FIREFOX 3 is OUT!

[PvtRyan]

Good lawd, you're retarded Stardog.

Druckles was talking about IE7, you know, the successor to IE6.

I like how you declare your personal preference on how the 'go' button should work a part of 'basic usability'. I'd call keeping an interface as clutterfree as possible a part of basic usability, removing buttons that are not used in the current context (outside of rare situations, but apparently it happens thousands of times a day to you that you want to refresh a page using the go button). I'd call having only one button to refresh a page a part of basic usability, as opposed to two buttons of which one in a certain context does something slightly different.

Either way, it's a huge non-issue and you seem to grasp onto it to separate yourself from the 'sheeple' that all use Firefox like an angsty teenager.

 

[StardogChampion]

Good lawd, you're retarded Stardog.

Druckles was talking about IE7, you know, the successor to IE6.

I like how you declare your personal preference on how the 'go' button should work a part of 'basic usability'. I'd call keeping an interface as clutterfree as possible a part of basic usability, removing buttons that are not used in the current context (outside of rare situations, but apparently it happens thousands of times a day to you that you want to refresh a page using the go button). I'd call having only one button to refresh a page a part of basic usability, as opposed to two buttons of which one in a certain context does something slightly different.

Either way, it's a huge non-issue and you seem to grasp onto it to separate yourself from the 'sheeple' that all use Firefox like an angsty teenager.

I'm not grasping onto it. The first 10 posts were trying to explain to these dimwits (who thought we were talking about typing in URL's then pressing enter) what the whole issue was.

I'm just replying to people who're more crazed about the whole issue than I am, and were the first to pull out the insults, which you continued, you moron.

 

[Druckles]

You browse websites with your keyboard do you?

Yes. I do. It's far quicker. Would you like a few hints in shortcuts?

Ctrl+W, Ctrl+E, Ctrl+L, Ctrl+Tab. All useful.

Ah, so you're a sheep that went with Firefox because it was the popular choice, when Opera has been the successor for ages before Firefox.

I'd like you to know I've been using Firefox for years. There are reasons I'd rather not use Opera. To be frank, if I were going for "popular" or "setting a trend", I'd go for something like Flock, or Opera.

There's no point in you arguing. When something flies in the face of basic usability (something I'd know about being a graphic designer, using 5+ browsers per day), then there's no way you can be right.

...

No. :|

Fuck no.

(something I'd know about being a graphic designer, using 5+ browsers per day)

I don't think you would do. Being a "Graphic Designer" as you say, you'd likely have no clue how a browser works or give a flying fuck on how different browsers display things. As someone how actually produces websites, I think I have more of a right to complain at how a browser works or doesn't work than a "graphics designer" who's probably ignorant to how hard the developer has to work to get it right.

Try a dictionary.

Wtf. Do you actually do anything as a graphics designer? You do know what a customer is, right?

I love change. When the changes move something forward, instead of backward. Pointless changes are useless, especially when it requires addons/mods to fix.

"Fix". Hm. Fix an issue which we've already determined isn't a problem. It was removed for a reason, and you're the only one on the whole damn forum who's complaining about it. It was unnecessary and a waste of space.

 

[CyberPitz]

Man, people fighting over the useless button that was "GO"
Woooo, an addon fixed it, shut the **** up.

 

[StardogChampion]

I don't think you would do. Being a "Graphic Designer" as you say, you'd likely have no clue how a browser works or give a flying fuck on how different browsers display things. As someone how actually produces websites, I think I have more of a right to complain at how a browser works or doesn't work than a "graphics designer" who's probably ignorant to how hard the developer has to work to get it right.

Actually, I'm one of those graphic designers that has the talent for more than one thing. That includes CSS/XHTML standard compliant code being compatible with all browsers, as well as print work. So I'm pretty sure I know more about accessibility and usability than you do.

See - http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2592191&postcount=191. I was one of the few complaining about the new site design.

Now go to sleep.

