Do you think that the US should change the constitution to ban firearms?

[The Monkey]

Police, hunters, and people that is using the gun for a sport is not included.

Do you?

 

[KoreBolteR]

jus incase people try to break in their houses, for protection.
and for the cops

 

[el Chi]

jus incase people try to break in their houses, for protection.
and for the cops

As I understand it, there's very little evidence that guns are a proper deterrent. You simply break into someone's house also armed, I suppose.
The simple fact is that you can't ban guns in the US. It would never work because any drastic moves to do would cause the South to rise again...
Or something

 

[Kangy]

As Chi said, they're a crappy deterrant and a lot of people get shot with their own guns. It's far too deeply ingrained in society, though. If hicks can't come out and shoot road signs, what else will they do?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Prohibition just causes a black market. Some other gun control is needed, but not an outright ban.

My idea: everyone gets two bullets. No more, no less.

 

[Steve]

As the only person from the US to vote in this poll so far, I claim absolute correctitude.

 

[Ennui]

As the only person from the US to vote in this poll so far, I claim absolute correctitude.

Not anymore! North Carolina is a bit above Louisiana, though, so you're free to call me a Yank

I think they should be banned, and I'm from the South... which means my opinion is not too popular where I live.

Honestly, I think that if a criminal has a gun and breaks into the house, you shouldn't draw a gun on him, because that will just make him want to shoot you before you shoot him. If someone pointed a gun at me and asked for all my money, I'd give him my wallet and put my hands up.

 

[Steve]

Not anymore! North Carolina is a bit above Louisiana, though, so you're free to call me a Yank

I think they should be banned, and I'm from the South... which means my opinion is not too popular where I live.

Honestly, I think that if a criminal has a gun and breaks into the house, you shouldn't draw a gun on him, because that will just make him want to shoot you before you shoot him. If someone pointed a gun at me and asked for all my money, I'd give him my wallet and put my hands up.

Yeah, dude! What kind of North Carolinian are you? Traitor.

 

[Recoil]

Uhm... I don't know that much about the real situation there (for I don't really trust sources like Bowling for Columbine) - but as far as I can say, all the killing hasn't got to do with the laws but with society itself.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people has a somewhat great relevance to me.

Look at Switzerland for example, the soldiers may keep their fully automatic assault rifles after serving - but the crime rate there is extremely low. I don't want to discuss the social properties of countries here; just an impression and my opinion

(I voted neutral)

 

[Cole]

Actually according to stuides. States that allow people to carry firearms have gone down in killing or crime or something.

This is because if a guy comes into a store to rob it, pulls out a gun. Everyone around him could pull out a gun at him... .

 

[el Chi]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people has a somewhat great relevance to me.

That catchphrase is such nonsense, and always sounds to me as if the NRA is trying to defend these dear helpless guns. The poor things.
As Eddie Izzard said: "The gun helps..."

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

The fact of the matter is, we really know next to nothing about the affects of gun proliferation against crime, in particular deaths. There have been plenty of "studies" -that are really quite laughable when you look at their sources-, "Well look at this place its etc etc" and "My friend says guns don't kill people" but still we don't really know what effect taking away guns would have on crime in the US, or what effect allowing guns would have in a country like the UK.

 

[Recoil]

el Chi: of course it does not justify any gun laws or something, but somehow says what I wrote/think... that it's (mainly!) the people themselves.

 

[el Chi]

but still we don't really know what effect taking away guns would have on crime in the US,

Before it had any effect on crime rates, it would have a huge effect on civil unrest. There'd be a whole load of dissident groups ready to overthrow the Commie government hippies who done this to our great nation. Well, their nation.

Recoil: I know what you mean, I just really disagree with that argument.

 

[Steve]

That catchphrase is such nonsense, and always sounds to me as if the NRA is trying to defend these dear helpless guns. The poor things.
As Eddie Izzard said: "The gun helps..."

