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I thought the Resident Evil comment was pretty stupid, and black Africa as a whole has not changed, but they are trying to modernize. Again, you have to understand the kind of wild place it is. The land is harsh and resources are scarcely available. Higher education is practically non-existent, and people are at war.
 
I start out reading Hool's posts giving him the benefit of the doubt; that he's not racist, just confused and misguided about black people and that maybe if I read on there'll be a well-meaning point buried under there somewhere. Instead, his sentences just smash my face in.

correct.

Hool, you are a racist. Much worse than many of the others here too.

As for all this "why can't I wear white pride shirts and mexicans can wear brown pride shirts? Why?????"

Well, I've got news for you.

The reason:
White people are a majority power. Hispanics and Blacks are minority powers. And no, I am not talking about numbers, I am talking about power and money. Whites are the majority culture in America because we possess all the money, good jobs, and education which Blacks and Hispanics lack. Saying "brown pride" is not equivalent to saying "white pride", because for Hispanics, since they are a minority race, the term would mean pride in their community and culture, and resistance from oppression. "white pride" has an entirely different connotation. Since we are the majority, it means "I am superior to you and proud of it."

Again, to a Hispanic it is saying "Although I am a minority and lack resources, I am not ashamed to be Hispanic."
 
theotherguy, if you apply one standard to another race of people than you do to your own when they do something that would be offending if your own race did it, that's racism.
 
correct.

Hool, you are a racist. Much worse than many of the others here too.

As for all this "why can't I wear white pride shirts and mexicans can wear brown pride shirts? Why?????"

Well, I've got news for you.

The reason:
White people are a majority power. Hispanics and Blacks are minority powers. And no, I am not talking about numbers, I am talking about power and money. Whites are the majority culture in America because we possess all the money, good jobs, and education which Blacks and Hispanics lack. Saying "brown pride" is not equivalent to saying "white pride", because for Hispanics, since they are a minority race, the term would mean pride in their community and culture, and resistance from oppression. "white pride" has an entirely different connotation. Since we are the majority, it means "I am superior to you and proud of it."

Again, to a Hispanic it is saying "Although I am a minority and lack resources, I am not ashamed to be Hispanic."

I really don't see the difference between the two. Just because the Mexicans don't have the power and influence of whites doesn't mean they don't have delusions of superiority, just as some whites have delusions of superiority. It really just boils down to the people wearing it, and most of them that wear those things DO have those sentiments. "White pride" has gotten a far more negative connotation thanks to trash like the KKK and neo-Nazi groups, but at its core is no different than "Brown Power", "Black Power", etc., because all are on some level promoting the so-called "superiority" of that race.

The stereotype that "whites have all the power and all the money" is a typically liberal one, and completely false. If you spent some time in the southern US, you'd see that in many cases whites have less influence than Hispanics, such as here in El Paso.

But hey, that's just my take on things.
 
I watched a show on HBO called bullsh*t about race and reparations. It had one black guy on there who was, in my opinion, racist as anything. He felt that the white community owed the black community money because of what their ancestors did. Went on about how blacks shouldn't pay taxes for a number of years, which really made no sense. If a company or person refuses to pay for work to be done, the grandson or granddaughter cannot simply say, "you didn't pay my grandfather for work he did, pay me instead". It would be rediculous to think ANY company or organization would even think of doing that.

I agree that there should be no difference between pride in your race whether you are black, white, chinese, mexican, japanese, or any other race. Even though whites are the majority does NOT mean that if the people have pride in their race they feel or think they are above everyone else. Other races may think or feel that they feel the white is above said race, but it does not make it true. I feel strongly that the current generation of any race is only responsible for what they did in their generation. For example, the current generation of white americans cannot be responsible or held accountable for mistakes or unlawfulness of 3 generations prior to theirs. It would be like my elderly neighbor demanding I pay him to rebuild a fence my grandfather burned 50 years ago. Of course I wouldn't pay for the fence, someone else did the deed.
 
I watched a show on HBO called bullsh*t about race and reparations. It had one black guy on there who was, in my opinion, racist as anything. He felt that the white community owed the black community money because of what their ancestors did. Went on about how blacks shouldn't pay taxes for a number of years, which really made no sense. If a company or person refuses to pay for work to be done, the grandson or granddaughter cannot simply say, "you didn't pay my grandfather for work he did, pay me instead". It would be rediculous to think ANY company or organization would even think of doing that.

