Ds

[head_crabs]

who here has played the nintendo DS? i think it is the wors hand held and a waste of money. some of my friends have it and they say its stupit to. does anyone here have it and what do you think about it?

 

[Adrien C]

I think that nitendo will faill on this one, just compare it to the psp, the ds is a bulky model, the psp really looks slim and high tech. Also, the psp is aimed for a more mature audience. Just picture this, take out your ds in X place, you will surely look like one big nerd/looser , how ever, take out your psp and people will say the guy is packing some cool gear, he is probably using it for the mp3 or tho watch movies on the go.

 

[KU_]

How will the DS fail? The thing sold 3+ million copies, thats a success. Sony hyped the PSP too much, had poor advertising, and the sales are suffering for it.

http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3139311

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I think that nitendo will faill on this one, just compare it to the psp, the ds is a bulky model, the psp really looks slim and high tech. Also, the psp is aimed for a more mature audience. Just picture this, take out your ds in X place, you will surely look like one big nerd/looser , how ever, take out your psp and people will say the guy is packing some cool gear, he is probably using it for the mp3 or tho watch movies on the go.

I think almost 4 million people disagree with you greatly.

 

[Warbie]

Kirby arrives next week. Very excited

(comes with a pink stylus :afro: )

 

[Kschreck]

I have both handhelds and personally I like the PSP much more. I also believe that most of the people who claim to like the DS better is in denial about how good the PSP is. Either that or they never really played around with one and tried the many features. The DS only plays games and of those games they are limited to less then N64 graphics where as the PSP is a complete media solution and the graphics are of PS2 quality and if thats not convincing enough, the DS games ALL got horrible reviews asside from like 1 or two where as many PSP games got high reviews. Then the controls for the DS are honestly crap in my opinion. I can't even play Super Mario DS barely. They butchered my second favorite game of all time. Theres not even that many decent titles out. People will say you go Castlevania and Zelda: Four Swords our for it but what they will fail to tell you is that both of those games have near SNES graphics. Kirby looks ok but again it's got crap graphics. As for the battery life, I seemed tog et just as much battery life in my PSP as I did with my DS. I truly think Sony's PSP is an all around better system. However As horrible of a handheld the Nintendo DS is, many people do not take the time to check out Sony's PSP and they automatically think theres nothing better then the DS. Another problem is the price of the PSP is quite a bit more then the DS which scares away a lot of people. It will probably take some time for Sony's new handheld to catch up and overcome Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market. I think this will began to happend in the second part of the year after Sony shows off more of it's great lineup such as Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within, Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Coded Arms, Gran Turismo 4, ETC! All this is my opinion so keep that in mind.

 

[KU_]

Kschreck-
That basically sounded like a DS bash. You go on and on about the PSP's graphics. When did graphics make a game? The gameplay is what really counts, and you cannot have the same type of gameplay on the PSP as you can on the DS. Take away the graphics, and the DS can play any PSP game. And your arguement about the people being in "denial" because the PSP is better can go either way. You mention Splinter Cell for the PSP, yet Splinter Cell Chaos Theory hasn't been announced for the PSP, but it has been announced for the DS. Pretty much all the PSP games are going to be rehashes of a PS2 game. You boast about how good the PSP's games are, yet only a few have scored 8's and above. Both lineups for the systems sucked, and in the longrun, I think Nintendo will win with software. I tried both systems, and the PSP was just too overhyped.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I have both handhelds and personally I like the PSP much more. I also believe that most of the people who claim to like the DS better is in denial about how good the PSP is. Either that or they never really played around with one and tried the many features. The DS only plays games and of those games they are limited to less then N64 graphics where as the PSP is a complete media solution and the graphics are of PS2 quality and if thats not convincing enough, the DS games ALL got horrible reviews asside from like 1 or two where as many PSP games got high reviews. Then the controls for the DS are honestly crap in my opinion. I can't even play Super Mario DS barely. They butchered my second favorite game of all time. Theres not even that many decent titles out. People will say you go Castlevania and Zelda: Four Swords our for it but what they will fail to tell you is that both of those games have near SNES graphics. Kirby looks ok but again it's got crap graphics. As for the battery life, I seemed tog et just as much battery life in my PSP as I did with my DS. I truly think Sony's PSP is an all around better system. However As horrible of a handheld the Nintendo DS is, many people do not take the time to check out Sony's PSP and they automatically think theres nothing better then the DS. Another problem is the price of the PSP is quite a bit more then the DS which scares away a lot of people. It will probably take some time for Sony's new handheld to catch up and overcome Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market. I think this will began to happend in the second part of the year after Sony shows off more of it's great lineup such as Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within, Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Coded Arms, Gran Turismo 4, ETC! All this is my opinion so keep that in mind.

