france = RACIST? - I hope not but it doesn't look good

Are french citizens RACIST?


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I've never been to france nor do I plan on going any time soon. I have a friend that went there for a week with the foreign language class in high school. I think it was six years ago. He said it was a great experience. The food and locations were truely to die for.

Two co-workers had something negative to say. One went with her family in the summer of 2000. She(chinese/irish) said the same thing about the food and scenery but that the people were very rude once they knew that they were American. Another friend said that his father(vietnamese) went there for a business trip pre-9/11 and said the same thing about how he was treated rudely after they found out he was American.

Now taking in to consideration that this was pre-iraq, pre-9/11 and pre-Bush days; what reasons would french people have to behave negatively towards American tourists? If current anti-American attitudes exist in France from international politics then what are it's roots for past incidents?

I support the Bush administrations efforts in iraq. I certainly wouldn't treat an iraqie with disrespect if he came to my place of work as a paying guest. Especially if he or she were a tourist. What reasons do I have to mistreat complete strangers in my country? None really. I was born here but my parents came here decades earlier. I can relate to my parents birthplace but I'm an American at heart and wouldn't feel at home anywhere else. I could survive anywhere and be successful doing whatever but I prefer this place.

I heard that there was a growing resentment towards McDonalds in france because it was a successful American business and that fast food in general is dispised. Food especially I suppose is more then a cultural thing france. Being directly associated with ones traditional dishes has it's positives and negatives. If nothing else they have their history of good tastes in the culinary arts.

Yet past annimosity can not all be based on food alone. Was it because of our ecomony? Silicone Valley was the place to be during the late 90's. The United States does have some of the lowest taxes in the world. We import more goods then we export. Why would anyone be jeleous of someone else's economy? Just because it's stronger doesn't mean we are better as people.

So am I just feeling irrationally inferior because of something we as a people did or didn't do in the 90's? Perhaps france is and always have been manuvering itself to be in a position of worldy influence like America by undermining everything we do. Napolean had his day in the sun. Does his influence and glory still reign in the hearts of modern frenchmen? Are french people just inherently racist against a mixed society like America? I am not in a position to answer any of these questions. Maybe there is someone out there that can. I doubt it but you never know.

So if you have had a negative experinece in france recently or in the past ten years then I would like to hear from you. Was it something you did that got that responce or was it because of what you were. Also I would like to get some reasons as to why you feel that french people are racist/rude towards Americans/non-french citizens.

Thanks.
 
French people in America usually get the same treatment.
 
I have never seen a french person be openly rascist (expect in a taxi the driver was on the phone making irish jokes) but they are quite rude, the bunk ques alot and steal seats on the underground
 
(^Ben) - I don't know about that. What would the reasons be for that kind of behavior other then reacting to current political rivalry? Your blanket statement is just your opinion. So what reasons do you have that feel this way? Are you french? Are you American? Are you just here to cause trouble?
 
Both the U.S and France show animosity towards eachother.

I also want to know why. Where does it stem from?
 
^Ben said:
French people in America usually get the same treatment.
Not really...Of course they do get made fun of from time to time..hell sometimes not even that.Stuff like that happens in every country.

Now I will admit the french are rude, but if I was there and some french bastard was to take my seat or make fun of me I would show him a thing or two. ;)
 
Mr-Fusion said:
Both the U.S and France show animosity towards eachother.

I also want to know why. Where does it stem from?

They explained it in the simpsons once, can't remember why it was though (and it wasn't the real reason anyway)
 
If I was here to cause trouble I would of said something else :p

I have seen the way a great deal of Americans speak about french people, And while I know it's probably not all of America that acts this way, but on the other foot all of france does not act the same way.

You said to me.

"Your blanket statement"

While you posted this.

"france = RACIST?"

"french people are racist/rude towards Americans/non-french citizens"

"Does his influence and glory still reign in the hearts of modern frenchmen? Are french people just inherently racist against a mixed society like America?"
 
Of course they aren't racist - basing your judgement on a few cases is always a silly thing to do.

France is a great country, as are the ppl. Sure, some may be prejudiced towards Americans - but no more than you'll find in the rest of Europe/world.

I've come accross more predujdice from Americans and their media towards the French than vice versa (by a long way) If anything these ppls luke warm welcome could simply be a response to this.
 