Transvestites, however clever or hilarious, do not get a say in this.

 

[nib]

First, to the folks that said they don't think people owning guns is a deterrent to criminals. You don't own a gun to deter, you own a gun to protect yourself.

Secondly, to those that think banning them would help anything. All I have to say is drugs. Drugs are illegal in the US so we obviously shouldn't have a drug problem, right? Making guns illegal simply ensures that the criminal WILL have a gun and the innocent home-owner will have no real way to protect himself or his family.

Third, as to the comments about accidents with guns. There are accidents with anything and everything. People that want to ban guns due to the accidental deaths are speaking from ignorance and fear of the weapon. I don't hear people wanting to ban the bathing of young children, which causes more accidental drownings than the number of accidental shootings of children.

 

[Steve]

I don't hear people wanting to ban the bathing of young children, which causes more accidental drownings than the number of accidental shootings of children.

Right. And I don't see anybody banning cars or planes or stairs.

 

[Tr0n]

The simple fact is that you can't ban guns in the US. It would never work because any drastic moves to do would cause the South to rise again...
Or something

Damn straight!

 

[Steve]

Damn straight!

We've already got a plan for that, if I'm not mistaken, ya?

 

[Tr0n]

We've already got a plan for that, if I'm not mistaken, ya?

Yep...I'll go get the car again.

 

[The Monkey]

First, to the folks that said they don't think people owning guns is a deterrent to criminals. You don't own a gun to deter, you own a gun to protect yourself.

Secondly, to those that think banning them would help anything. All I have to say is drugs. Drugs are illegal in the US so we obviously shouldn't have a drug problem, right? Making guns illegal simply ensures that the criminal WILL have a gun and the innocent home-owner will have no real way to protect himself or his family.

Third, as to the comments about accidents with guns. There are accidents with anything and everything. People that want to ban guns due to the accidental deaths are speaking from ignorance and fear of the weapon. I don't hear people wanting to ban the bathing of young children, which causes more accidental drownings than the number of accidental shootings of children.

No, we can't ban bathing, but we(you) can ban weapens, and that alone would save tens of thousands of lives per year. Sure, most people use their gun(s) to protect themselves, but if you got a criminal that plan to kill someone, atleast the goverment shouldn't be helping him doing it.

 

[Tr0n]

No, we can't ban bathing, but we(you) can ban weapens, and that alone would save tens of thousands of lives per year. Sure, most people use their gun(s) to protect themselves, but if you got a criminal that plan to kill someone, atleast the goverment shouldn't be helping him doing it.

If that criminal truely hated and wanted to kill someone...taking guns away wouldn't stop him.Theres many things you can use to kill someone.

 

[Steve]

No, we can't ban bathing, but we(you) can ban weapens, and that alone would save tens of thousands of lives per year. Sure, most people use their gun(s) to protect themselves, but if you got a criminal that plan to kill someone, atleast the goverment shouldn't be helping him doing it.

Again, banning cars would save quite a few lives annually, too.

 

[The Monkey]

Again, banning cars would save quite a few lives annually, too.

Yes, but cars do something good. What exacly is guns good for? Save protecting people against villains, but that's why you have a policeforce.

 

[Sprafa]

Banning guns would have a minimal effect (but positive) on crime, but the real problem is, how someone already said, the citizens of the USA.

The distribution of wealth in the USA is almost as bad as in Brazil, which is a 3rd world country.

 

[nib]

No, we can't ban bathing, but we(you) can ban weapens, and that alone would save tens of thousands of lives per year. Sure, most people use their gun(s) to protect themselves, but if you got a criminal that plan to kill someone, atleast the goverment shouldn't be helping him doing it.

Please see my second paragraph which addresses this issue. Besides, the government isn't "helping" him do anything. In fact, the government has setup many hoops and deterents for people trying to acquire guns.

 

[Tr0n]

Omg...here we go again...

