Egyptian uprising

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The US sees Egypt's way of dealing with free speech, thinks to itself "Damn, I wish we could do that."
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/kill-switch-legislation/
A million people took to the streets of Egypt earlier this week to protest the Mubarak regime and call for democratic reform. The Egyptian government responded, again, by cutting off Internet access and plunging the nation into digital darkness.

Such drastic action is a new way for governments to smother popular movements worldwide... just as more and more people are turning to Twitter, Facebook and YouTube and using cell phones to speak out against authoritarian regimes.

We also have cause for concern at home: Plans are afoot that could give the U.S president the authority to flip the "kill switch" on our Internet.

Tell Your Senators: Say 'No' to the Internet Kill Switch

Senators Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Thomas Carper (D-Dela.) introduced legislation in the last Congress that would give the executive branch vague and unchecked authority to cut off “critical infrastructure” in times of crisis.
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VirusType2 said:
US in Talks With Egypt for Mubarak to Resign Immediately

http://www.voanews.com/english/news...-Mubarak-to-Resign-Immediately-115271139.html
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I'm pretty sure we just waited to see which way this was going to go. Once it was plain that they citizens were not going to be pacified, the US stepped in to try and secure our allieship with the next government.

I hope that we will stay back and only support the Egyptian people and not try to instate another "leader"... that practice has almost always backfired on us. Real allies are countries who have mutual respect for one another. If the US starts trying to meddle in their internal affairs, that would show a lack of respect and Egypt would resent us for it.
 
lord_raken said:
I'm pretty sure we just waited to see which way this was going to go. Once it was plain that they citizens were not going to be pacified, the US stepped in to try and secure our allieship with the next government.

I hope that we will stay back and only support the Egyptian people and not try to instate another "leader"... that practice has almost always backfired on us. Real allies are countries who have mutual respect for one another. If the US starts trying to meddle in their internal affairs, that would show a lack of respect and Egypt would resent us for it.
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Won't happen. One of the most unpopular policies of the Mubarak governemnt was cooperation with the US and Israel. Until just over a week ago Egypt was effectivly an American client state. The new government, if and when it comes, is unlikley to be openly hostile to the US, if only because it's military will still be dependent on the US for spares for most of its equipment (the vast majority of Egypt's modern military hardware is American) but they arn't likley to be very friendly, either. At least if its the outcome of a democratic election. The US doesn't need to start meddling in Egypts affairs, its been doing it for years.

Also, Mubarak was a good, reliable US ally for getting on 30 years. If I were in the Saudi or Jordanian governments right now I'd be looking for some new friends because it sure seems the US isn't keen to keep them.
 
First dead journalist

http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFLDE71329T20110205
CAIRO Feb 4 (Reuters) - An Egyptian journalist wounded in protests against the rule of President Hosni Mubarak has died of his injuries, his wife told Al Jazeera television on Friday.

Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud, who worked with state-owned daily al-Ahram, was wounded on Jan. 29 during protests that began four days earlier against poverty, corruption and political repression. He is the first journalist known to have died in the unrest.

[...]

Mahmoud's wife, whose name the channel did not give, said he was shot in the head while filming clashes from the balcony of his home
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Yeah, not known if he was wounded by the anti-government protestors or the pro-Mubarak ones.

At least not according to media over here.
 
The leadership of Egypt's ruling party has stepped down. That includes Mubarak's son. Close but no enchilada.
 
They want YOU to step down you old ****ing asshole! Dictators just can't give it up.
 
Raziaar said:
They want YOU to step down you old ****ing asshole! Dictators just can't give it up.
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I was talking about the news with the owner of the internet cafe where I am now. His conclusion: Mubarak does not own a television.
 
Gargantou said:
Well to be fair I think they wanted all other corrupt officials to step down as well.:p
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Yeah but what's the point if the same big shot asshole that hired them all is going to hire some new people with similar personalities as the old. It's not if Mubarak stays he's going to revolutionize his government.
 
