Ether Vortex Turbine.. I know how to build one.

[clarky003]

Inverse Gravity Vehicles (IGVs), of which 41 prototypes were built, and one large version was constructed, the DEMO-1, in 1968. The smaller craft were the P series IGVs, approximately 11 feet in diameter and weighing a few tonnes. DEMO-1 was 21 feet in diameter and weighed 11 tonnes.

Inside each of these IGVs there is a powerful 3-ring rotor which provides levity to the craft through a combination of magnetic, electrostatic and flywheel effects, many of which I freely admit are beyond my comprehension.

The iron element in the rotor "plate" (the big ring) is magnetized with a combined DC and AC magnetizing sequence which causes many poles to form all over the surface of the iron, in a wave like pattern corresponding to the AC frequency used. The iron element is then combined with the others (which are NOT involved in the magnetizing process) in a process called sintering - pushing them together under pressure. The same is done for the smaller magnets, or "rollers", except that each roller consists of eight stacked segments held together by the magnetic field. When you have twelve roller stacks and a correctly magnetized plate, and place the rollers on the plate as below, something truly amazing happens.

(segring.jpg) There are only ten rollers in the picture for safety reasons, as in a full set, the rollers will accelerate to 250km/h around the plate! This incredible feat is due to the instability of having an AC sine imprint on the plate (magnetic cushion) and a cosine print on the rollers - instability created as the fields conflict causes the rollers to orbit the plate. They are held down by the magnetic field and thrown out by the centrifugal forces, so the rollers do not actually touch the plate when in motion. Thus, friction is virtually non-existent, and the high electrostatic charge accumulated by the rotor soon ionises all the nearby air and pushes it totally away from the rotor, enveloping it in an intense vacuum. High voltage flashover thus becomes impossible, and the potentials created by the generator can reach monstrous levels.
Unlike any other form of electrical technology, the presence of electron flow throught the generator actually cools it, reducing the resistance. This is due to free electrons being pulled out of the air and the resulting energy deficit causing the air to cool. As one places a greater and greater load on the rotor's induction coils (fitted so that the rollers pass through them to produce high-frequency AC), the rollers accelerate to accomodate the added energy drain, more power is pulled from the air, and the temperature lowers even further. A critical point is eventually reached. At 4 degrees Kelvin, the rotor superconducts and totally loses all electrical resistance. At this point, it levitates, completely enveloped in a perfect vacuum. Without control, it will accelerate up away from the Earth and disappear off into space, never to be seen again. To control it, a powerful radio frequency emitted nearby is required. If the same RF is transmitted as the AC frequency used to magnetise the rollers, they will completely stop. This acts as an ideal control gate, preventing the loss of costly generators.

quoted from some random article i once found.. also propaution's are critical, and John Searl's law of the squares needs to be followed in precision manufacture.

ive included several images + exactley what the rings are made up of. its .. in lamens terms a magnetic bearing gyro that creates an overunity from magnetic and electrical interaction, with side effects modern science is yet to fully comprehend.

I find it fascinating and have been investigating it for a while.. and i finally think i understand the functionality and materials. Ive included an image of my own (set up.jpg), as for explainations, nothing really scientifically sound can be made of it, outside of quantum mechanics,, which can describe the theory behind it envolving the zero point domain and existence of virtual partical's, percieveable as a holographic world which at the core of our reality is a 'soup' if you will, of energy and force field like manifestations that through our external senses give our world its apparent solidity and features.

 

[mortiz]

Too...many...words.../dies.

Just tell me when they've built hover cars

 

[JimmehH]

Surely the existence of virtual particles/the uncertainty principle prevents a perfect vacuum from forming.

That very minor quibble aside, how do you extract energy from the system? Do you link one of the spinning plates to a normal generator?
Could you perhaps add a brake to stop it from spinning too quickly and reaching the critical temperature?
I just want to make sure I have the basic principles/mechanics of the device correct.

 

[clarky003]

a principle 'equation', reality in vaccum state manifestation is another thing.. we dont actually have a clue about the vaccum other than it exists mathmatically speaking (thats as far as maths takes us, its only applicable to the laws of our reality, trying to describe it in terms of its effects on our reality can be done with careful thought, but understanding it goes beyond),so as we can only measure it from its manifesting effects,, not nearly enough to understand how a vaccum can form.. but its definately to do with the gyro rotation, circular on an axis.. like the rotation of any body be it the earth or the sun, creating even distribution of forces.

yes that mathmatical quibble aside.. you place C clamps around the exterior of the ouside rotor, the charge of + to - from in to out ,as in spinning objects that conduct electrons, cause the rollers to collect the flow of charge on the negative end, that with no discharge keeps building up and the power is obsorbed through the coiled clamps around the parimeter.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

...Then build one

 

[Ryjalon5k]

yea build a gravity gun already!