I back up my opinions with a coherent foundation of second hand experiences while you don't. Also you need to notice how things out of context can make you look stupid. Do you realize that those aren't declaritive sencences designed to paint all french people as racist? They do have question marks at the end of the sentence. So instead of attacking me for your lack of effort to read my full post why don't you just apologize and go away. As I have previously asked before are you here to start trouble?
 
Was that aimed at me?

I hope not - there was no 'attacking' whatsoever. Just an answer to your query.

Maybe I should have said 'basing judgement on a few cases is a silly thing to do' (something you were entertaining - hence the thread) rather than 'basing your judgement on a few cases is always a silly thing to do'.
 
I am doing something that those people in france probably didn't do before interacting with my firends. That being that I am actively encouraging dialogue and trying to reach something that is 'truthful'. Sure the scope of people that this forum can reach is limited but its a good start.

The previous post was aimed at (^Ben).
 
You base your views on 2 second hand experiences?

Plus "a heard"

I've had a couple of french freinds go to America and they got treated badly plus I heard they where changing french fries to "freedom fries" does that mean America is racist?

You say you are encouraging dialogue and then tell me to go away when im obviously not trying to cause trouble.
 
Well if lets just say that if there is a french fast food corporation that came to America in the mid/late 90's then there wouldn't be a backlash or protests during construction. That nomenclature is trivial and was only implemented at one strip mall in Washington DC. I'm sure that a larger percent of french people would reach harshly towards americans then vise-versa.
 
Encouraging diaogue is good - just don't jump on me when you dislike my opinion.

I've been to France many times. I have French friends. They are as fine a ppl as i've met in any country.

It's a shame you feel this way (but having watched American news for years I can understand why) Don't be put off visiting France, or any other country in europe, because you feel some ppl there may not like you ..... because that's certainly not the case.

I know French ppl who've been treated appallingly in America (especially since the war started) but they hold no grudges, and see it for what it is - just a small no. of assholes giving them a hard time, not 'the whole country being racist')
 
"I know French ppl who've been treated appallingly in America (especially since the war started) but they hold no grudges, and see it for what it is - just a small no. of assholes giving them a hard time, not 'the whole country being racist')"

QFE
 
Of course there's going to be backlash against McDonalds setting up shop.

Okay, picture it this way:

Your family has owned a tiny little cafe for over 70 years. It survived wars, and even hid soldiers on the run at being risk of captured. They live off the small amount of tourism the area recieves, and the balance has never changed.

But suddenly, McDonalds comes. The tourists are suddenly not bothered with your little diner, because all it does is serve unknown local food, for local people. They all go to McDonalds, because it's cheaper, easier and better known.

The cafe with so much heritage and history is suddenly looking on the bad side of bankrupt every single week, all because some McDonalds has moved in.
 
My intention is to find the cause of anti-Americanism in the 90's. That era isn't corrupted by reasons of terrorism and war. You started this conversation by pointing a finger right back at my country. Don't tell me that "French people in America usually get the same treatment." was related to the topic in any way. If your friends were treated badly then be specific as to the circumstances. I too would like to change Americas image. I know nothing about you but here I am putting something personal out here and all you want to do is not respect my intentions. So if you can't see my point of view then just leave. Start your own topic.

The above message is aimed at (^Ben).
 
If you give it you get it.

Both countrys give it, both countrys get it.
 
Over here McDonalds is a franchise. It's not as if people don't own their own their building or equiptment. If McDonalds exists there it is because a citizen wanted to take a risk and start a well proven business. Also the population wants the service. Why would tourists come to france to eat a cheap burger? It just sounds so sad. If I had the money then I would try and get the most out of the culture and eat at the well known restraunts and the local joints.
 
peoplesuc said:
Over here McDonalds is a franchise. It's not as if people don't own their own their building or equiptment. If McDonalds exists there it is because a citizen wanted to take a risk and start a well proven business. Also the population wants the service. Why would tourists come to france to eat a cheap burger? It just sounds so sad. If I had the money then I would try and get the most out of the culture and eat at the well known restraunts and the local joints.

I doubt they want the service, since they protest against it at every stage. Oh, and tourists do flock to Micky D's when they're on holiday. After they've seen the sights of the area, they rarely think to go into that old run down diner, instead of that flash, lit up McDonald's.
 
(^Ben) - great then I guess American will have to someday screw france out of billions of barrels of cheap oil while at the same time lying to their faces about something. I am refering to 'Food for Oil' and how france got a lucreative deal with saddam.