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I just found this(among a sea of other similar products). On the one had, I think it's a cool t-shirt design, but on the other hand I can't help but feel a little bit disgusted since people are basically cashing in on the suffering of egyptians.
 
Jesus ****ing christ @ the police killing the civilian video..

Apparently it was a teenager also, his friend had just been shot by the police and he was angry(understandably.)

It's one thing to read about these things but it's so disturbing to see it..
 
Anyone else think the Muslim Brotherhood is used as a convenient scapegoat by the western media to propogate their idea that there is a possibility of an imminent Islamic caliphate in Egypt ? From what I hear, the Brotherhood is conservative, but not as radical as they are made out to be. And the current protest is spearheaded by secularists.

The Pro Mubarak protesters are 'Baltigi' Pretty much ex cops who have been imprisoned for Drug addiction.
 
Remus said:
I just found this(among a sea of other similar products). On the one had, I think it's a cool t-shirt design, but on the other hand I can't help but feel a little bit disgusted since people are basically cashing in on the suffering of egyptians.
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That's the free market system for you.

And that doesn't stop me from wanting one of those shirts.
 
Shyam said:
Anyone else think the Muslim Brotherhood is used as a convenient scapegoat by the western media to propogate their idea that there is a possibility of an imminent Islamic caliphate in Egypt ? From what I hear, the Brotherhood is conservative, but not as radical as they are made out to be. And the current protest is spearheaded by secularists.
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Exactly my thoughts. I'm not too familiar with the organization, but their history doesn't seem very radical, at least not relative to who we usually call "radicals." I really do get the sense that its the media trying to quell support for the Egyptian people by making it seem like they're just pawns being used by the Muslim Brotherhood. Even my dad mentioned how he "can't tell" if the people protesting are doing it for the right reason, and doesn't know if they could be trusted to form a better government than their current one. Thankfully he watches The Daily Show too, so hes not been wholly convinced by Fox that its the truth though. The Daily Show crew did a pretty good skit on it, showing how silly it is to think this uprising is caused by anything other than the conditions imposed on the civilians living under Mubarak's control.
 
The caliphate won't happen anytime soon. The last real caliph was the Ottoman sultan and even he wasn't accepted as the leader of the faithful by a lot of Muslims. Bin Laden calls himself the caliph but that is chutzpah.

The Brotherhood isn't a liberal Islamic party though. They are basically the Muslim version of the Christian conservatives in the American Republican Party. The Jordanian branch of the Brotherhood held a couple of government posts for a short while in the early nineties and during that time they segregated men from women in the ministries they held, forbid Royal Jordanian Airlines to serve alcohol during flights and added the Sharia to the curriculum of Law School. At least, that is what I read in the newspaper this morning.

But yeah, some Western media are making it sound like the Brotherhood will turn Egypt into the Sunni version of Iran and that is scaremongering imo.
 
Apparently the vice president Omar Suleiman has stated that 'martial law' might be declared soon. And that a 'coup' might happen and 'irrationalities' will occur.

It seems the government is tired of the facade they are putting on. I don't know if Martial law will happen, if it does, it does imply more freedom for the security apparatus to deal with the protesters. But that might snowball into even more support for the Anti-Mubarak camp.

Also how long can the Egyptians go on with their country at a standstill ?
 
If the Egyptians continue to protest, the country will be in ruins long before Mubarak officially steps down in September. Egypt is pretty much between a rock and a hard place. Whatever happens, the whole world is going to be affected by it.
 
Shem said:
If the Egyptians continue to protest, the country will be in ruins long before Mubarak officially steps down in September. Egypt is pretty much between a rock and a hard place. Whatever happens, the whole world is going to be affected by it.
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It's already in ruins, that's why they protested in the first place.
 
Shyam said:
It's already in ruins, that's why they protested in the first place.
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No, they started protesting because of their lack of basic human rights, among other things. Despite the low minimum wages, their economy is one of the best in the Middle East. The problem is, Mubarak refuses to step down immediately. Mubarak is the problem, and the protests will continue to violently escalate until he's out of the picture. And eventually, the country will be in ruins. There's already 300 people dead, thousands more injured, and, unfortunately, many more will follow.
 