I agree that there should be no difference between pride in your race whether you are black, white, chinese, mexican, japanese, or any other race. Even though whites are the majority does NOT mean that if the people have pride in their race they feel or think they are above everyone else. Other races may think or feel that they feel the white is above said race, but it does not make it true. I feel strongly that the current generation of any race is only responsible for what they did in their generation. For example, the current generation of white americans cannot be responsible or held accountable for mistakes or unlawfulness of 3 generations prior to theirs. It would be like my elderly neighbor demanding I pay him to rebuild a fence my grandfather burned 50 years ago. Of course I wouldn't pay for the fence, someone else did the deed.
There was a big thing similar to this a few months ago in the UK, where this black preacher demanded Bristol apologise for it's involvement in the slave trade and also wanted reparations to be paid to the Black community in Bristol.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1769448,00.html

It is absolutely ludicrous, why should an entire city apologise just because it was a major port back then? Why do today's generation need to apologise again and again for the actions of our ancestors? Just goes to show how batshit insane PC has gotten these days, especially when a certain ethnic group attempts to profit from indirect discrimination.
 
so germans shouldnt apologise to jews for gassing them to death/turning a blind eye to their barbaric treatment?

the government shouldnt make amends for the deplorable treatment of native americans?

the US shouldnt apologise for turning a blind eye to lynching?


why is that apologies should only be made in cases that dont involve race?


at what point are groups supposed to take responsibility for their actions? I'm not saying every single white person needs to apologise to the first black person they see however I see nothing wrong with governments apologising even if the crimes happened long before anyone currently in power was born


edit: it has NOTHING to do with being politically correct but rather making amends and mending burnt bridges
 
so germans shouldnt apologise to jews for gassing them to death/turning a blind eye to their barbaric treatment?



the government shouldnt make amends for the deplorable treatment of native americans?

the US shouldnt apologise for turning a blind eye to lynching?


why is that apologies should only be made in cases that don't involve race?


at what point are groups supposed to take responsibility for their actions? I'm not saying every single white person needs to apologise to the first black person they see however I see nothing wrong with governments apologising even if the crimes happened long before anyone currently in power was born


edit: it has NOTHING to do with being politically correct but rather making amends and mending burnt bridges

It's in the past - why should I continually say how sorry I was for something I didn't do, didn't want to happen, and had no control over?
Yeah, it was a bad thing to happen. It's over, now, though, so get over it people, please.
 
so germans shouldnt apologise to jews for gassing them to death/turning a blind eye to their barbaric treatment?

the government shouldnt make amends for the deplorable treatment of native americans?

the US shouldnt apologise for turning a blind eye to lynching?

Why should today's generation apologise for something they had no direct involvement with? By that logic I should march over to Italy right now and demand an apology for the time my great grandfather was blown up in a tank during WW2. And then I'll catch a train to Berlin and ask Germany to apologise for starting the whole mess... oh and then we'll sneak in a quick 'Sorry' for the millions of Jews slaughtered during the Holocaust. Wait, then I'll demand apologies for their involvement in the Norman conquests. A fat load of good that'll do right?

Or how about we all learn from past atrocities via museums, literature, documentaries, memorial days and develop understanding and knowledge so that these events never occur again? By maintaining a sense of neutrality from all sides this is clearly the best way to go.

CptStern said:
edit: it has NOTHING to do with being politically correct but rather making amends and mending burnt bridges

Of course it does. With constant pressure to make everyone as equal and as PC as possible there will always be those who attempt to take advantage of this by trying to milk apologies and royalties from past events, such as the Bristol scenario.
 
Especially when the people who weren't even alive back then ask for reparations and apologies.
 
so germans shouldnt apologise to jews for gassing them to death/turning a blind eye to their barbaric treatment?

No. Not that a "sorry we gassed you" would be any good.

the government shouldnt make amends for the deplorable treatment of native americans?

They should be given what is still rightfully theirs, but not in an apologetic way that comes forth out of some retarded sense of guilt for something no one alive had any involvement in.

the US shouldnt apologise for turning a blind eye to lynching?