Once again WHY DOES IT APPEAR THAT THERE WAS ANTI-AMERICANISM DURING THE 90'S? IF AMERICA 'STARTED IT' THEN WHAT WERE THOSE EVENTS AND WHAT WOULD LEAD TO TWO COMPLETELY RANDOM PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME TYPE OF EVENTS AT A SPECIFIC LOCATION(france) AND TIME(90's)?
 
(Kangy) - Protest can be annoying but if they make enought money to stay in business then they can march on the streets till the cows come home. They just can't use the restrooms unless they are dining. LOL!
 
Yes, but don't you find anything wrong with American grease food culture coming into those little havens of culture and destroying it? Also, protest generally works in the end.
 
People -REALLY- need to learn not to genralize. REALLY.

People -REALLY- need to learn not to genralize. REALLY.

My final two years of High School were spent in Mons Belgium, where my father was assigned to S.H.A.P.E. (Supreme Head Quarters Allied Powers Europe). It was a wonderful experience to say the least. Among some of the perks of living there was the short train hop into Paris. As an artist, I loved the accesibility of Muse D' Orange and Le Louvre, as well as many smaller independant galleries, shops etc. So, I made frequent Saturday trips into Paris.

I try very VERY hard not to be the "Ugly American" when abroad. It's one of the things the military tries to teach American families before they go abroad. I try to learn enough of the language so as not to adopt the usual American abroad attitude of "Well don't you speak English???". I try not to stand out, not be boisterous, and in general not act like the place is some resort I'm vacationing in.

It is a conservative estimate for me to say: 7 times out of 10, no matter how hard I tried to be kind polite and sincere, merchants and vendors in Paris were irritated that they were having to deal with an American at all. (this is 1990-1992 in case you need a time of reference) I never let it get my panties in a wad as it were, I just accepted that I am in fact the outsider, and many before me have behaved poorly. I should also say, that there were other times that my attempts to speak French and my humble demeanor were appreciated. I began to frequent one cafe in particular, because the reception there was always very warm. (I love european cafe culture, you buy a latte, that table is yours until you're done with it... bring a sketchbook sit for hours sipping and stealing the faces of total strangers in your sketchbook... ahhhhhhh man I miss it!!!)

Conversley we made the trip one Easter to Normandy, to visit the wealth of war museums and historical sites to be seen there. (If you have a family member who fought in WWII you owe it to yourself to make a pilgrimage to Normandy some day, it will change the way you view that family member for the rest of your life. You really have no clue how huge an undertaking Normandy was until you stand in a German pillbox overlooking Omaha beach.). Here in Normandy the second anyone figured us out to be Americans thier eyes would light up. Vendors and Merchants would talk our ears off. Eldarly people (about the age of those who would have been WWII survivors) would literally stop us on the street and tell us that they appreciate us being there.

Bottom line is (sorry for taking so long to get here)... Paris is like any other metropolitan city. You will meet people you like, and people you don't. You will meet people who like you, people who don't. But Paris != France
 
All I can say about the French is -


  • They can't win a war
    They're traitors
    They can't hold a game w/o it being leaked (Halo 2)
    They're a word that starts with a P, has 2 S, and ends with a Y
    You don't even have to pick up your dog crap in France cause they are such lazy bums
 
I don't know about the war part...

Remember napoleon? ;)
 
RTFMy said:
All I can say about the French is -


  • They can't win a war
    They're traitors
    They can't hold a game w/o it being leaked (Halo 2)
    They're a word that starts with a P, has 2 S, and ends with a Y
    You don't even have to pick up your dog crap in France cause they are such lazy bums

Twat :/
 
RTFMy said:
All I can say about the French is -


  • They can't win a war
    They're traitors
    They can't hold a game w/o it being leaked (Halo 2)
    They're a word that starts with a P, has 2 S, and ends with a Y
    You don't even have to pick up your dog crap in France cause they are such lazy bums

Shut up. You obviously know nothing about France nor the French people.
 
RTFMy said:
All I can say about the French is -


  • They can't win a war
    They're traitors
    They can't hold a game w/o it being leaked (Halo 2)
    They're a word that starts with a P, has 2 S, and ends with a Y
    You don't even have to pick up your dog crap in France cause they are such lazy bums


You're a bit ignorant, eh?