 

[CyberSh33p]

I love you clarky

you're seriously like our tinfoil hat wearing forum looney, but not in a bad way. lol.

you really bring an awesome element to these forums I must say. <3

 

[clarky003]

...Then build one

got engineering budies who would be up for a few test models

just two words... Fund Me

one day... ill save up for materials.

.. Urm, mm thanks CyberSheep

 

[JimmehH]

How much would you need?

 

[DoctorGordon3]

This is nice. If only i had the resources to construct it at this time.

Clarky, yet again you impress me.

 

[DoctorGordon3]

Also, whats the url you originally found this at?

 

[Maui]

Two quick obvious flaws, I won't dwell on it too long:

*Centrifugal forces pushing outward. Um, these don't exist. That's kinematics 101 stuff there. In uniform circular motion, there is a centripetal force - i.e., center seeking force. Otherwise, the things would just fly off in tangent lines to the circle they're spinning on.

*Ionizing air (removing electrons) - why the hell would this make the air colder? To me it would seem more like a dissociated plasma, which ISN'T cold.

I'll grant that I'm reaching a bit on the second one, though. Maybe there's some phenomena I'm not aware of, but from what I know it doesn't make any sense.

 

[clarky003]

*Centrifugal forces pushing outward. Um, these don't exist. That's kinematics 101 stuff there. In uniform circular motion, there is a centripetal force - i.e., center seeking force. Otherwise, the things would just fly off in tangent lines to the circle they're spinning on.

your forgeting that 'centrifugal'
is just the word used to describe all of the forces working together over that you just mentioned.. how would that make it different in operation... its just a different kind of explainatory word that does'nt identify the specific forces at work....

you have to see the strength of the Neodymium magnets to get the idea and the feel for how it would work. Buy some off ebay if you want to see how strong they actually are, if you already havnt messed with any (if you do, keep them away from anything electrical, especially cd's).


have you ever spun a metal disc on a bearing? it collects a small positive to negative charge inside to out as electrons flow from + to - , through all the collective forces that make up our 'centrifugal' description... the flow of electrons in the rotor is supposed to be so intense it starts drawing free electrons from the air.. which causes an endothermic reaction in the surrounding space cooling the air (draining it of energy), and creating a vaccum as Ionising annilates the breathable air.

ill reference that site later,, when i find it..

and Jimmeh, id need about 10,000 pounds for cost of materials and tools , maybe even a bit more. lol, so I was kind of J/K when i said fund me

 

[oldagerocker]

Im not a Physics guy.. but please explain in simpleton terms... what this machine actually does...?

I'm lost

 

[clarky003]

in simple terms,

1. its an overunity vaccum energy > electricity generator

2. it displays antigravity effects

3. supposedly it creates its own seperate pocket of universe .. nothing inside the field it creates would display effects of inertia, no matter how fast it accelerates.

 

[oldagerocker]

okay, i think i get it now. thanks

 

[Tr0n]

So you could possibly build a hovercraft?Yay or Nay?

 

[clarky003]

in theory, it could reach monstrous speeds in a vaccum, as a space craft, with incredible acceleration if you can manipulate the field.

in a test of one of John searls I read about, he proved the rapid acceleration has no inertial effects on objects inside the field as he placed a can ontop of one of the annulus rings,, sending it for a rapid test ride.. it came back , and the can had'nt budged an inch.

you could possibly prove weither the speed of light could be broken with it, guessing somewhere in the region of 6 x the speed of light for good measure, daft speeds, in one second of our time a controlled one could reach the edge of the solar system if what searl states is correct , and give some solid evidence how it would fare past the speed of travelling photons.

guessing it would dissapear and just reappear a second later at its calculated stopping point.

 

[Tr0n]

Is this the link?

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/segpage.htm

Edit:Here is a couple more links.

http://www.sisrc.com/

http://www.searleffect.com/

 

[Brian Damage]

You'd need something like 6C to make a trip to Alpha Centauri a reasonable length of time... moving at that speed, it'd probably take about... .8 of a year, I think, to get there.

Of course, I don't think you could just point your ship at Alpha C and let 'er rip, as the light reaching us from the star left about 4.3 years ago, IIRC, and its visual position probably isn't the same as its physical position at the current time.

