but not limited to the Christian God).

What if "God" choose to not exist?

 

[JunkieXL]

That brings me to another point, prove to me what the color green really is, what color it realy is. For my perception of your green may be your red, and yet your red may be my green. Thus our existence is relative to our very thoughts, and thus the existance of God is nothing more then Man's attempt to tangibly translate the emotion known as hope. God has been created to combat our own loneliness deep down inside us all. We are God.

Well said. God is just a gigantic man-made shoulder to cry on.

 

[NeLi]

Bottom line is: No one ****ing knows.

 

[M1RAG3]

Bottom line is: No one ****ing knows.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss other's viewpoints.

In fact disscussions like these allow us to probe and debate our thoughts on life and existence. This is what makes life worth living. Awareness of self.

 

[NeLi]

Debating other peoples opinions concerning something no one knows anything about?

YAY

 

[AgentXen]

I believe in god, but not any man-made god. Something had to have created all this. Everything just seems a little bit too orderly to have just happened

Forgot to mention this.
If you think we were created by a super intellegent race in a far away "solar" system as a mere experiment for their studies. Please select "No".

 

[CrazyHarij]

I am in a state where I can find out. I'll get back to you when I know for sure.

 

[JunkieXL]

CrazyHarij, do you mean Astral Projection?

 

[lePobz]

My God is my concience, and my trust in that whatever evils mankind does, the good of mankind will prevail.

 

[NeLi]

My God is my concience, and my trust in that whatever evils mankind does, the good of mankind will prevail.

Haven't really worked so far.

 

[Logic]

Interesting thread! Personally, I believe in god the cause, not God the person... meaning something caused the existance of the universe, and whatever that is\was, that's what I call God. The God of Christianity, who judges, suffers from mood swings (the great flood), talks to people occasionally (numerous biblical accounts), is nothing more than a figure of mythology. Man created God in his image, not the other way around.

Time is a dimension or constant of the physical universe, so in order for God to have created the universe, he must exist outside of time. Traits of human personality (such as judging) are a result of our existance within time. In fact, everything about us is. So not only would God have no use for these traits, but since he exists outside of time, he CAN'T have them. So God the person is a logical impossibility (which means referring to him as "him" is just as rediculous).

Does anyone else believe in determinism? I've come to think of the universe, and all time (basically "space-time") to be a single, extremely complex four dimensional shape (the fourth dimension being time). Of course, more dimensions may possibly exist, but if that's the case, just change 'four' to whatever the number is. Our perception of time and our inability to predict the future doesn't make it any less likely that all time has been pre-determined and is unchanging. I have a lot of reasons for thinking this, but I won't get into it further unless someone wants to discuss it

 

[JunkieXL]

Inability to predict the future? wrong you are.

 

[dart321]

Man created God in his image, not the other way around.

That could be one kickass quote.

 

[Logic]

Inability to predict the future? wrong you are.

We can predict the future as best we can, sure, but we can't know our prediction to be true until the time of the event in question. Besides, if the future can be predicted, that certainly doesn't oppose the idea of determinism. If anything it supports it.