European Knight vs. Japanese Samurai

[Skaadi]

Knights. To be more specific; French knights. To be even more specific; French knights who own castles in England and fart in people's general direction.

You watch too much Monty Python. :E

 

[Skaadi]

Sparhawk would kick that Samurai's sorry ass.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Obviously it's the European Knight. They have a higher call to duty than wealth and loyalty to a leader, typically they do it for the nation or God, so they're more invigorated to the fight.

They also have superior technology.

 

[WhiteZero]

Obviously it's the European Knight. They have a higher call to duty than wealth and loyalty to a leader, typically they do it for the nation or God, so they're more invigorated to the fight.

They also have superior technology.

Apparently you dont know anything about samurai.
-.-
Big supprise.

The samurai fought for the Emperor whom the reveared as Kami (god).

Also, theres the huge issue for the samurai that if their dishonored in battle, they had to comit sepoku/harikari (suicide). A knight wouldent have to worry about loosing a battle if he lived, just go home and recover. Samurai fought with thier lives, knowing they would not see another day if they were to face defeat.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Apparently you dont know anything about samurai.
-.-
Big supprise.

The samurai fought for the Emperor whom the reveared as Kami (god).

The Samurai truly fought for their Daimyo, for wealth and power.

 

[operative x]

Yeah, it says something like that in the "Special Features" section in the Last Samurai, something about the samurai's joined different clans controlled by warlords (gangs) and that they would do anything for their masters. Samurai were looked at as the "elite" of Japanese society.

 

[WhiteZero]

The Samurai truly fought for their Daimyo, for wealth and power.

If you want to get into then, they fought for the overlord, daimyo, shogun, and at the top the Emperor.
However, their loyalty, with the rest of Japan, always was for the Emperor.

 

[operative x]

Wasn't the emperror just a figurehead? The shogan had the real power.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Regardless of the feelings, to which all you did was make them equal to the Europeans religious inspiration, the European Knights were better outfitted and better at simply overwhelming and destroying entire populaces/armies.

In a battle between an equal number of combined Euro Forces of the time period, and Samurai of the time period, the Euro forces would come out on top. Japan has never defeated a Western opponent.

 

[WhiteZero]

In a battle between an equal number of combined Euro Forces of the time period, and Samurai of the time period, the Euro forces would come out on top. Japan has never defeated a Western opponent.

Hmmmm, I believe this is true. Not sure. Then again, I don't think they've ever clashed before either.

 

[<RJMC>]

my opinion is that the samurai swords are long and if a armoured knight if being hited it will be like be hited whit a bat making the knight loose the balance or something like that and the samurai can get over the knight on the ground and take advantage for that,but I still think that the long samurais sword can be a advantage for the samurai cuz the samurai swords are longer right?and if are longer that give them more range

and if is about a ninja vrs knight sure the ninja will win cuz ninjas are not like hayabusa of ninja gaiden that dodge swords and jumpo around, ninjas are about using the brain and techniques to take down the enemy,for example if you put a ninja agaisnt a knight sure the ninja will do something like grab sand from the ground and trow it to the face and if the knight get dirt in the eyes and it unconcentrate the ninja can take advantage

 

[B.Calhoun]

Ninjas = p u s s y
Samurai = wannabe knight (also p u s s y)
Knight = Sword wielding tank man who slices up little asian men in their spare time.


But, Ive seen some "the katana would break" BS, which is not going to happen. Ive seen a video of where they were shooting a katana with a gun and the bullets didnt leave a mark. I dont think the force of a claymore would break it. Knights would still win though.

 

[Solaris]

Who would win in a fight? Samurai's arn't used to takeing heavy beatings like the English/French knights were, the samurai's are used to doing leathal attacks at very quick speeds with light armor, but i think that if a knight got a huge claymore that the Samurai would just be overwhelmed and loose.

You know nothing about samri, they had VERY heavy Armour.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

You know nothing about samri, they had VERY heavy Armour.

Only when it rained. The armour was designed to be lightweight and flexible, because they valued dexterity.

Unless you mean heavy as in strong. In which case, Plate still beats it.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Knight would pwn samurai up and down the street.

 

[jverne]

Ninjas = p u s s y
Samurai = wannabe knight (also p u s s y)
Knight = Sword wielding tank man who slices up little asian men in their spare time.