If you could make course corrections as you went along, you'd probably end up going in a curve, which'd take more time... I wonder if they've worked out where all the local stars are currently? I reckon they must have, as they think they know the shape of the local universe... hmmm.

Definately something to work out before taking a space jaunt.

Oh, and clarky, dude? If you wanna ever build one of these turbine things, I'll design the ship for you...

 

[clarky003]

thats the site ,

Oh, and clarky, dude? If you wanna ever build one of these turbine things, I'll design the ship for you

hehe, it has to be flying saucer shaped.. + needs to firmly hold the annulus rings, and have enough room, + strength for it all to opperate.,

on a side note... has anyone ever come across a magnetic bearing motor,

it opperates on the same principles, the upper and lower segments cross section would look something like this. the spinning piece being the top section.

\___________________/
\______________________/

its basically a spinning segment that is kept in place by a magnetic cap, so it spins in thin air in a vaccum chamber, you start it up... and it spins like hell for ages and ages, so you put enough energy in to get it started, and get more back from the rotation there after. Theres no friction so if you place it on a horizontal axis .. well you can imagine.​

 

[Razor]

If i could have a go in your Flying Saucer when it's built and let me sight see around the solar system, i'd give you £1000.

 

[Spartan]

I built a hyperwarp core last night. It generates alpha waves to disrupt the Earth's electrovolcanic energy field with anti-atomic particle arrays. It can cure cancer and solve the energy crisis. But I didn't like it so I threw it away.

 

[NeptuneUK]

in simple terms,

1. its an overunity vaccum energy > electricity generator

2. it displays antigravity effects

3. supposedly it creates its own seperate pocket of universe .. nothing inside the field it creates would display effects of inertia, no matter how fast it accelerates.

cool....:smoking:

er. what is it again? :|

 

[Reaktor4]

people really believing in this crap amazes me :|

 

[Gray Fox]

people really believing in this crap amazes me :|

me to,

Clarky tell why no important scientific mags have allready reported of this, why no vids on the net where we can see these contraptions and how they work.

 

[Reaktor4]

me to,

Clarky tell why no important scientific mags have allready reported of this, why no vids on the net where we can see these contraptions and how they work.

It stops working when a skeptic or a camera comes within viewing range of it. http://www.randi.org/jr/081304permit.html#11

 

[clarky003]

yeh i get that all the time. Similar to the time when people claimed the world was round, they were told as crack pots, and locked away 'just because those in power couldnt see that the world was round, because of their flatlander viewpoint..

the technology is suppressed, by the powers that present us with our modern world, as much good as it could be used for,, the oil giants, and modern society would be rocked by this discovery, and 3rd world countries would need not worry about energy resources on land again...

but as the world is set up at the moment, the powers that be.. dont want it to come to light officially, they want us all to be dependant on the energy they provide.. for control, and for profit... for the maintenance of 'their' way of life , and science has been directly effected, thrown off course, to believe that such things are an impossibility,.

but put yourself in tesla's shoes, he found something he couldnt believe existed, electricity,, it just so happened the people that introduced it to the world exploited it's less efficient form of use, in coal powered generators, as Tesla supposedly had already found out stranger occurances,, Tesla documented the scalar wave form before anyone and found evidence of zero point in his experiments, but those methods are just not in the best intrests for profit, creating dependence and exploitation for power.

 

[Danimal]

Im not a Physics guy.. but please explain in simpleton terms... what this machine actually does...?

I'm lost

Its a spaceship?

 

[oldagerocker]

A space ship, a ha!

Go go gadget Gravity Gun Space Ship Thing.

yeah.... so clarky, when you build one of these, make a video for us so we can see it in action, whatever it's going to do...

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

me to,

Clarky tell why no important scientific mags have allready reported of this, why no vids on the net where we can see these contraptions and how they work.

I have to say, I don't know a lot of the theory behind all this...But I do know a little about history, and about how humans think. Most human beings are simply unwilling to accept change like this. We live in comfort zones, and we do not wish to leave them...Regardless of how comfortable the comfort zone might be, it is simply what we are accustomed to and we make every effort to stick with it. Now you look back at our past and you can cleary see how people have tried to keep with the status quo.

Remember, all our theories are just that...theories. As humans we simply cannot define absolute facts such as we treat ideas of the like of Special and General Relativity. Einstien could have been wrong...

We cannot actually observe the most fundamental building blocks of our universe, and because of this we can only make assumptions and base our theories off the effects, and the collective 'look' of what is actually going on. Make something complex enough and it looks like magic... When I say that in this context, I essentially mean that we see what we see and from what we see, we form our opinions about how things run. But because we cannot see the "Inner workings" so to speak, we sometimes look at an effect and believe it to be the cause.