Who hasn't taken time to check out the PSP?? Dude, it's been out a week and almost sold 500,000 units...I don't see what your getting at?? Certainly not what Sony had hoped for, but a solid launch still.

Again....it is all you opinion and unfortunatly you're in the minority. I'm certainly not in denial and neither are most people who passed on it for now....that's a ridiculous comment.

Why don't you go sit in a Target and sell them one yourself?? You know what I hear from friends who work there...I hear of several people that approach sales personel...inquire about the system....are stunned by the graphics and capabilities and then proceed to baulk at paying $250....and these are probobly not people that spend as much time online as you or I....so they probobly have no idea about the dead pixel issue, button problems or ninja star UMDs. In denial?? Honestly....what in the hell are you talking about.....not one person here will shit on the PSP and flame it..it's a beautiful handheld...graphically superior to the DS...numerous multimedia feature....but does it make it better than the DS?? NO, IT'S ALL OPINION. Something that everyone is entitled to....it certainly doen't make them in denial.

 

[Kschreck]

I did include that it was my opinion... I recommend reading before you start to flame.

 

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

I've played both, not a fan of the psp. The games are pretty and all but not very fun. Plus the audience sony's trying the market the PSP too turns me off it even more.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

I've played both, not a fan of the psp. The games are pretty and all but not very fun. Plus the audience sony's trying the market the PSP too turns me off it even more.

what audience are they going for? Im considering buying a PSP eventually for less money and when the games are there i want.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I did include that it was my opinion... I recommend reading before you start to flame.

Who's flaming, chief??

That comment after you gave a PSP overview that read like a Sony exec was blowing smoke up my ass.

 

[Warbie]

I dunno why ppl insist on comparing the consoles - they're so different, and cater for for a very different experience.

It'll make more sense to compare the GBA 2 (when its out) to the PSP.

Also, why can't others understand that the idea of playing Wipeout, Ridge Racer, THUG 2 etc etc on a handheld is far from appealing to many gamers? I've played most iterations of all these titles to death - and have next to no interest in buying them again.

My mate has Wipeout on the PSP, and the first 10 minutes or so was great fun (the screen is so very cool, and the gfx, bar the slow down, are lovely) It was still just Wipeout though - and I got bored.

Consumers buy a DS for games like Kirby (which looks very nice and twee btw ) - games they can't play any other platform, that are original and creative.

If the DS never existed I wouldn't have purchased a PSP. If I won a PSP tomorrow the only title i'd buy would be Lumines.

 

[jonbob]

I've got one, it's great. Pity I could only afford one game for it though.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Im considering buying a PSP eventually for less money and when the games are there i want.

I think you share the view of many considering purchasing a PSP.

For the price, there are fewer appealing games, IMO, than there are on the DS. Not that that's everyone's reasoning or that they are comparing it to the DS, but, as Warbie said, that's a load of change to fork over for the 5-6th iteration of some of these games. I'll wait for Gran Turismo 4 Mobile and a few revisions.

 

[KU_]

Head over to www.dsrevolution.com Pretty good DS and Nintendo Revolution site.

 

[Kschreck]

Why do you people keep insisting that theres a top secret handheld in development at Nintendo when nothing has been confirmed?

 

[GhostBoi]

Why do you people keep insisting that theres a top secret handheld in development at Nintendo when nothing has been confirmed?

That is not what we are saying at all, Nintendo has stated over and over again that the DS is not the successor to the GBA, so when we talk about the next GB, we are talking about the actual successor to the GBA .

 

[gh0st]

Yeah show me some information about the "GBA 2". I'd like to see what everybody is talking about.

I have both systems. Originally, when both were in production and I was looking at screens, price, etc, I was pretty hyped about the DS, and I got one with SM64, and was wowed by it. Was it anything new and creative? No, not really. It was Mario with a stylus, a stunningly inconvenient control scheme in which you hold the console with one hand (for most people your bad one, the left hand), and hold the stylus with the other. Sounds like carpol tunnel syndrome for me. Its not my fault I cant get hyped for "original" stuff like ray man or splinter cell (which will be coming out on a vastly superior system anyway), and more recycled trash like mario kart, mario 64, and other uninteresting, uninspiring trash like yoshi touch and go. We can see the superb quality of the "original" games coming out just by looking at the scores. 6.0, 7.2, 8.4, 4.5, 5.2. The only reasonable score is Mario 64 - how "original".