If those responsible are still alive, sure.

why is that apologies should only be made in cases that dont involve race?

Well, they shouldn't.

at what point are groups supposed to take responsibility for their actions?

When they're still alive? Yeah.. that would be a good one wouldn't it?

I'm not saying every single white person needs to apologise to the first black person they see however I see nothing wrong with governments apologising even if the crimes happened long before anyone currently in power was born

How is the latter any different from the former? You don't want me, who had nothing to do with slavery, to apologize to a black person, who had nothing to do with slavery, but you do want a government that has nothing to do with slavery apologize to an ethnic group (specifically which one btw?) that have nothing to do with slavery? Not to mention those black people alive today wouldn't be here without slavery so you're pretty much saying "sorry you're alive".

edit: it has NOTHING to do with being politically correct but rather making amends and mending burnt bridges

Of course it has everything to do with being politically correct, the only reason why apologizing to someone who had nothing to do with what you're apologizing for, would cross your mind when you had nothing to do with it either is some sense of misguided guilt and tip-toeing around people's feelings.

It shouldn't be a "hey sorry for doing that to you eventhough we didn't actually do it to you" but a "hey fuck, lets not let that ever happen again". The former accomplishes nothing.
 
No. Not that a "sorry we gassed you" would be any good.

I'm sure the jewish community would appreciate it



They should be given what is still rightfully theirs,

you mean they should be given all of north america back

but not in an apologetic way that comes forth out of some retarded sense of guilt for something no one alive had any involvement in.

why is it always guilt? how can a goverment thats made up of hundreds if not thousands of people feel collective guilt? it should be done as reparations to those who were affected ..in the case of slavery, it's all black people in general ..why is this a bad thing?



If those responsible are still alive, sure.

why? it was the government not just individuals




Well, they shouldn't.

so in other words fcuk responsibility for past deeds ..we should ignore the past because it's n the past?



When they're still alive? Yeah.. that would be a good one wouldn't it?

that absolutely never happens because that would be admitting a culpability ..governments dont willingly apologise for current atrocities ..they wait a generation or two



How is the latter any different from the former?

you're not a representative of the government, one who's policies led to the crimes in the first place

You don't want me, who had nothing to do with slavery, to apologize to a black person, who had nothing to do with slavery, but you do want a government that has nothing to do with slavery apologize to an ethnic group (specifically which one btw?) that have nothing to do with slavery? Not to mention those black people alive today wouldn't be here without slavery so you're pretty much saying "sorry you're alive".

yes I'm sure they're glad there were slaves because without slavery they wouldnt be around ..that makes no sense because that can be said about pretty much any circumstance ...again individuals dont apologise the GOVERNMENT does ..for example Bush being the representative of americans would make the apology on behalf of the government



Of course it has everything to do with being politically correct, the only reason why apologizing to someone who had nothing to do with what you're apologizing for, would cross your mind when you had nothing to do with it either is some sense of misguided guilt and tip-toeing around people's feelings.

again please explain how an entire government can collectively have feelings of guilt ..they're righting a wrong y saying "hey what we did way back when was wrong" nothing more


It shouldn't be a "hey sorry for doing that to you eventhough we didn't actually do it to you" but a "hey fuck, lets not let that ever happen again". The former accomplishes nothing.

so the US shouldnt apologise every time foreign soldiers are killed by friendly fire? (I'm going to use Canada as an example as we've had quite a few friendly fire casualties caused by americans in afghanistan) it should be up to the individuals responsible? what about the other 30 million affected by the deaths of soldiers representing all 30 million citizens? dont they need to hear the apology? wouldnt that go a long way in making amends? if not then why does the US apologise every single time they kill our soldiers?
 
I'm sure the jewish community would appreciate it

Or find it extremely condescending and procrastinated.

'Gee here's your apology 63 years late, sorry about that! We really mean it though. Honest!'

CptStern said:
why is it always guilt? how can a goverment thats made up of hundreds if not thousands of people feel collective guilt? it should be done as reparations to those who were affected ..in the case of slavery, it's all black people in general ..why is this a bad thing?

...so you want reparations to be paid to every black person on the planet. Oh god.

CptStern said:
why? it was the government not just individuals

Yes, the government which was made up of those individuals. During that era, therefore holding no relevance now.