 

[Steve]

Yes, but cars do something good. What exacly is guns good for? Save protecting people against villains, but that's why you have a policeforce.

Okay, and what does a police force with no guns do against criminals with them?

Oh, and going from what nib said, the way it's set up here, you have a 10 day (? help me out here, my fellow Americans) waiting period and a background check in order to purchase a firearms, so people who just want to buy a gun and kill somebody in a moment of passion have time to cool down (if indeed they cool down at all), and people with violent histories can't buy firearms. So, if you ban them, people using them for violent crimes now (most of whom are obtaining them illegally) will just get their guns in the same damn way if firearms are banned.

 

[The Monkey]

Please see my second paragraph which addresses this issue. Besides, the government isn't "helping" him do anything. In fact, the government has setup many hoops and deterents for people trying to acquire guns.

I guess you know more about this than I do, but if you look at the countries which don't allow firearms, you will notice that they have much fewer murders than the US, at least when it comes to muders using guns.

Okay, and what does a police force with no guns do against criminals with them?

Who ever said that the police wouldn't have guns? Perhaps I did, sorry, that was not what I meant.

 

[Tr0n]

I guess you know more about this than I do, but if you look at the countries which don't allow firearms, you will notice that they have much fewer murders than the US, at least when it comes to muders using guns.



Who ever said that the police wouldn't have guns? Perhaps I did, sorry, that was not what I meant.

Well everyone is saying ban guns...and if so the police wouldn't have any.Know why?

BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BANNED.

 

[Steve]

Anyhoo, I just read the entire title of this thread, and I'll have to say no again. We wouldn't have to change the constitution in order to ban firearms. The 2nd amendment (our "right to bear arms") does not say we have the right to bear arms. It says each state has the right to form a militia. It's simply one interpretation of the constitution that says we have the right to bear arms. So we wouldn't have to change the constitution, just reinterpret it and pass a few bills.

 

[Tr0n]

Anyways...I don't want to change the constitution because some foreigners doesn't like it.

 

[The Monkey]

Well everyone is saying ban guns...and if so the police wouldn't have any.Know why?

BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BANNED.

The police would be allowed to have it in service, but not outside it. The police have different right that the normal people do not. I'm sure you got a rule like that over there too.

 

[Top Secret]

One person having the ability to inflict supreme harm to another, and not feeling at risk is what pushes crime. If I have a gun, and you have a gun, I don't think you're going to shoot me/try and rob me. Har har. It's like nuclear weapons. Everyone has one, so we can't use them. =P (Not everyone, but you know what I mean, US and Russia) It sounds risky, but it works.

 

[Steve]

One person having the ability to inflict supreme harm to another, and not feeling at risk is what pushes crime. If I have a gun, and you have a gun, I don't think you're going to shoot me/try and rob me. Har har. It's like nuclear weapons. Everyone has one, so we can't use them. =P (Not everyone, but you know what I mean, US and Russia) It sounds risky, but it works.

God bless mutually assured destruction.

 

[Death.Trap]

God bless mutually assured destruction.

This, my friends is why I belive that the US should distribute personal briefcase nukes to every home in America. :cheers:

 

[Steve]

This, my friends is why I belive that the US should distribute personal briefcase nukes to every home in America. :cheers:

Nope. I don't trust my fellow southerners. 'Cept Tr0n. Well...hmmm...naw. None of 'em.

 

[Death.Trap]

Nope. I don't trust my fellow southerners. 'Cept Tr0n. Well...hmmm...naw. None of 'em.

Well, it worked for Russia VS America. You don't think it could work for Bob VS Bill?

 

[CptStern]

Well, it worked for Russia VS America. You don't think it could work for Bob VS Bill?

unfortunately all too often sally and little johnny are in the way when bill and bob settle their score

 

[Tr0n]

Nope. I don't trust my fellow southerners. 'Cept Tr0n. Well...hmmm...naw. None of 'em.

:hmph:

Better watch yourself...