European Knight vs. Japanese Samurai

Who would win? Knight or Samurai?

  • Knight

    Votes: 33 38.4%

  • Samurai

    Votes: 53 61.6%
  • Total voters
    86
Ever fired a dart from a blowpipe? Its not accurate enough to hit a tiny chink, unless you're standing right next to the guy.

-Angry Lawyer
 
the fact that people consider that a ninja who is a stealthy assasin could defeat a medieval 'tank' shows just how much TV has destroyed people's brains
seriously i'm worried............
 
Most people think of ninjas as video game super ninjas. Real ninja would lose but are much more cooler.
 
Prince of China said:
If a knight was on the ground, would he be able to get up? Just wondering.
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Yes. Well made plate armour is flexible and balanced enough for some pretty good feats of agility.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Ever fired a dart from a blowpipe? Its not accurate enough to hit a tiny chink, unless you're standing right next to the guy.

-Angry Lawyer
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Yeah, cuz people who use them professionally don't train with them for years to get pin-point accuracy.
:rolleyes:
 
WhiteZero said:
Yeah, cuz people who use them professionally don't train with them for years to get pin-point accuracy.
:rolleyes:
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Theres still things like turbulence to take into account. They're inherantly innacurate.

And yeah, Doom Marine would win.

-Angry Lawyer
 
operative x said:
"The bottom line is that Medieval swords were indeed well-made, light, agile fighting weapons equally capable of delivering dismembering cuts or cleaving deep into body cavities. They were far from the clumsy, heavy things they’re often portrayed as in popular media and far, far more than a mere "club with edges." Interestingly, the weight of katanas compared to longswords is very close with each on average being less than 4 pounds."
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if you do it for 2 hours even your arms weight like they were of steel!

it all depends!! maybe there was rain the previous day and the armor began to rust...maybe the armor had a weak link...maybe the katana was porly made...maybe the samurai has hemeroids...


to tell you the truth a standard katana, with an slightly more powerfull blow can slice trough iron plate armor (if it is of a slightly lower quality)...altough it would damage the blade beyond repair but it would still kill....and yes of course, european blades were also light and tough....i'm telling you from experience...i'm a bladesmith (for 2 years now) and i've cut trough lots of usual materials (wood, metal, plastic,...) with my blades.
and the iron plate armor isn't super thick...i'd say around 3mm max...depends on which part...more modern armor is made with shapes (torso part, neck part, arms,...) that when the blade hits it slides on to another specialy mede part...for instance the torso was made like " _/\_ " so when the sword would hit it wouldn't transmit the force to that area!

it all depends!!
 
AFAIK, I knight had to be able to jump up on their horse without help while wearing articulated full plate. So yeah it was not very cumbersome.
 
john3571000 said:
the fact that people consider that a ninja who is a stealthy assasin could defeat a medieval 'tank' shows just how much TV has destroyed people's brains
seriously i'm worried............
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Dude, in this situation, it might be a challenge for a Ninja to take out the "tank", but it can be done. How is it impossible for a ninja to defeat a knight? Imagining a knight to being a super hero or some shit?

Sure a knight would most likely win in a front to front sword fight, but let's say they're in a forest with lots of foliage, the ninja could just attack from all sides. knock the knight down(yeah yeah even though people say the armor is flexible so the knight could still get up on his own, it'd still take more effort than usual)and stab in an open spot.

Or a ninja could just use his bow and arrow and pierce the knights armor, depending what type of armor he's got on.
 
I don't care how skilled they each are.

A samurai sword isn't going through gothic plate.
 
Top Secret said:
I don't care how skilled they each are.

A samurai sword isn't going through gothic plate.
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and you're an expert, right? :dozey:
 
Why are you all under the impression that Samurai are super-agile ninja-beings who can dodge swords and run up walls?

This is real life, not anime.

WhiteZero said:
Anyway, the japanese samurai devoted their lives to master the art of the sword.
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Knights were ripped from their families at the age of 7 to practice sword fighting, ho is that not devoting their lives to the sword?
 
jverne said:
to tell you the truth a standard katana, with an slightly more powerfull blow can slice trough iron plate armor (if it is of a slightly lower quality)...altough it would damage the blade beyond repair but it would still kill
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"A complete suit of fully articulated rigid plate-armor, which has been described as unequaled in its ingenuity and strength, was nearly resistant to sword blows and required entirely different specialized weapons to effectively defeat it. With its tempered steel and careful curved fluting it was just invulnerable to sword cuts-even those of the exceptionally sharp katana."
 
