Florida passes a bill...

[seinfeldrules]

Again, I am not stupid and you can deny this all you want. If I am wrong find another example, if you saw it in the local media it will be on the internet. Or you can be honest and admit that is the case you were talking about and then we can take it from there and I can show you how that case was flawed. If you are not willing to do this then there is no point having this discussion with you.

It is a low point in debate when you are accused of lying, but not doing so. It actually makes no sense. "Even though you didnt say it, I know that is what you were thinking!"

 

[No Limit]

It is a low point in debate when you are accused of lying, but not doing so. It actually makes no sense. "Even though you didnt say it, I know that is what you were thinking!"

I won't respond any more unless you actually provide what I ask for as this is about to turn in to a flame war. But like I said, you can't provide any other case which proves that I knew which you were talking about. I do pay attention to this stuff. When there is a talking point out that the republicans are using about liberal professors flunking conservatives and the only source they cite is that one it is safe to assume that is the one you were talking about. Again, prove me wrong, it shouldn't be that hard if I am actually wrong.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Again, prove me wrong, it shouldn't be that hard if I am actually wrong.

If I catch another one in a newspaper I'll be sure to save it for you.

What is your stance on that story anyways? I just read it and some portions of it seemed quite inflammatory.

 

[No Limit]

If I catch another one in a newspaper I'll be sure to save it for you.

What is your stance on that story anyways? I just read it and some portions of it seemed quite inflammatory.

This explains it:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/8841

Also, I don't have the interview now but the professor disputed ever telling the student to get help or insulting him. He offered to help the student but the student refused.

 

[seinfeldrules]

This explains it:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/8841

How about his statements? Those angered me more than the grade itself.

 

[No Limit]

How about his statements? Those angered me more than the grade itself.

Sorry, just edited my post. I don't have a source now, it was on an interview (Hannity & Colmes possibly) that I watched a while ago. I'm sure they are on the net somewhere, I'll look for them next week if I don't get to it today as I don't really have time to browse this board on the weekends.

 

[No Limit]

Here it is:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/066832.php

I have been asked by a number of news organizations about my interaction in late November 2004 with a Foothill College student Ahmad al-Qloushi. This is my response.
In mid-November 2004, Ahmad al-Qloushi came to see me at my request to discuss the outline of his Final Research Paper assignment in the course : “Introduction to American Government & Politics.” He had failed to write the mid-term assignment and had chosen to write his final paper on a topic we both agreed would be a challenge for him. Recognizing that he would have difficulty completing the assignment, I offered him the opportunity to write his paper on a less challenging topic from the mid-term assignment list of topics. We agreed that should he take up the offer, I would not only discount the points he failed to earn at mid-term, but I would also work with him on the outline, and on the review of a draft copy of the paper before he submitted it for grading. Mr. al-Qloushi agreed to do that. However, he turned in his final written assignment without returning for the assistance which we had agreed on earlier. When I read the paper, it became clear to me that it did not respond to the question.

In late November, after grading all final papers, I asked Mr. al-Qloushi to come
and discuss with me the grade. During this meeting, I sought from him his
reasons for reneging on our earlier agreement. In response, he expressed in
great detail, concerns and feelings of high anxiety he was having about certain
developments which had occurred over ten years ago in his country. Some aspects of his concerns were similar to certain concerns expressed in his paper.

Based on the nature of the concerns and the feelings of high anxiety which he
expressed, I encouraged him to visist one of the college counselors. I neither
forced nor ordered Mr. al-Qloushi to see a counselor; I have no authority to do
so. My suggestion to him was a recommendation he freely chose to accept and
which he acknowledged in an e-mail message to me on December 1, 2004.

Foothill College counselors are competent and highly respected professionals
capable of providing professional services to students, and faculty members are
always encouraged by the college administration to make such referrals to
college counselors as the need may arise.

In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicitly
or implicity, to the Dean of International Students or to any other Dean. In my
conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicit or
implicit, to Mr. al-Qloushi’s status as an international student. At the time of
our conversation, Mr. al-Qolushi was still enrolled in my class, but after he
met with the counselor, he never returned to the class.

I deny unequivocally all the allegations Mr. al-Qloushi has attributed to me
regarding my suggestion to him that it might be helpful for him to discuss his
long-standing concerns with a college counselor, as I have described here. All
the other allegations made are false and have no basis whatsoever in fact.

Professor Joseph A. Woolcock

This is just another case of a student failing and then trying to blame the grade on liberal bias. That accusation has absolutely no truth in it but many conservative media sources (such as the washington times) were quick to jump on it to try and advance their agenda.

 

[seinfeldrules]

"He told me, 'Your views are irrational. He called me naive for believing in the greatness of this country and told me, 'America is not God's gift to the world

What about that comment? I would also like to see how the student responded to the Professor's letter, but I doubt it is available.

 

[No Limit]

What about that comment? I would also like to see how the student responded to the Professor's letter, but I doubt it is available.

From the professor's statement

All
the other allegations made are false and have no basis whatsoever in fact.

The professor seems like a very rational person, don't you think? So far there is no reason to believe the student over the professor. The student was the one that said he failed because of liberal bias, as we know this is a lie.

 

[seinfeldrules]

The professor seems like a very rational person, don't you think? So far there is no reason to believe the student over the professor. The student was the one that said he failed because of liberal bias, as we know this is a lie.

Taken from the comments below your second link:

I am a former student of Dr. Woolcock’s. He is a self-described Marxist, and he does actively attempt to persuade conservative students. He forbids critisism of Marx during class discussions. However, I have never known him to mark down an essay on ideological grounds provided it answers the question and is well written and supported.

 

[No Limit]

Taken from the comments below your second link:

Those are comments off the internet, any idiot can do it. I am not saying this is the case but even in there he said the professor never marks down grades based on ideology which is the issue here. Like I said, I have every reason to believe the professor over the student, at this point you should too.

 

[No Limit]

Just looked in to it, this guy also said:

As an aside, I would not describe him as a kook. For all that I disagree with him, he seems to be extremely intelligent and well-informed on political theory (if not on real life).

So even this guy is actually saying you should believe the professor as he is a rational person.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Like I said, I have every reason to believe the professor over the student, at this point you should too.

After reading that, and other comments about this guy, I do believe he would say something along those lines. Nobody will ever really know though.

 

[No Limit]

After reading that, and other comments about this guy, I do believe he would say something along those lines. Nobody will ever really know though.

Yeah, but you want to take the word of a guy that was proven a total liar. The only other statement from supposedly one of his students says he is a good guy, he is simply left leaning (which I don't dispute).