For christs sake people, a metal gear solid CARD GAME did better than everything here but the DS's one good title. See the error of your ways? For me, personally, the PSP offers vastly better games, vastly better hardware, vastly better online play, vastly better appearence, and it doesnt need some new crap like a stylus or two screens to do it. I'm frankly getting sick of people touting the DS's originality like it actually HAS some. Get real people, my DS has been reduced to nothing more than an expensive paperweight. Its nothing more than a trendy gimmick, theres no horsepower under the hood.

Dont get me wrong though, the DS has some uses. If youre 8 years old and dont have a job, its for you. If you need to be able to wiggle a little plastic pencil around on the screen to be a part of the game, its for you. I acknowledge that the PSP doesnt have the best games out, but boy are the good ones on the way

Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within, Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy, Coded Arms, Gran Turismo 4, Lumines, Ridge Racer (better graphics, why not?), Wipeout. Hey! Two of those got 5/5 on gamespy! Dont see many DS games that have gotten great scores.

They are both Ridge Racer. Guess which is the PSP and which is the DS. No reason to buy a DS unless you cant afford a PSP, seriously.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Many people have started calling it the GameBoy Evolution.

 

[gh0st]

Many people have started calling it the GameBoy Evolution.

Can you show us an annoucement, some screenshots, ANY verification that it exists?

 

[Kschreck]

There is no proof. It's pure speculation. I certainly hope Nintendo makes a GameBoy as powerful or more powerful then the PSP. I say if nothing is announced at E3 this year then Nintendo most likely is not working on a new GB or that it won't even come out for years to come.

 

[GhostBoi]

Can you show us an annoucement, some screenshots, ANY verification that it exists?

Since the DS is not the next GB and they said that they are going to have all three(GBA,DS,GC) in the market at the same time. It would seem like they are going to continue the Home console market, why not their Game Boy market? The answer is they will, the DS was just a branch off to do something new, okay, stop being so pessimistic.

 

[gh0st]

There is no proof. It's pure speculation. I certainly hope Nintendo makes a GameBoy as powerful or more powerful then the PSP. I say if nothing is announced at E3 this year then Nintendo most likely is not working on a new GB or that it won't even come out for years to come.

If its better than the PSP I'll buy it, but I dont see any proof, and with little to no hype, I'm doubting it will be at E3 which means it wont be out at least until next year.

Since the DS is not the next GB and they said that they are going to have all three(GBA,DS,GC) in the market at the same time. It would seem like they are going to continue the Home console market, why not their Game Boy market? The answer is they will, the DS was just a branch off to do something new, okay, stop being so pessimistic.

Who is being pessimistic? You are the people arguing that its going to be so much better than the PSP when its not even released. Nintendo fanboys make me want to scream.

 

[The Mullinator]

There is no proof. It's pure speculation. I certainly hope Nintendo makes a GameBoy as powerful or more powerful then the PSP. I say if nothing is announced at E3 this year then Nintendo most likely is not working on a new GB or that it won't even come out for years to come.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1216305#post1216305

That was the thread we had earlier. Of course the only thing confirmed is that the DS is not intended to be the next iteration of the gameboy. Nintendo clearly stated that just after the DS was revealed to the public.

 

[clarky003]

can I say who gives a monkey's coco nuts. Id gladly wipe my arse on a handheld .. *aka fancy pantsy gameboy spin offs*. for a nice holiday or a brand spanking new computer, infact most nice things superseed any kind of want for these expensive frisby's..

thats not to say the technology isnt great though.

 

[gh0st]

can I say who gives a monkey's coco nuts. Id gladly wipe my arse on a handheld .. *aka fancy pantsy gameboy spin offs*. for a nice holiday or a brand spanking new computer, infact most nice things superseed any kind of want for these expensive frisby's..

thats not to say the technology isnt great though.

Thanks for your contribution.

 

[clarky003]

my pleasure . sorry if that offended anyone, I saw some chav kiddies playing on one the other day sitting on a wall in the street. Didnt do the overal image any favours

 

[KU_]

Why do you people keep insisting that theres a top secret handheld in development at Nintendo when nothing has been confirmed?

Ummm... What the hell are you talking about? The Nintendo Revolution is the next console for Nintendo, like a home console. Not a handheld. Ok? Thanks.

 

[gh0st]

Ummm... What the hell are you talking about? The Nintendo Revolution is the next console for Nintendo, like a home console. Not a handheld. Ok? Thanks.

Nobody is talking about the Revolution except for you.

