Do you Belive in a God or Not?

[poseyjmac]

Guys, guys. Let's stop bickering, all is forgiven. I really don't care what people say, as long as they don't ridicule or belittle another's beliefs. So let's just pretend this whole thing never happened, and return to the topic and continue discussing it, for I happen to be very intrigued by such discussions.

Bascially, we all have our opinions, and each is ture to oneself, unless they are founded upon hate or discrimination.

"Can't we all just get along?" :E

if we all have opinions and they are all true to oneself, whats the point of having a thread like this? thats closemindeness it all its glory right there.

 

[Neutrino]

broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

not committed, which is lazy, and inherently closeminded.

What are you talking about? Now you're saying that if you don't commit yourself to a single belief than your lazy and closeminded? Now you're not even making any sense.

no, thats not what i said. try again, but this time ask the question and wait for an answer instead of making an assumption.

Ok, I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were trying to say. So I just quoted everything that was said. Please explain, if you don't mind, how I misunderstood you.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

I believe in God. But not Allah, GOD, or Indian gods or buddha w/e

I am agnostic.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

you aren't the first one to call me arrogant. you also aren't the first one to have no argument to back that statement up.

If you wish to be like that, then so be it. I'm sure you have the intelligence to not need me to explain all the details to you....In the end its your problem, and not mine if people feel you are like that.

 

[M1RAG3]

if we all have opinions and they are all true to oneself, whats the point of having a thread like this? thats closemindeness it all its glory right there.

Whoa whoa. I said all of one's internal convictions are true to one's self. That doesn't mean that they can not be changed or discussed. Poseyjmac this arguing back and forth is not benefiting anyone, not you nor I nor anyone else.

And if anyone else feels I have been closed mind, say so and I will publicly apologize.

 

[Cybernoid]

I believe in God. But not Allah, GOD, or Indian gods or buddha w/e

I am agnostic.

Buddha wasn't a god, he was an ordinary man. To nitpick, 'buddha' refers to someone who has reached enlightenment.

 

[poseyjmac]

first, what do you define 'single belief' as in that third quote? you pulled this term out of the air, and im curious what you mean by it.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Please delete.

 

[poseyjmac]

If you wish to be like that, then so be it. I'm sure you have the intelligence to not need me to explain all the details to you....In the end its your problem, and not mine if people feel you are like that.

im not arrogant, as no one has proved me to be. if you want to step up, be my guest

 

[KidRock]

Religion these days is just a way to make money.

 

[M1RAG3]

However Buddha become a "god" after his trials. (Or deity, higher/supreme being, basically he fits the definition of what is a "god".)

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Buddha wasn't a god, he was an ordinary man. To nitpick, 'buddha' refers to someone who has reached enlightenment.

Actually they consider him God in a way.

im not arrogant, as no one has proved me to be. if you want to step up, be my guest

Are you messing with Farrow?

I can ruin your day just ask.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

im not arrogant, as no one has proved me to be. if you want to step up, be my guest

Obviously you misunderstood then. I did not say you were arrogant, I said you gave me that impression. Regardless of whether you are or not, you appear to be that way. Having the attitude you have does nothing for you.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Obviously you misunderstood then. I did not say you were arrogant, I said you gave me that impression. Regardless of whether you are or not, you appear to be that way. Having the attitude you have does nothing for you.

Oh man Farrow I been reading through some of the members posting and Your board is too easy to manipulate and make them feel inadequate. So after I look through one more thread I am gone.

I guess curiosity got the best of me to check here

 

[Cybernoid]

However Buddha become a "god" after his trials. (Or deity, higher/supreme being, basically he fits the definition of what is a "god".)

Simply: no. Buddha was not a god at any stage. The premise of buddhism is that anyone can become a buddha.

 

[Yuri]

Where is the "Humankind presently does not have the knowledge required to know" option?

Agnostic, sir.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Where is the "Humankind presently does not have the knowledge required to know" option?

Agnostic, sir.

I think the word faith is quite fitting here.

 

[poseyjmac]

Obviously you misunderstood then. I did not say you were arrogant, I said you gave me that impression. Regardless of whether you are or not, you appear to be that way. Having the attitude you have does nothing for you.

i didnt' say you said i was arrogant.

really though, this is the equivalent of saying 'you are a dummy!'. if you want to prove why you think i 'appear' arrogant, then by all means do it, otherwise this does nothing for you.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Well I won't argue about a religion I barely no. And I am to lazy to Google it up. So whatever you say Cybernoid.

 

[mchammer75040]

Simply: no. Buddha was not a god at any stage. The premise of buddhism is that anyone can become a buddha.

Yea that seems to be the traditional teaching. One thing I dont get though..is why in mainstream buddhism they worship him as a diety. Ive seen a few shows talking about in china people will go and pray to the altars of buddha for something then boom it happens a week later or whatever. Why do they do this? Is it just a watered down form of buddhism for the mainstream?

 

[Neutrino]

first, what do you define 'single belief' as in that third quote? you pulled this term out of the air, and im curious what you mean by it.

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. And actually I pulled the term from my mind where most of the things I write come from.

By "single belief" I just meant "one belief" as in either the belief that god exists or the belief that god does not exist. But if it bothers you take out "single" and just say "not commited to a belief".

 

[poseyjmac]

Where is the "Humankind presently does not have the knowledge required to know" option?

Agnostic, sir.

thats a pretty general statement there. what if an old wise man living in the mountains DOES have the knowledge required to know?

 

[Cybernoid]

Yea that seems to be the traditional teaching. One thing I dont get though..is why in mainstream buddhism they worship him as a diety. Ive seen a few shows talking about in china people will go and pray to the altars of buddha for something then boom it happens a week later or whatever. Why do they do this? Is it just a watered down form of buddhism for the mainstream?