CptStern said:
so in other words fcuk responsibility for past deeds ..we should ignore the past because it's n the past?

Not at all, but forcing responsibility onto those not even responsible via the means of an apology and reparations is absurd.

CptStern said:
that absolutely never happens because that would be admitting a culpability ..governments dont willingly apologise for current atrocities ..they wait a generation or two

So if they are so eager to abstain from apologising now, why bother apologising at all? Instead of delegating all of the responsibility onto future generations? Delegation just proves a reluctance to apologise in the first place, making any apology in the future a fraudulent and empty one.

CptStern said:
so the US shouldnt apologise every time foreign soldiers are killed by friendly fire? (I'm going to use Canada as an example as we've had quite a few friendly fire casualties caused by americans in afghanistan) it should be up to the individuals responsible? what about the other 30 million affected by the deaths of soldiers representing all 30 million citizens? dont they need to hear the apology? wouldnt that go a long way in making amends? if not then why does the US apologise every single time they kill our soldiers?

Because your supposedly meant to be allies? Not that makes any difference anyway, as you show every day with your anti-American ramblings.
 
Or find it extremely condescending and procrastinated.

'Gee here's your apology 63 years late, sorry about that! We really mean it though. Honest!'

which is worse than offering no apology at all ...right





...so you want reparations to be paid to every black person on the planet. Oh god.

point out exactly where I say this



Yes, the government which was made up of those individuals. During that era, therefore holding no relevance now.

they're not apologizing on behalf of those people they're apologising on behalf of the government, there's a distinct difference between the two



Not at all, but forcing responsibility onto those not even responsible via the means of an apology and reparations is absurd.

wtf who is forcing what? when did the US government send out notices to every single white person in america saying they had to apologise to black folk on an individual basis ..every last one of them, ffs? it was government initiated THEY decided to make apologies, it doesnt come from the public sector as the public in general cannot directly decree anything on behalf of the government ..your leaps of logic make no sense and are just meant to inflame



So if they are so eager to abstain from apologising now, why bother apologising at all?

you miss the point, why would they apologise if they're the ones that committed the offenses in the first place?

Instead of delegating all of the responsibility onto future generations? Delegation just proves a reluctance to apologise in the first place, making any apology in the future a fraudulent and empty one.

that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever ..why the hell would they knowingly leave it to future generations? what are you saying here, that they store away some document that instructs future generations to apologise but not in their name? that's a ludicrous suggestion



Because your supposedly meant to be allies? Not that makes any difference anyway, as you show every day with your anti-American ramblings.

what? did you misreply or something? because that makes no sense, what does that have to do with what I said?
 
I think some kind of reparations should be offered. Instead of giving each black person a check for however much money I think a good start would be to instead invest as much money as possible in to black neighborhoods and schools.

It's pretty obvious that many if not most of the problems poor blacks face in this country is that their education is totally ****ed up. The white school I went to had fancy new computers every other year, great education programs, awesome yearly field trips, a lot of sports and other outside of school activities. You go to a black school in poor neighborhoods and its like you stepped into a prison, complete with metal detectors, cameras all around, and a building that is probably being held up with scotch tape.

Then again I don't know that this would be a form of reparations as this should be something that is standard. I don't see why my school was so over funded when there are schools in this same city that are totally underfunded.
 
hool10 doesnt care for black people.

Fixed.

I hate rappers and ghetto f*cks. Does this make me racist if most of those two types of people are black?

Also, something interesting happened to my hometown in the last few years. Specifically the middle and high schools I went to. I lived in West Hartford, which was... well... west of Hartford. Hartford was (is?) the poorest city in the nation, and a lot of black people live there. West Hartford is a suburb with a diverse population of whites, hispanics, blacks, asians etc. West Hartford was a nice and safe area. Hartford is a scary dangerous area.

My middle and high school were open to resident of West Hartford only for awhile, with Hartford getting their own schools. When Bush did that No Child Left Behind thing, several schools in Hartford were shut down. West Hartford schools had to deal with the city kids now.

Now, I graduated during this transition, and while I went to a local college, I noticed some major changes. Crime has shot up into record numbers for our town. Property values were going up thanks to our excellent school systems, but now they are dropping. The middle school had to install metal detectors, because a bunch of their students had been stabbed, shot or killed. My parents became really scared for my brother who was in the school at the time, and things are only getting worse for them. Just last month, one of my brothers friends, and another person who was my cousins friend were shot and killed.

