Yes, they are definitely great games (until X), but the controls and hours and hours of level-grinding and random battling are better suited for consoles that's all. You don't usually encounter that sort of thing (to that extent) in PC rpgs.2Fast4U said:
Not true. Just buy a gamepad for $40. They all steal the layout from the PS2 controller anyway. I played through FF8 on an emulator on my PC using a gamepad.VictimOfScience said:
I am just more used to the relatively mindless level-grinding being left to the consoles and couches. Mind you, I love Dragon Warrior 8 (to cite an example) and its ridiculous amount of this sort of thing, but I don't know why anyone would play it on a PC, unless of course, they didn't have a console, but what manner of RPG gamer doesn't have a console as well?!StardogChampion said:
Yes, but the MMORPG era came long after the mindless level-grinding on the NES and so on. Of course, its quite possible that you are too young to remember those good old days, but they are certainly fondly-remembered by me.OCybrManO said:
Does the NES (which I remember vividly) having some games with grinding make the current console games have more grinding than PC MMORPGs? No. It changes nothing. Arcades used to be where everyone went to play games... but that has no effect on the demise of the arcade in the current market. The past is not the present. The current situation is that PC MMORPGs completely destroy the modern console RPGs in terms of the amount of grinding. They don't even have to have deep, interesting stories to make keep people doing the grinding and paying the monthly fees... the players entertain themselves with guilds, PvP, collecting items, etc. MMORPGs are like shallow, boring, multiplayer cousins of console RPGs where you have to make your own fun.VictimOfScience said:
Hahaha! I agree! MMORPGs are shallow and boring realms where you must make your own fun! The devs don't have to be too bothered with it. Console RPGs give your player character more of a sense of purpose and direction and involvement with the story.OCybrManO said:
Accept what? As for most of that post, that's basically the stuff I've been saying for a while now. The only part I disagree with is the ludicrous claim that modern Final Fantasy games require more work than MMORPGs. You must be joking... because that would require stringing together several Final Fantasy games. For example, I beat Final Fantasy X in less than a week... whereas I played World of Warcraft twice as often for like three months straight before I finally quit (they recently added more to the game)... and I left WoW with very little satisfaction. Near the end, the grinding between levels was almost taking as much time as some whole games. You keep thinking there will be something to reward all the work you put into it... but when you get to the top you think, "I wasted all that time for this?"
What rewards do you get with MMORPGs? Where's the end? What's the point? I guess if you think of MMORPGs in the same way you think of Counter-Strike, then I suppose its virtually endless entertainment, albeit sometimes repetitive entertainment. I dunno. Enjoy your grinding--however you get it done! :cheers:OCybrManO said:
VictimOfScience said:
What do you have that is causing FF7 to not run for you? Your sound card not support midi or something?Homless Snark said:
_Z_Ryuken said:What do you have that is causing FF7 to not run for you? Your sound card not support midi or something?
As far as the discussion here, I cannot stand mmorpg level grinding. I started and stopped with Diablo 2, and I never completed LoD. That has to be the most boring shit I have ever experienced.
Chrono Trigger on the other hand, I've put well over 200 hours into over the past 10 years and I still don't feel done. I imagine I'll put another 20 on this year for the sake of unlocking what goodies (beastiary, etc) are left in the PSOne version.
I am a hardcore SF fanperson.kupoartist said:Depends. If you know about recent Street Fighter games, your knowledge exceeds mine
