For all those lamers that stops playing HL2 to come cry on this forum...

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To state someone cause it's the best example of it !
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The meaning of accountability and why Valve doesn't get it.

Con:
1. Over a year late.
2. Huge amounts of content that was shown in videos and promised by Valve is missing from the game.
3. Much of the AI slated to be in the game is missing, and it turns out the awesome BINK videos Valve made were actually a farce, most of them were scripted and not an accurate representation of what the game reallly is.
4. Fatal memory errors, horrible loading times, massive amounts of audio stuttering that makes the game unplayable for many customers.
5. Requirement to authenticate the game through Steam, and requirement to use Steam to play the game, even though Steam directly hurts game performance.
6. Failure to apologize for any of the massive amount of shortcomings in game content,bugs/errors, release dates, patches, inaccurate documentation, problems with having Steam authenticate the game, etc. etc. etc.

To summarize: Valve, please stop lying to your customers and deliver the game as promised.


1. Think Duke Nukem Forever ! For the last time, it happens with EVERY GAME ! IT IS NOT A CRIME TO RELEASE A GAME LATER THEN ANNOUNCED !

2. Was it ever promised by Valve ? If they took it out they had the right and it was for the best purpose of the game. Think about it !

3. Juste because AI doesn't open a door by force doesn't mean AI is missing. Yeah, some of it was scripted for marketing purpose. once again EVERYONE DOES THAT ! EVEN MOVIES !

4. Sometime it'S a good thing to check the requirements of a game. And yes, once again, it happens in A LOT OF GAME ! BUGS ARE A COMMON THING IN THE GAMING WORLD !!!

5. YOU CAN PLAY OFFLINE ! ;) And if you could see the money you do going in your pocket instead of someone else you would think about it too ! And if you we're a real fan, you probably pre-loaded itonyour computer, and u we're really happy of getting it at midnite and don'T have to get to the game shop.

6. For one last time, BUGS ARE COMMON IN EVERY GAMES !

And to all of you still bitching Valve ! It's not because Valve takes lots of time to deal with you and being the Nicest producer around that they deserve more complaining than the others.

Valve, as aby other game makers, have all the rights to what they do. I was flabbergasted to see someone saying : Valve lied ! They said the blue gravity gun wasn'T going to be in the game and now it is ! ! Like 50% of the ppl here said it would be awesome to have it in game. I think it was a great gift from Valve to change their mind and put it in game !

So please, Valve has a lot more to offer still. Bugs are common and we have to deal with it in every game. Do you go at Nvidia and ATI complain everytime something isn't perfect ? (if yes please go away...) If you are too young to have a job yet, you'll life is all like that ! there is always problem to be solved, ppl complaining stupidly and way-too-short deadline to meet !

Thanks for reading MY OWN COMPLAINING about lame ppl !

Flame, kill, ban, erase, lock. Who cares ! Here's my 2 cents !

VALVE ! Ignore weird ppl and surprise us with HL3 !!
 
Wow! Show off that valve fanboyism!

I don't know if you noticed but.....Steam sucks.
 
Haha...I think I'm cool cause I hate Valve. :|

edit: Don't bother responding. This is probably going to get locked anyway. :|

edit 2: Stop whining about Valve.
 
He is making a fair point though: so many people are complaining needlessly about so many aspects of HL2. If they're like this about HL2 they must hate every other game, because HL2 is better in most aspects than every other game I've ever played. There are hardly any bugs (considering its size and scope) its graphics are incredible, the AI is better than any other game I can think of...etc. Yes it may have problems but so does every other ****ing game...but in much larger quantities.
 
I had no problem with Steam at all !

And all I heard about steam making the game slower is a 18 FPS when it's in offline mode. Which is what everyone should be doing playing offline...
 
I already let out my steam on that other thread.... damn I needed to do that.
 
WhiteZero said:
*see sig for reply*

Steam is a terrible program- Fact

Steam is annoying- Fact

Valve is amazing-Opinion
 
"if you are a real fan you should prealoaded into ypur PC"

I think thats a litle stupid

I am sad that valve hav take out enemyes of the videos and the beta but still HL2 looks very cool :D
 
Zeus said:
Steam is a terrible program- Fact

Steam is annoying- Fact

Valve is amazing-Opinion

Dictionary said:
o·pin·ion
n.
A personal belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
Congrats on being ignorant sir. Good luck with that.
 
<RJMC> said:
"if you are a real fan you should prealoaded into ypur PC"

I think thats a litle stupid

I am sad that valve hav take out enemyes of the videos and the beta but still HL2 looks very cool :D

Well, I think whoever you're quoting has a point... "True" fans most likely would have had paid for/preloaded so they could play it at the stroke of midnight.. I'm also pissed about the lack of a hydra and the 'beta' enemies...
 
"if you are a real fan you should prealoaded into ypur PC"

Or if you just didnt feel like driving out to the store to get the game.
*shrugs*
 
Zeus said:
Steam is a terrible program- Fact

Steam is annoying- Fact

Valve is amazing-Opinion

You must be dumb, those are all opinions. I mean if it was annoying you think over 100,000 people would be playing much, if any?
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
You must be dumb, those are all opinions. I mean if it was annoying you think over 100,000 people would be playing much, if any?

Indeed, if you don't know the difference between Fact and Opinion, please go back to Grade School.
 
"Steam is a terrible program-opinion"

Your opinion, its a good program,fast downloads,checks files for errors,updates and downloads all valve games.

"Steam is annoying-opinion"

Your opinion, how can a program annoy you, explain how it does and i might listen.

"Valve is amazing-fact "

This is true, they are the best dev team, they have the most players playing thier game. MMORPGs are the only ones that have more.
 