But, Ive seen some "the katana would break" BS, which is not going to happen. Ive seen a video of where they were shooting a katana with a gun and the bullets didnt leave a mark. I dont think the force of a claymore would break it. Knights would still win though.

oh indeed...a katana can break...belive me! i saw that movie of the bullet and the sword...you have to know that the bullet is made of lead which is very soft...you can even form it with your bare hands...and the katana was aimed with the edge forward so that it would easily split the bullet! even side way the katana would not break it would just wave very much...but you have to know that there are diffrent forces when two blades hit....it also depends on which part of the blade is hit! a katana is not indestructable you know!

 

[<RJMC>]

why everyone say ninjas are pussy?
in tv and stuff I hav saw that the real ninjas are very diferent from the typical image they hav

 

[Laivasse]

That article that someone posted made the argument a bit more convincing for knights, but I have a feeling the guy was just *slightly* partisan in wanting to defend his medieval and renaissance sword-fighting styles. He makes a good case, but he also made points like "not ALL katanas were well made" and then whenever he would talk about European plate armour he would always talk about it being the highest quality, tempered steel kind.

I think it's close to call, but I'll go for samurai. When all is said and done, I think it's the mentality of the fighters which will play the largest part. And if we're talking about mentality, pious devotion to duty and chivalry (knight) loses against a mentality where death is completely embraced as natural and honourable. Samurai would sometimes kill themselves just to object to an order from their lord if they considered it too disagreeable. As someone stated, dishonour through defeat was anathema to samurai - far worse than death. Some people speculate that this is why the Japanese were so brutal in WW2, since this mentality caused them to think of prisoners (someone alive despite defeat) as inhuman scum. A fighter who completely disregards death has very little to lose, and so has very little to fear - I think this kind of tenet of bushido would just about give a samurai the edge in a 1 on 1 battle.

Also, to people badmouthing ninjas - ninjas ruled! They weren't just stealthmeister pansies, they were trained in many disarmament techniques and had some awesome weapons like the kusarigama (sickle, weight and chain) which probably would have killed people just by looking so damn cool. Plus they were massive religious fanatics, and we all know how dangerous they can be :O

 

[Top Secret]

That article that someone posted made the argument a bit more convincing for knights, but I have a feeling the guy was just *slightly* partisan in wanting to defend his medieval and renaissance sword-fighting styles. He makes a good case, but he also made points like "not ALL katanas were well made" and then whenever he would talk about European plate armour he would always talk about it being the highest quality, tempered steel kind.

While I see your point, you must recognize that it takes far greater skill to craft armor than a sword. Any suit of armor that was created WAS of high quality, or else it was useless.

 

[Prince of China]

Ninjas may not win but they're much more awesome. They actually had giant scissors known as mantohs that they would use to cut off the heads of samurais.

Ninjas = p u s s y
Samurai = wannabe knight (also p u s s y)
Knight = Sword wielding tank man who slices up little asian men in their spare time.


But, Ive seen some "the katana would break" BS, which is not going to happen. Ive seen a video of where they were shooting a katana with a gun and the bullets didnt leave a mark. I dont think the force of a claymore would break it. Knights would still win though.

How were ninjas pussies? They had no protection. They had to use stealth. Samurai and knights were more pussy than ninjas since they had so much armour. If a knight chased a ninja, the ninja would throw makibishi, gun-powered caltrops.

 

[Sulkdodds]

They actually had giant scissors

I want one!

TIME FOR A HAIRCUT, MR KAMIZAKI!

 

[A.I.]

That article is awesome. I think we're too movie influenced to judge reasonably...

 

[vetebulle]

I think a more fair comparison would be that one of a typical late medieval european army vs corresponding japanese army.

If it's just one guy versus another, then chance plays a big role on the outcome. Pit 10 000 people against eachother and the outcome can to some extent be statistically foreseen by including all these variables and probabilities which we have discussed.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Samurai and knights were more pussy than ninjas since they had so much armour.

Ninjas are assasins, not combatants.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[ktimekiller]

a katana is desinged to slash, so it doesnt work against metal case, and a sword, is desinged to stab, and thrust, and such. so a knight would logically win, but as a azn myself.... SAMARI!!!!!!!!

 

[Revisedsoul]

if tom cruise can become a samurai and orlando bloom a knight, neither win.

 

[Da-Muffin-Man]

All it takes is for the knight to lose balance and he is f*cked....those armor suits they wear can be anywhere from 75-150 pounds. If he fell over he would have a hell of a time getting back up, especially with a samurai stabbing him repeatedly