Can't hold a game without it leaking? Oh, the US has managed to leak Doom 3, GTA:SA... I'd hardly call them pussies, just because they've not won a war for a bit. Why is war so important, anyway?
 
the french have a right to be racist against Americans, have you any idea what most people here think of French people?
 
Most of the French people I've ever talked to couldn't care less about America in that way. They certainly weren't racist. Mostly they just want to make money out of American tourists....


By the way, if anything you should call the French xenophobic, because US citizens aren't a "race" of people.

Also, if anybody should hate anybody, everyone should hate the British. Considering we conquered a large part of the world :p (Though there were positive sides) Remember who helped America against us in your War of Independance...
 
I speak french, have been to france and know many many french people, and they're just the same as you or me, with their cultural differences as you would find anywhere. GW Bush and his moronic intolerance is mostly to blame for anti-french sentiment.

I have spent years (and over three months of constant time) with french people and in france and have moved 13 times across the US over a period of 18 years. The french are just like any other nationality with their daily lives and wide variation of beliefs. I have met a crapload of people and I can tell you that anyone who spouts anti-french dogma is at best a prize moron Bush worshipper, or just a rather weak and unlearned person. Also, your average French citizen is a hell of a lot more polite and well mannered than your average uncouth american yahoo.

Oh and WTF are you talking about racism? Seriously WTF? Do you by any chance mean nationalism? Intolerance? Ignorance? Where the **** did someone pull racism out of their ass? Seriously, what the shit does that have to do with anything at all about the french people? Are you implying they're their own race? If so then goose-step away from me, kthnx.

(Note the clever use of "they're" and "their" *gasp* - it's grammar in action kiddies!)
 
FictiousWill said:
GW Bush and his moronic intolerance is mostly to blame for anti-french sentiment.

Can you provide some objective documentation that establishes Bush's "Moronic Intolerance"?
 
Also, if anybody should hate anybody, everyone should hate the British. Considering we conquered a large part of the world

Good point... I must hate you from now on, because some hundred years ago people from your country did something you're completely to blame for!!1 Get zee V2's in position!

(Oh, I didn't say anything about the rest of this topic, as it's a complete b/s discussion.)
 
CptStern said:

I'd hardly consider a site whose tag-line is "Breaking News and Views for the Progressive Community" as an objective source. The second you say your news is tailored to a specific community it ceases to be objective.

Further more, the article you suggested is an editorial piece written by someone who clearly already has an opinion on Bush, and is only in the market of conveying that opinion (as is the nature of the editorial.)

For now however, I will dispense with my objections to your source, and pretend that it is an objective story. Let's take then the only fact one can derive from the entire editorial, that being that the author purports (without giving a contextual quote I might add) that Bush used the word 'Paki' to refer to Pakistani allies. Her source isn't given, and the actual quote isn't given.

Does then the alleged "fact" that bush called his Pakistani allies Paki's give credence to the hyperbolic assertion that bush is "Moronically Intollerant"?

Well let's investigate that for a minute:

My comcast digital cable provides me with the International Channel. I enjoy this alot, and watch it from time to time. The author of this article might be shocked to find out that Paki isn't a racial slur.

If it is, then British newscasters are the most vile racists, as they throw the term around frequently. Pakistanis are then also self-deprecating, as their own shows talk about Paki this, and Paki that.

Perhaps had she done a search on the word Paki in google before writing his inflamitory editorial, she'd see the prolific number of Pakistani hosted sites which use the word with a degree of pride.

Maybe you're unaware of how harsh a label like "Moronic Intollerance" is. I've noticed that alot these days, people are given to over the top hyperbolic statements that they just can't adequately (or objectively) backup.

Listen, I don't worship Bush, or his administration by any stretch of the imagination, but I do get tired of people blindly accepting "talking points" assertions about someone. Then when you put them on the spot about it, ask them to really back up statements like "Bush is Hitler" or "Bush is the Anti-Christ" or "Bush is Moronically Intollerant", they can't.

I made these same arguments during the Clinton administration when over-the-top right wingers would give in to the same tendency about that president. It's not excusible behavior, and it certainly doesn't display political literacy.

-edited, after realizing the author was female... gender pronouns should be correct now.
 
French people in America usually get the same treatment.

Actually, no. We've got this French Fur guy, and we have great fun. He was nervous going to raves and clubs, so I introduced to him it -- and he likes it a lot.

No problem there ...
 
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