Zeus said:
Steam is a terrible program- Fact

Steam is annoying- Fact

Valve is amazing-Opinion

1) It is? Never had any major problems with it. Oh wait, yes, my HL2 cd-key wasn't immediately fixed to my account after unlocking it, it only happened a few hours later. Quick, get your pitchforks and torches!
2) Kudos on repeating yourself.
3) Correct. So is the stuff above.
 
SixThree said:
Well, I think whoever you're quoting has a point... "True" fans most likely would have had paid for/preloaded so they could play it at the stroke of midnight.. I'm also pissed about the lack of a hydra and the 'beta' enemies...
Well the beta is still around after all. As soon as the proper SDK is released i have no doubt people will ressurect some of the enemies in it that were cut from the final game
 
Kwyjiboman said:
I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada !
Thanks for asking ! :E

Ugh.. where does the name/word Kwyjibo come from? Ive heard it before, but I cant grasp from where.
 
Just for the record I think steam is an excellent idea in terms of distribution of content. The only things to be ironed out are the T&Cs around its use. Don't get mixed up between the technology of steam and the use of steam.
 
Snowknight26 said:
Ugh.. where does the name/word Kwyjibo come from? Ive heard it before, but I cant grasp from where.
Simpsons
 
LoL !

First season of the simpsons! When they play scrabble, bart spells out K-W-Y-J-I-B-O, referring to big fat monkey from north america (or something), referring to Homer. I've been using this nick for over 8 years on the internet. Just thought it was pretty funny at the time and it sticked ! Been a while I've seen that episode. I should definetly buy those season Dvds !
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
You must be dumb, those are all opinions. I mean if it was annoying you think over 100,000 people would be playing much, if any?


Yeah I must be dumb, me and the thousands of other people who think steam is terrible.
 
SixThree said:
Well, I think whoever you're quoting has a point... "True" fans most likely would have had paid for/preloaded so they could play it at the stroke of midnight.. I'm also pissed about the lack of a hydra and the 'beta' enemies...
what about the ones that dont hav internet?
 
Ok I admit, I could do without Steam. The installation could have been alot more painless without Steam. I also didn't like the fact that I had to turn down the texture quality to ease the stuttering. But you know what? I enjoyed the game so much that I'm willing to overlook its shortcomings.

Valve has made something beautiful -- cut them some slack!
 
SixThree said:
Well, I think whoever you're quoting has a point... "True" fans most likely would have had paid for/preloaded so they could play it at the stroke of midnight.. I'm also pissed about the lack of a hydra and the 'beta' enemies...
Errrrr..... no.
It's idiotic to think that only a "true fan" will download from Steam and preload, how about the "true fans" that don't have a credit card or the "true fans" that want an actual hard copy CD/DVD for whatever reason.
And by the looks of it, you're not a true fan, otherwise why would you be playing/looking at the leaked version of the game.

Fact: Think with your head and not your ass next time.
 
2. Was it ever promised by Valve ? If they took it out they had the right and it was for the best purpose of the game. Think about it !
If you release a video who's purpose is to DIRECTLY influence people's decision in purchasing your product you damn well better deliver it's content. How can you blindly put your trust in a company that lies to you, takes your money and will do it again?

Yeah, some of it was scripted for marketing purpose.
THIS IS CALLED FRAUD.

This is a perfect example that illustrates how this generation was brought up to get ****ed in the ass by big companies and ask for more. We tolerate faulty advertising because "everyone does it". We expect our games to be buggy. We happily shell out ridiculous sums of money for products that are no longer guaranteed to work out of the box. With no other type of product would these shoddy sales ethics be put up with.

Yeah, Half-Life 2 may work for most of you, but far, FAR too many of us have experienced major glitches, poor performance and unending frustration with this cruel, cruel joke they call Steam. It's time for a lot of you to understand that in this society consummers have a certain status, and while it may be leagues below that of multi-millionaire corporations we still have the right to a certain level of satisfaction for what we pay for, and if we don't bitch about it then we're just unrolling the red carpet for them to come and screw us some more.
 
I don't know what the deal is on this site, but an incredible number of people are being really rude and obsessed with the difference from fact and opinion.

I know that all of this negativity towards Valve is getting extremely annoying. I have a hard time putting up with things that aren't true being said about something that I like. But, some people are just trolls and it's better to just ignore them. If nobody replies, there's no fuel for the fire.

So, Let's all try to hold our disagreements in and let these trolls get bored and go away.

K?

And please...enough with this fact vs. opinion junk. There's always going to be someone who believes that their opinion is fact. There's always going to be someone who thinks that someone's fact is an opinion. It's a pointless argument that gets us nowhere.
 
Andy22 said:
... and while it may be leagues below that of multi-millionaire corporations we still have the right to a certain level of satisfaction for what we pay for, and if we don't bitch about it then we're just unrolling the red carpet for them to come and screw us some more.

man, chill the **** out dude.

Valve is not a *big-corporation*, Vivendi is. And Steam exists because Valve didn't want Vivendi to get 80-85% on every HL2 copy sold at Wal-Mart.

I bought my copy off Steam and I'm happy because my money mostly went to Valve , a small, tight, bright and community-friendly company and not to a *big corporation*

G-zus...... you know what? It's still only a computer game! I spent more money on the last 3 crappy Hollywood movies I went to see recently than I did on HL2 (popcorn and condoms included). On top of this, HL2 comes with:

CT: Source (hours and hours of mindless fun shooting at my co-workers)
DOD: Source (hours and hours of minldess fun shooting at some family members)
Source SDK: (hours and hours of fun coding my own MOD)
TFC: soon
etc.etc.


please.
 
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