Conclusion: Based on the fact that black people were in West Hartford before this, and nothing happened until the poor people were shoved into our school system, its not black people who **** things up and act stupid, its poor people.
 
As long as you have at least one black friend, you're good.
 
This make not make alot of sense but whatever:

Uhmm, rap has gone to the gutter. Rap has alot of influence on the black people. I guess people feel that they can relate more... I will examine this later. I am partically black, but I see myself kind of as John Locke would put it: a blank slate/tabula rasa. I believe in what he said, how the environment will ultimately shape our psychological understandings of the society around us... maybe the black nation can take a few lessons from Rousseau's Emile but we all know how ironic that is, I kind of agree with Karl Jaspers: that we as a human race we ultimately determine our own future despite the society. I think a majority of problems white people may have against blacks stem from the simple fact that we are different, and some of our parents may have instilled this into us. I think in about ten or so years black people wil gain more prominent positions in society and the clashes will ease. I live in Florida so sometimes the racial spectrum here is pretty nasty.

Back on topic though, rap has gone to shit. Rap used to really be about the black struggle in society, what was really going through the head of a typical black adolescence. Seriously listen to some Tupac, and you will probably find out that you have alot in common, or have faced some of the same trials, where you may have wanted to kill yourself but the thought tears flowing from the eyes of your mother stopped you. Or even the early Wu Tang clan, where they told "it" like it was. Rza, the lead rapper in the group, aka the Abbott, has a book out about Wu Tang, and their ideology. He is a really brilliant man, for example he applied Machiavelian Principles to the music industry to secure somewhat of a monopoly over a vast majority of individual music houses. I see if these black people can rise out from poverty and make something out of their lives anyone can. Even study the great contemporary mathematician/physicist Arlie Petters, who came from absolute poverty, and now is pretty well off.

In closing, to me society is what keeps the label of the black man being some savage like animal. Oonly time will fix this.
 
This make not make alot of sense but whatever:

Boy you just know the post is going to be bad when your first sentence (explaining that your post may not make sense) doesn't even make sense.
 
Boy you just know the post is going to be bad when your first sentence (explaining that your post may not make sense) doesn't even make sense.

Don't be an asshole. :rolleyes:

nofx, I completely agree with you that rap music has turned to shit but I think it is way too easy to blame everything on it. Rap music is the not cause of what is going on, if you ignore the fact that most of it is now commercialized to the point where its only goal is to make money its more of a symphtom of what goes on in these poor communities.
 
Anyone else wondering why this ignorant misguided human being basically got 9 days of bump after bump amounting to 7 pages of psychotherapy?? Honestly, why bother????
 
The racism at Halflifef2.net is alarming. I'm ashamed.
Damn Straight. I think the blatant racism is bad obviously, but then so is the 'pseudoracism' used satirically by people that don't consider themselves racist (family guy style), which is gaining frightening popularity. I can see it might be quite fun, being rebellious about the uber-PC system (UK esp.) and all but just remember you're still thinking in the 'Us and Them' mentality which contributed to years of segragation. It ****s me right off it does, when I see some shock factor comedy racism which sticks in my mind and then associate that with anyone who corresponds to the subject of the 'comedy'. I will admit, however, that's partly down to how easily influenced I can be.
Now I think about it, I might delete all the family Guy episodes off my computer.
 
It is unfortunate that many blacks, as a result of circumstance, culture, and lack of ambition, are stuck in the lower echelon of our society.
 
You're stupid for even saying that. The reason that they talk like they do or have the education level that they do is NOT because of their ethnicity. It is purely a result of the poverty/class level that they live in. If a white or hispanic or asian person were raised in the same environment, you will see the same results (and we do too, ie wiggers).

We all have our own way of speaking, and its based on where we live and who we are surrounded by. Take New Jersey for example: They all have their annoying accent and probably dress/act weird in other people's eyes, but it doesn't have anything to do with their ethnicity/race.