 

[99.vikram]

Wow. Instead of arguing security, standards compliance and new features you people argue over a 'go' button that was redundant to begin with... :/

 

[joule]

Koroush Ghazi just released his Mozilla Firefox 3 tweakguide. I suggest all of you give it a good read.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Firefox_1.html

 

[Fliko]

I'd like you to know I've been using Firefox for years. There are reasons I'd rather not use Opera. To be frank, if I were going for "popular" or "setting a trend", I'd go for something like Flock, or Opera.

Whoa whoa whoa! What the **** are you smoking?
Firefox is clearly more popular than ANY browser out there.

You were going for the "popular trend", as did many other people, and those people found out they liked Firefox. No matter what you say, not matter what reason, you did go for the popular trend just like everyone else. That's not a bad thing, and this "popular trend" was a very good thing for internet browsing. The internet browser is all about preference, but honestly I feel like smashing something to pieces everytime I hear people brag about how Firefox is the fastest browser in the world. I know Firefox 2 and under were fairly slow, infact I believe it was slower then IE6, but it would show you the website as it rendered it.
Maybe Firefox 3 is faster, but with my experiences on the Firefox 3 beta, nothing beats Opera.

I don't think you would do. Being a "Graphic Designer" as you say, you'd likely have no clue how a browser works or give a flying **** on how different browsers display things. As someone how actually produces websites, I think I have more of a right to complain at how a browser works or doesn't work than a "graphics designer" who's probably ignorant to how hard the developer has to work to get it right.

Since when do you have to know how a browser works to be a Graphics Designer? Web Browsers are made for the CONSUMER not the WEB DESIGNER. Everyone who ever uses a browser has a right to complain about it, the topic just changes, and quite frankly, if the web designer followed all the standards for scripting, then you usually don't have too much trouble with most browsers. (Mind you IE6's lack of following the scripting standards does tend to be a bitch.)

 

[Yorick]

Firefox 3 keeps crashing for me. Frequently. Particularly on Facebook. Solid update otherwise, but goddamn is that pissing me off.

 

[VirusType2]

I'd uninstall it and then re-install it - first thing to try, trust. make sure you got 3.0.exe

For me, it never crashed even the betas or RC

 

[Druckles]

Whoa whoa whoa! What the **** are you smoking?
Firefox is clearly more popular than ANY browser out there.

Actually, IE as a whole is much more "popular".

You were going for the "popular trend", as did many other people, and those people found out they liked Firefox. No matter what you say, not matter what reason, you did go for the popular trend just like everyone else. That's not a bad thing, and this "popular trend" was a very good thing for internet browsing. The internet browser is all about preference, but honestly I feel like smashing something to pieces everytime I hear people brag about how Firefox is the fastest browser in the world. I know Firefox 2 and under were fairly slow, infact I believe it was slower then IE6, but it would show you the website as it rendered it.

I wasn't arguing that I didn't go for a browser that was becoming popular, I was arguing:

Ah, so you're a sheep that went with Firefox because it was the popular choice, when Opera has been the successor for ages before Firefox.

That I didn't chose Firefox because it "looked cool".

Maybe Firefox 3 is faster, but with my experiences on the Firefox 3 beta, nothing beats Opera.

Suit yourself, I never liked Opera

Since when do you have to know how a browser works to be a Graphics Designer? Web Browsers are made for the CONSUMER not the WEB DESIGNER. Everyone who ever uses a browser has a right to complain about it, the topic just changes

You have to know an awful lot about how an internet browser works when you're developing a website. It's IE6 that I'm talking about in particular when it comes to this. Yes, the browsers are developed for the customer, but the web designers have to design for them. The consumers have a right to complain about how a browser works, but more often than not, they'll complain that it's the website that doesn't work. You start to realise how ignorant your consumer base is when get to work with them closely in trying to fix the issues. It's quite enlightening, actually.

quite frankly, if the web designer followed all the standards for scripting, then you usually don't have too much trouble with most browsers. (Mind you IE6's lack of following the scripting standards does tend to be a bitch.)