TheSomeone said:
Knights were ripped from their families at the age of 7 to practice sword fighting, ho is that not devoting their lives to the sword?
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I wasnt implying that knights dont know what their doing.
Samurai train from around that age as well and under similar circumstances.
 
operative x said:
"A complete suit of fully articulated rigid plate-armor, which has been described as unequaled in its ingenuity and strength, was nearly resistant to sword blows and required entirely different specialized weapons to effectively defeat it. With its tempered steel and careful curved fluting it was just invulnerable to sword cuts-even those of the exceptionally sharp katana."
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Katanas arent just used for slashing as well. Their quite effective piercing weapons as well, which is what should be taken into account when trying to get past armor.
 
WhiteZero said:
I wasnt implying that knights dont know what their doing.
Samurai train from around that age as well and under similar circumstances.
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Exactly, so why were you implying that Samurais had the advantage since they devoted their lives to sword fighting?
 
TheSomeone said:
Exactly, so why were you implying that Samurais had the advantage since they devoted their lives to sword fighting?
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Maybe he didn't know that knights train with swords that early of an age?
 
ailevation said:
Maybe he didn't know that knights train with swords that early of an age?
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Speaking from ignorance isn't better than not speaking at all.
 
From your example, if most Knights are forcibly dragged away from their families at such a young age, that would imply them not really wanting to fight at all. I'd think that being put into service against your will wouldent yeild the same effectivness as a warrior who is incredibly proud of their warrior heritage and beliving that their sword (katana) is an extention of their soul.

Just my opinion.

And yes, I was awar that knights train from a young age as well.
-.-

Anyway, arguments like this are completly pointless. It's like saying, "Who would win in Counter-Strike? A USA player as Terrorist or a European player as Counter-Terrorist?" Gah! It comes down to personal skill and the conditions of the battle.

Both from different regions. Both with excellent weapons and armor. ect. ect. ect

It can truly go either way.
 
I'm going with sumarai, because they would use the environment as an advantage
 
:cheers: I feel like watching "The Last Samurai" again.
 
WhiteZero said:
Such a goddamn good movie.
:rolling:
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Watch it together? My house 7 PM. Bring the popcorn, I ran out... don't worry about butter, i've got drinks as well.
 
It's isnt that great. It's good, but doesn't go up to par with, say, Gladiator.
 
BTW... since you guys like quoting that article so much:
As can be seen, there are just far too many variables and unknowns to make a judgment either way for such a theoretical question as who could defeat whom between knights and samurai. The fight cannot be reduced to any generalized statements about who had the overall historical advantage in skill or who had the superior array of arms and armor. In matters like this we certainly cannot not invoke mystical principles or endless “what ifs” and still engage in intelligent conjecture. All we can do is give an opinion of questionable value. Still, it is an intriguing comparison to ponder objectively.
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Quoted for Fuc*ing Truth.

It's isnt that great. It's good, but doesn't go up to par with, say, Gladiator.
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I like LS a bit more than Gladiator. Which is saying alot because Gladiator is a great movie.
 
The Samurai would kick the knight face down into a puddle, and the knight would drown. I know this because my history teacher said so! :D
 
operative x said:
Found a site with a bunch of cool sword fighting videos, im about the check out this one fight where they put a camera in this guys mask so it looks like an FPS sword fight! cant wait for it to finish!
http://www.rsw.com.hk/videos.htm
--> fps video http://www.rsw.com.hk/fps.zip
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Real swordfights are so unexciting :rolleyes:.

It's almost always, swing, miss, jump back and forth, swing, doge, jump around some more, swing, kill. Of course, It's all much more practical and precise than jumping off roofs and flying, but it's not as much a spectator sport.

EDIT: The guy in the 1st person video that doesn't have the camera has no ****ing clue what he's doing. He's out there spinning his blade and dancing like a yoyo and getting owned.
 
One question bigger than Samurai versus Knights is...

Lawyers versus Accountants.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I'd have to say a knight would win, strong armor and a shield that can be used as a weapon aswell as a regular shield would put the samuria at a disadvantage.
 
The Mullinator said:
That is a complete myth:

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Plate-armor for foot combat was well-balanced, maneuverable, and sometimes even made of tempered steel. It was well-suited for fighting in, and is far from the awkward, lumbering cliché presented by Hollywood. Unless you've worn accurate well-made plate of this kind, it is impossible to really know how it influenced the way a knight would move.
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That's true. They improved armor over time. I watched a program on discovery and they said it was impossible for knights to fight on foot - that's why they're always on horses. But it depends on the type of armor. More versatile and lighter types were probably developed later. Anyway you look at it though, the Japanese sword would probably get dull hitting the armor and it's very difficult to find a weak spot. The best strategy is to knock down the knight.
 
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