 

[KU_]

Go to the top of the page. KSchrek thinks its the next GBA.

 

[gh0st]

Go to the top of the page. KSchrek thinks its the next GBA.

Show me where he said that.

 

[KU_]

Again, go to the top of Page 2.

 

[gh0st]

Again, go to the top of Page 2.

This thread isnt even 2 pages for me, you have a different setting, thats why I asked you to quote where he said it for me. Unless you cant.

 

[KU_]

Why do you people keep insisting that theres a top secret handheld in development at Nintendo when nothing has been confirmed?

That's what he said right after I mentioned the Revolution.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Who is being pessimistic? You are the people arguing that its going to be so much better than the PSP when its not even released. Nintendo fanboys make me want to scream.

Who here said the next GameBoy is going to be better than the PSP?? Quote him, please. It was merely mentioned in this thread. Relax.

For christs sake people, a metal gear solid CARD GAME did better than everything here but the DS's one good title. See the error of your ways? For me, personally, the PSP offers vastly better games, vastly better hardware, vastly better online play, vastly better appearence, and it doesnt need some new crap like a stylus or two screens to do it. I'm frankly getting sick of people touting the DS's originality like it actually HAS some. Get real people, my DS has been reduced to nothing more than an expensive paperweight. Its nothing more than a trendy gimmick, theres no horsepower under the hood.

Dont get me wrong though, the DS has some uses. If youre 8 years old and dont have a job, its for you. If you need to be able to wiggle a little plastic pencil around on the screen to be a part of the game, its for you. I acknowledge that the PSP doesnt have the best games out, but boy are the good ones on the way

Your comments are ridiculously biased yet you have the nerve to call others fanboys.

Can you show us an annoucement, some screenshots, ANY verification that it exists?

http://cube.ign.com/mail/2005-01-20.html

OMFG...someone relevant discussing the next GameBoy. Under the heading "The Next GameBoy"....in case you didn't get the point. And speculation points to it being quite powerful.

 

[gh0st]

That's what he said right after I mentioned the Revolution.

Did it ever occur to you that he wasent talking to you?

Who here said the next GameBoy is going to be better than the PSP?? Quote him, please. It was merely mentioned in this thread. Relax.

That is not what we are saying at all, Nintendo has stated over and over again that the DS is not the successor to the GBA, so when we talk about the next GB, we are talking about the actual successor to the GBA

The implication that comparing the DS to the PSP isnt valid, so somehow this unannounced, uncomfirmed (even by your own link, which uses the word "alleges", "sources", and "things i've heard") console will be better than the PSP.

ur comments are ridiculously biased yet you have the nerve to call others fanboys.

No they arent. I just realized, after liking the DS so much, that it sucks. Look at some of my earlier threads when the DS first came out (I got it at launch), and tell me that I wasent a fan of it.

 

[KU_]

Did it ever occur to you that he wasent talking to you?



The implication that comparing the DS to the PSP isnt valid, so somehow this unannounced, uncomfirmed (even by your own link, which uses the word "alleges", "sources", and "things i've heard") console will be better than the PSP.


No they arent. I just realized, after liking the DS so much, that it sucks. Look at some of my earlier threads when the DS first came out (I got it at launch), and tell me that I wasent a fan of it.

Then who was he talking to? Himself? I was the only one to mention the Revolution.

 

[Warbie]

At least wait for some of the more promising DS games that are currently in production to come out before making judgement, Ghost (You're being very premature - the machine has only been out for a few months in some countries). Fair enough, the launch titles were average to ok/good at best - but there's plenty that look excellent on the way (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75459).

Even so, i've enjoyed Band Bros. more than any title on the PSP, and think Yoshi's Touch and Go is great fun and, most importantly, very original.

You also skip around the fact the available PSP titles are nothing more than rehashes. You may be happy with another Ridge Racer or Wipeout. I'm not.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

The implication that comparing the DS to the PSP isnt valid, so somehow this unannounced, uncomfirmed (even by your own link, which uses the word "alleges", "sources", and "things i've heard") console will be better than the PSP.

1) you asked for any evidence of it's existance 2) I don't think you're going to find Nintendo blowing their load and spilling the beans about this thing probobly a full year or more before it's release and 3) the guy works for a video game magazine and I'd trust his input on the next GameBoy as being sufficient for the discussion.........it's not like I cited some random thread as my source.

Because whoever said it wasn't fair to compare the DS to the PSP.....does that mean that he said the next GameBoy will be better than the PSP. I think you're the only one to muster that interpretation.