This is exactly what I'm referring to. IE6 follows so few standards, it's unbelievable, and the fact that it holds such a high market share after so long and after being deprecated and succeeded by Internet Explorer just makes it worse. Sure, it's possible to make things work in IE6, and a lot of things will comply easily enough, but as soon as you start trying to do something specific, it will immediately fall apart. It's not just me who hates IE6 with a passion, there are thousands of other people out there who despise its guts. I'm just the one that gets riled up.

Wow. Instead of arguing security, standards compliance and new features you people argue over a 'go' button that was redundant to begin with... :/

That's because there's absolutely nothing wrong with those features. Which was exactly my point :|

And Stardog, you just sound incredibly ignorant now. I can't even be arsed arguing with your "I are greater than thou because I can say so over the internet... lol."

 

[Barney Fife]

And Druckles answers anyone who may have tightened shoelaces wrongly gay skipping with a lollipop.

I "myself" am sucker for IE. I've tried to cheat but I can't for the love I have for my IE.
Sure Opera and or FF may be better than IE but IE is damn hot. Think of it as the uni-brow wife vs Paris Hilton; one knows how to cook and clean and the other is a slut.

Barney rests case.

 

[The Monkey]

IE is still by far the most popular browser, but Firefox is gaining ground (and has been for years):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

 

[Druckles]

Yeah, those statistics are slightly out of date. IE's market share has dropped significantly. A small rectitude.

And what about skipping wrongly with a gay lollipop?

 

[StardogChampion]

And Stardog, you just sound incredibly ignorant now. I can't even be arsed arguing with your "I are greater than thou because I can say so over the internet... lol."

What, because you assumed I had no web design experience when I actually have more than you do?

 

[Raziaar]

I'd say IE is mostly popular by default. Most of the people who use it don't know better quite likely.

I'd bet the number of devoted fans of Firefox vs Internet Explorer is higher, if you don't count the people who use IE simply because that's the browser that came with their computer.

 

[cjohnson]

Seconded Raziaar, micro$oft thinks most of us are stupid and that we will use an uncompliant browser. On the other hand, IE8 beta is much more compliant and passes the acid2 test, but Opera still owns for standards. 83/100 on acid3.

 

[VirusType2]

Anyone know of something to increase the size of the 'x' to close tabs? FF3?

not sure why they made them so small even though there is plenty of border. It's not like I would close them on accident, and even If I did, I could recall the last open tab.

 

[Operational]

^ Use middle mouse click.

 

[VirusType2]

you can close with that? Ok. don't have a middle mouse button, i've got a wheel, but I have buttons on the side of my mouse I can customize and I didn't have middle mouse set. I'll do that. great thanks!

edit - actually the mouse wheel is also a button. works fine, thanks


hmm. It stopped working. the middle button isn't closing the tabs any more. uyy It only closes them if there is nothing in the tab. for example if I open a new tab but do not load any page

 

[Barney Fife]

you can close with that? Ok. don't have a middle mouse button, i've got a wheel, but I have buttons on the side of my mouse I can customize and I didn't have middle mouse set. I'll do that. great thanks!

edit - actually the mouse wheel is also a button. works fine, thanks


hmm. It stopped working. the middle button isn't closing the tabs any more. uyy It only closes them if there is nothing in the tab. for example if I open a new tab but do not load any page

This is when you give FF3 the middle finger instead of the middle button to close it and back to IE. Like someone else said "We, IE fan-boys like to use IE because we're incredibly stupid and we don't know any better and we wrongly gay-skip with a lollipop" :bounce:

 

[Druckles]

What, because you assumed I had no web design experience when I actually have more than you do?

No. Because you have no idea how much experience I have. Does it sound like I don't know anything about how internet browsers work?

The answers No, before you start trying to be a smart arse.

Anyone know of something to increase the size of the 'x' to close tabs? FF3?

Ctrl+W to close tabs