There are different schools of buddhism... but personally, I think that worshipping an icon of buddha is seriously misguided.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

i didnt' say you said i was arrogant.

really though, this is the equivalent of saying 'you are a dummy!'. if you want to prove why you think i 'appear' arrogant, then by all means do it, otherwise this does nothing for you.

The point is not sinking in really...I see no need for me to "explain" myself when all I am doing is trying to tell you that you apparent attitude is not helping. I'm not trying to belittle or insult you, I simply thought it would help this quaint little debate if you were more friendly towards people. You may think that "dressing" up your posts is pointless, but its just common curtosy to show a little...common curtosy


I don't particually feel like getting into an argument now, as I'm in too good a mood. So this will be my last post on the matter.

 

[poseyjmac]

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. And actually I pulled the term from my mind where most of the things I write come from.

By "single belief" I just meant "one belief" as in either the belief that god exists or the belief that god does not exist. But if it bothers you take out "single" and just say "not commited to a belief".

you are only talking about one god though.

a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

for all we know there could be many gods, thats why it doesn't boil down to a single belief.

 

[Dante88]

I think that as long as you believe in something its all good.

 

[poseyjmac]

The point is not sinking in really...I see no need for me to "explain" myself when all I am doing is trying to tell you that you apparent attitude is not helping. I'm not trying to belittle or insult you, I simply thought it would help this quaint little debate if you were more friendly towards people. You may think that "dressing" up your posts is pointless, but its just common curtosy to show a little...common curtosy

im being as friendly as possible while still mantaining the confidence i have in my initial statement. there is NO DOUBT that it offended some people, but that doesn't make me an arrogant person because some people are offended.

no matter how i presented my initial statement, people would be offended, because sometimes the truth hurts.

I don't particually feel like getting into an argument now, as I'm in too good a mood. So this will be my last post on the matter.

thats all you had to say in the beginning.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

I'm not trying to belittle or insult you

I wish I can. (I have one more warning till I am banned).

 

[Cybernoid]

I wish I can. (I have one more warning till I am banned).

Hey, I've been given a warning too, by a mod. I asked the sender of the warning: why? Can you explain?

He didn't reply. So much for "warnings."

 

[Shadowlands5325]

The thing is they know me in a way that you don't. Halflifesource.com moderator and other stuff. In 3 single posts I brought a lot of attention to myself and pissed of a lot of people I didn't see you there people sure didn't enjoy my arrogant and high ego attitude. So I will chill down a little before I comment on your absent minded posters on this thread. Man you guys are too easy. Like taking lollypop for a baby.

 

[M1RAG3]

Guys, seriously, everyone stop bashing each other, we have fulfilled our own predictions that this thread would become nothing more than a "Religion-Bash-Fest-04".

 

[mchammer75040]

Like taking lollypop for a baby.

why would you take a lollypop for a baby?



jk.....

 

[Shadowlands5325]

why would you take a lollypop for a baby?



jk.....

Because I am just that damn evil. :flame:

 

[Neutrino]

you are only talking about one god though.



for all we know there could be many gods, thats why it doesn't boil down to a single belief.

Sorry, but it seems your just avoiding my question of how I misunderstood you. Saying "single belief" doesn't mean I'm referring to only one god. I was only referring to any one "single" belief whether that belief is that there is one god, two gods, or no gods. Saying the definition does not have the plural form of god is truly just nitpicking.

im not arrogant, as no one has proved me to be. if you want to step up, be my guest….. if you want to prove why you think i 'appear' arrogant, then by all means do it

If you would really like me too, I will. :cheers:

 

[poseyjmac]

Sorry, but it seems your just avoiding my question of how I misunderstood you. Saying "single belief" doesn't mean I'm referring to only one god. I was only referring to any one "single" belief whether that belief is that there is one god, two gods, or no gods. Saying the definition does not have the plural form of god is truly just nitpicking.

no its just called being clear.

If you would really like me too, I will. :cheers:

be my guest

 

[Yuri]

thats a pretty general statement there. what if an old wise man living in the mountains DOES have the knowledge required to know?

Well, I don't beleive he does. That is why I'm agnostic.

I can't know for a fact that any of the "prophets" of any religion were truthful, if they even existed.

So I'm agnostic until proven otherwise.

 

[poseyjmac]

Well, I don't beleive he does. That is why I'm agnostic.

I can't know for a fact that any of the "prophets" of any religion were truthful, if they even existed.

So I'm agnostic until proven otherwise.

do you believe its possible that he does? just curious

 

[Yuri]

do you believe its possible that he does? just curious

Heh, well, if he can somehow prove that he does, than I would. But right now, I don't think anyone anywhere knows.

What I beleive, is that either there is no supreme being, or that there is a supreme being, but it isn't one of the religions. Instead, it is just an observer, watching Earth and its inhabitants much like a reality T.V. show. It doesn't want to make itself known, and has no need to. Or the supreme being isn't around any more. Or anything. I don't know, and I don't think it is possible, or our purpose, to know.

So I'm going to live my life like that

 

[Incitatus]

Really anyone who hasn't taken at least an introductory course in philosophy at university shouldn't be allowed to awnser this poll.

anyway I voted yes, explaning why woiuld take too long and would go over most peoples head anyway

 

[Neutrino]

anyway I voted yes, explaning why woiuld take too long and would go over most peoples head anyway

Wow, thanks for the vote of confidence.

Go ahead and explain. We'll try to use our small brains to sift through the big, complicated words somehow.

Seriously though, there are plenty of intelligent, well educated people here. Don't assume you know so much more than anyone else here.