Shem said:
No, they started protesting because of their lack of basic human rights, among other things. Despite the low minimum wages, their economy is one of the best in the Middle East. The problem is, Mubarak refuses to step down immediately. Mubarak is the problem, and the protests will continue to violently escalate until he's out of the picture. And eventually, the country will be in ruins. There's already 300 people dead, thousands more injured, and, unfortunately, many more will follow.
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I thought the rising food prices also contributed to the protests, as in Algeria and Tunisia ?
 
Shyam said:
I thought the rising food prices also contributed to the protests, as in Algeria and Tunisia ?
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Right, they did, which is why I included 'among other things' in my post. There's a whole bunch of reasons why they began to protest, including what you mentioned, but the biggest one was the lack of human rights.
 
It's not confirmed that he will step down, just expected.

I fully support this, it's great to hear that (presumably) the Egyptian people will succeed where the Iranians failed.

I just really hope that Sulieman (current VP) doesn't become the new president, because he's just as evil as Mubarak.
 
Ennui said:
It's not confirmed that he will step down, just expected.

I fully support this, it's great to hear that (presumably) the Egyptian people will succeed where the Iranians failed.

I just really hope that Sulieman (current VP) doesn't become the new president, because he's just as evil as Mubarak.
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There also fears of a military coup.

Essam al-Erian, a senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest opposition group, said he feared that the Egyptian military was staging a coup.

"It looks like a military coup... I feel worry and anxiety," he told Reuters news agency. "The problem is not with the president, it is with the regime."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12421000

I hope not, Egyptian people deserve some sort of victory. They stuck through it, and I salute their bravery.
 
The Muslim Brotherhood, to my understanding, is piggybacking on the revolution. The reason they "fear a military coup" is that the military is on the side of the people and not the Muslim conservatives. The revolution was not started by the Brotherhood, and they should not be the ones to end it.
 
Stigmata said:
The Muslim Brotherhood, to my understanding, is piggybacking on the revolution. The reason they "fear a military coup" is that the military is on the side of the people and not the Muslim conservatives. The revolution was not started by the Brotherhood, and they should not be the ones to end it.
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All political parties will do what they are trying to do, it is the first step to Democracy, no ? Dealing with greasy politicians.

I have to say, I am beginning to outright loathe Fox news now, for a number of days, they have been saying the 'Muslim Brotherhood' is behind this or coming up with other rhetoric that implies that this is an Islamic revolution. I think this the height of hypocrisy, the Egyptians are fighting hard for the freedoms and rights the western people take for granted. I am just so pissed at their coverage.

Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O Reilly can go learn Yoga so they can go suck their own dicks. At least they won't be able to spray bullshit anymore.
 
Mubarak is speaking now and from what I'm gathering he doesn't sound like he is stepping down (I am not watching it since at work, just from what I'm reading).
 
No Limit said:
Mubarak is speaking now and from what I'm gathering he doesn't sound like he is stepping down (I am not watching it since at work, just from what I'm reading).
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Well.....

F***ing A Hole.
 
Basically he just said "**** you all, I ain't goin no where, bitch."
 
Very disappointing speech, the US and EU needs to stop pussyfooting around this and tell him outright to step down.
 
Apparently Karim Hagag, a high ranking official in the Egyptian Embassy in the United States has told BBC that Omar Suleiman is the 'de facto president' while Mubarak is the 'de jure' president.

Unconfirmed obviously.
 
No that's definitely confirmed as of about 2hours ago. Suleiman has all the presidential powers, at the moment Mubarak is only president for legal purposes, all of his power is vested in Suleiman.
 
yeah mubarak is power crazy, we as a country would force him out of power probably but we are allies so that would cause tensions to arise. H needs to relise that he has no power if there are no people to give it to him.
A presidents power comes from the people, since he is attempting to keep his power he loses it; he would still have respect if he respectivly turned down from office
 
Someone is going to get shot.

And his name starts with Sul and ends with douchebag.
 
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