 

[Tr0n]

Farrow....You amaze me once again.

Lets make babies.

 

[clarky003]

that is how I percieve the world, in that sense im a total skeptic on validity of our reality in the sense that we are localised within our senses,

well put Farrowlesparrow

we need more people on this earth thinking along those lines, you sound like your ready to accept change for the greater good, and more importantly a new level of freedom.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Woah woah...those two posts make it sound like I'm being initiated into some sort of cult

(Just kidding...if that wasn't obvious :x)

 

[Reaktor4]

yeh i get that all the time. Similar to the time when people claimed the world was round, they were told as crack pots, and locked away 'just because those in power couldnt see that the world was round, because of their flatlander viewpoint..

the technology is suppressed, by the powers that present us with our modern world, as much good as it could be used for,, the oil giants, and modern society would be rocked by this discovery, and 3rd world countries would need not worry about energy resources on land again...

but as the world is set up at the moment, the powers that be.. dont want it to come to light officially, they want us all to be dependant on the energy they provide.. for control, and for profit... for the maintenance of 'their' way of life , and science has been directly effected, thrown off course, to believe that such things are an impossibility,.

What a load of crap. Well actually i do agree with it partially; one of the reasons for cannabis prohibition was the number of industries that could go out of business if hemp was used to replace whatever they produced, so yeah the us gov does do things like that. However that is nothing to do with this free energy stuff and you know it. The reason this hasnt been proven is because its impossible. Otherwise build and demonstrate your machine, collect $2m+ from the jref and the numerous other organisations who will pay you for passing the jref test, and prove youre right to the world in the process. Now how exactly are the government stopping you from doing that? I dont remember hearing anything about them stepping in when that film crew went to record it. Oh wait a minute... maybe the reason it didnt work then wasnt the magic energy field coming from the crews cameras, maybe it was the cia and their magic energy field making sure nobody tapes this device working.

 

[Reaktor4]

I have to say, I don't know a lot of the theory behind all this...But I do know a little about history, and about how humans think. Most human beings are simply unwilling to accept change like this. We live in comfort zones, and we do not wish to leave them...Regardless of how comfortable the comfort zone might be, it is simply what we are accustomed to and we make every effort to stick with it. Now you look back at our past and you can cleary see how people have tried to keep with the status quo.

That is unfortunately true of most people but it is completely irrelevant to what you quoted.

Remember, all our theories are just that...theories. As humans we simply cannot define absolute facts such as we treat ideas of the like of Special and General Relativity. Einstien could have been wrong...

Agree, i believe he was wrong.

We cannot actually observe the most fundamental building blocks of our universe, and because of this we can only make assumptions and base our theories off the effects, and the collective 'look' of what is actually going on. Make something complex enough and it looks like magic... When I say that in this context, I essentially mean that we see what we see and from what we see, we form our opinions about how things run. But because we cannot see the "Inner workings" so to speak, we sometimes look at an effect and believe it to be the cause.

That doesnt matter though, all that is required in this instance is a demonstration of the thing, nothing more. But we sure as hell wont get one.

 

[Death.Trap]

people really believing in this crap amazes me :|

Eh? Are you a scientist? Were not talking about UFO's or aliens mollesting your dog. Can you prove this doesn't work?

 

[Reaktor4]

Eh? Are you a scientist? Were not talking about UFO's or aliens mollesting your dog. Can you prove this doesn't work?

How exactly am i supposed to prove that? If it breaking the accepted laws of science is enough proof then the description does that all by itself.
Any particular reason why you arent asking him to prove this works, btw? Its not because you know all you will get back is excuses, is it? If he is making this claim is it not up to him to provide proof of it?

 

[Brian Damage]

Wait, why's the ship have to be saucer-shaped?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Reaktor, the quote did have relevance, but perhaps not the most obvious that you were thinking of. I was quoting him, and suggesting that perhaps people's unwillingness to move from the norm has meant that ideas such as what clarky is suggesting, get little coverage. The distinct lack of information on this is what strikes me as odd, but in a different way. Usually you would hear a lot more about stuff like this, but because there are those who simply cannot accept that it is possible, they don't want to hear about it...largely because it contradicts what they are saying.
The rules and theories we have to describe how the universe works, may seem closer to the real deal and the Theory of Everything than they ever have before, but just because they give a more accurate description of events, doesn't mean they are true.

Now we so far haven't really seen much in the way of evidence of these claims, but why should we simply shun the ideas so harshly? Surely, their experimentation is not harming us in any way, and the possible benefits are astounding.