Well tehsolace i really don't approve ur comment because that is the perfect way to someone become a scumbag believe me if people doesn't try to make the change they will became a scumbag because of the environment because of the friends and the all story begins of because of others.. has we know, humans have the need to have a relationship but if we do things because of the others. We never will change. We will be the best assholes of the world and that is why if u talk to some nigga and tell him what hool10 said at 1rst post u would probably get smacked on ur face or never get understand ed. Well im white and im like Nemesis6 said about now the racism: "It's a kind of positive racism". I can't say im a racist because its illegal and i don't act like a racist i'm just like what someones said ignore them like political lol and that is it.. Hooligan10 doesn't understand them..he want to kill them all that is why!... its on his nick.. dam hooligan :p:borg: Anyway, they exist and we have to accustom to that, and that is life.. and life sucks, and welcome to the jungle.
Damn ngrs.
In Portugal, let them build ghetto.
should put all dem naggers on a boat and send them to africa.
Stern every single time there's an incident where a black person gets the shit end of the stick you always seem to be the first one yelling "racism! racism! whiteys fault! whitey's fault!". It's almost as if you sit and wait for these things to happen then come running waving the race card in the air hoping to stir up as much shit as possible. And here you are again calling people racist, implying things, putting down my post because it doesn't share the same opinion as yours. What are you trying to do here, kiss the NAACPs ass? Believe it or not, anti-white racism exists!! And I don't know where you get the idea that every white person who discusses race issues is a racist unless they side with ****ing Al Sharpton or the NAACP because thats what it seems like you're implying every time this topic comes up.
Well that is why black people is more racist then the white..
That depends on how you look at it... Problem is being gay is a choice, race isn't. So you can argue that you shouldn't be proud of your race, etc, because you have no control over it.
It MIGHT just be a harmless t-shirt, but it might also be an indicator of a mindset.
Well that is like scumbag, they dont born a assholes they learn how to be an assholes no one born to be gay they just like to be it right? So dont be nigga be white!

I live near Lowell, MA. I was brought up learning that we lived on the other side of the railroad tracks. There is a railroad station where I live too. Once you cross that line, there is a long strectch of road. You then hit a junk yard where the sewage treatment plant is. All the Mexicans work outside while their bosses are inside handling the cash register. Also a plant called "Corenko" (think that's how it's spelt) that is near there. They supposidly get animal fat and other shit and let it rot in the sun. That lovely smell just wafts all around that long stretch of road. Do watch out for any Puerto Rican coming out of the junk yard with his car that looks like it was built in the junkyard. I understand that nobody can afford a nice BMW (nor do I have one) but these cars are pure shit. You have to watch out for them too because they just cut you off.

So your following this car to Lowell and there are cops on this long stretch of road. They know people love to show off their Hondas. The more closer you get to Lowell the faster the road gets worst. In other words, you crossed the train tracks, i.e. the line. There is pot holes everywhere and it's highly congested. The highway that surrounds Lowell makes you feel like your in the Baha 500. When going over a bridge it get's highly dangerous as you literally smash into the potholes. They have a major problem with Cambodian gangs over there. When I worked at Jiffy Lube in Lowell, my assistant manager was nearly shot while everybody nearly witnessed it. Another of my co-workers nearly stabbed him the following week. A cop saw this too and asked one of us "should I break up these two?" The co-worker was then re-hired because he said in essence "sorry". I also had a "friend" there (not really) and said he was part of a gang (looked like a crack head too).

Everybody gives you a look of "are you going to pull out a gun or are you here to steal something?" And yet I made lot's of friend's at that place. Yes they made fun of themselves, and yes we were all racist. In fact I called the place "ghetto lube" and the pizza guy across the street would come over weekly to show us the newest pirated movies he had. I once said that they should feature Lowell, MA in a GTA game. My co-workers broke open a box of beers and started to just drink them one afternoon and some even started smoking pot. Everybody in Lowell has a Honda, Puerto Rican music thumping in the car, a whiny exhaust, plastic spinners, and plastic wings. If they don't, it's a black SUV with spinners on them. When you go into little Italy in Boston you get a feeling that they really don't care about you.

If you go to China town you deffinitaly get the feeling people are watching you. If any of you ever lived near a city you would know what I'm talking about. And frankly I don't give a shit if you think I'm racist or not. Nor do I think I'm a wigger who has it tough. It's just that MA is a completely shitty state and NH just uses us for jobs.
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