Freedom of Speech, Censorship, and Lolicon: The First Amendment and You

[RakuraiTenjin]

Look at you providing no logic at all for why you think it's reasonable to assume a pedophile will commit a crime against an innocent little girl.

Brilliance, I applaud you for such a bold move.

Actually, no, it just makes you look retarded.

I usually don't get nasty with insults in arguments on hl2.net, but you sir are offending a large group of people and so I feel it is my right to offend you.

"to investigate if he'll have child sex."

Exactly how is this performed?

I don't care if I offend people who like drawings of children having sex. This is a group of people I would have no problem ****ing up in real life.

They investigate it the same way they investigate child predators now.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Can't prove all those girls aren't 18.

 

[Vegeta897]

People who buy comics are comparable to child predators now?

Rakurai you are consistently ignoring our responses to your statements, while finding more and more ridiculous things to bring up. We could go on all night, but you're just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Pedophile != Sex offender

 

[Absinthe]

Massive quantities of loli do not indicate a conspiracy to rape children. For all you know, he just likes jacking off to midget cartoons. What if it wasn't loli, but furry porn. Would you seriously try starting an investigation to see if his he is (or about to) abusing animals?

Lots of people have fantasies. Quite a few we'd consider taboo. Many of them are not actually recreated. An interest in man-made, illustrated fiction hurts nobody and violates no rights. More likely at the bottom of it all is a dude who jerks off a lot and doesn't get laid.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Massive quantities of loli do not indicate a conspiracy to rape children. For all you know, he just likes jacking off to midget cartoons. What if it wasn't loli, but furry porn. Would you seriously try starting an investigation to see if his he is (or about to) abusing animals?

Lots of people have fantasies. Quite a few we'd consider taboo. Many of them are not actually recreated. An interest in man-made, illustrated fiction hurts nobody and violates no rights. More likely at the bottom of it all is a dude who jerks off a lot and doesn't get laid.

Which like I've recommended numerous times an investigation would reveal if it was so, and nothing would come of it. I'm not supporting them prosecuting him for obscenity as that assaults the first amendment- I've been saying the whole thread though that it is probable cause to launch an investigation from.

If he is just a lonely dude who gets off on it being a cartoon rather than it being children then they'd have nothing to go on and just have to drop it. They jumped the gun like I said.

It's just sickening that some people are actually defending the social (see- not legal) implications of having this shit. Someone who has this lolcon crap does deserve an ass beating, period. I think everyone can agree with that man.

 

[Vegeta897]

I'm going to ask you one more ****ing time, Rakurai, you god damn ignoramus.

What in the holy shitting **** did this man do to deserve an ass beating?

I'm done with you, I'm seriously done.

Like, I would have figured even someone like you would get it through your skull by now, with the overwhelming defeat in this thread.

I'm so glad I'm not as ignorant as you.

 

[Jintor]

He had a "massive collection" of manga. He is being prosecuted for only a few comics from that collection.

I'll quote Neil again.

In this case you obviously have read lolicon, and I haven't. I don't know whether you're writing from personal experience here, and whether you have personally been incited to rape children or give inappropriate hugs by reading it. (I assume you haven't. I assume that Chris Handley, with his huge manga collection, wasn't either. I've read books that claimed that exposure to porn causes rape, but have seen no statistical evidence that porn causes rape -- and indeed have seen claims that the declining number of US rapes may be due to the wider availability of porn.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm going to ask you one more ****ing time, Rakurai, you god damn ignoramus.

What in the holy shitting **** did this man do to deserve an ass beating?

I'm done with you, I'm seriously done.

Like, I would have figured even someone like you would get it through your skull.

I'm so glad I'm not as ignorant as you.

He got off to images of child sex (real or not)

Yes, that in itself is enough to merit an ass beating. If you don't think so so be it. If you meet him in real life go ahead and look at his drawings with him. If I ever meet him in real life he's going to meet my fists as well.

He had a "massive collection" of manga. He is being prosecuted on a handful of comics he has.

I understand this and that's wrong. I was just saying his collection of child sex drawings was probable cause to launch an investigation, and merit enough for me and plenty of other people to be willing to beat his ass.

 

[Vegeta897]

Are you aware that having that philosophy on life and people is befitting of someone who is incredibly foolish?

'Cuz I just want you to be aware of who you are choosing to be here.

What exactly does beating his ass accomplish?

Are you going to beat the pedophilia out of him?

 

[Jintor]

Because you're an urban vigilante, I suppose? It only merits a beating by this weird vigilante fist-handed morality you and plenty of other people have got going. By the letter of the law owning drawn images of 'child sex' is not illegal, it is not a valid reason to launch an investigation, and it is not legal merit for you to lynch the person.

So yeah, Lynch mob mentality I guess.

 

[Acepilotf14]

I like loli, but hate actual CP.
Something about the art makes it better, honestly.

 

[Jintor]

It might be because a lot of drawn porn (not just loli) as a rule tries to make a story, especially the Japanese ones.

...wait Ace has seen actual CP what

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Because you're an urban vigilante, I suppose? It only merits a beating by this weird vigilante fist-handed morality you and plenty of other people have got going. By the letter of the law owning drawn images of 'child sex' is not illegal, it is not a valid reason to launch an investigation, and it is not legal merit for you to lynch the person.

So yeah, Lynch mob mentality I guess.

I didn't say LYNCH him, I said beat his ass.

And a little bit isn't probable cause- but he had a specific collection of them.

If I have hundreds of little plastic baggies and some scales- to the police that's probable cause to search for drugs. If smell is probable cause to check for intoxication, then why isn't collection of child sex drawings probable cause to check for child sex ACTS?


You guys are ****ing sick that actually have this. I can't believe you people. WTF is wrong with you getting off on this shit. If you have these drawings you're a pedophile and need to seek treatment ASAP.

 

[Absinthe]

Which like I've recommended numerous times an investigation would reveal if it was so, and nothing would come of it. I'm not supporting them prosecuting him for obscenity as that assaults the first amendment- I've been saying the whole thread though that it is probable cause to launch an investigation from.

If he is just a lonely dude who gets off on it being a cartoon rather than it being children then they'd have nothing to go on and just have to drop it. They jumped the gun like I said.

It's just sickening that some people are actually defending the social (see- not legal) implications of having this shit. Someone who has this lolcon crap does deserve an ass beating, period. I think everyone can agree with that man.

No.

A written intent to fuck children may warrant investigation. Or maybe if he was found suspiciously lurking around childrens' playgrounds. A collection of fiction (which is what it is) warrants nothing except perhaps the disapproving shake of your head if you see fit.

Legally he cannot be held accountable for anything, nor should he arouse the suspicion of any law enforcement agency. My personal view on the material (which frankly doesn't rank that high) should not matter one bit. Why is it even a part of the discussion?

 

[Vegeta897]

Wee more ridiculous comparisons.

Hundreds of plastic baggies and scales has a very obvious use.

A bunch of loli mags has a very obvious use too. FAPPING.

One obvious use is illegal while the other obvious use isn't.

While you can easily lie about what your baggies and scales are for, there is no REASON to lie about the mags.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Wee more ridiculous comparisons.

Hundreds of plastic baggies and scales has a very obvious use.

A bunch of loli mags has a very obvious use too. FAPPING.

One obvious use is illegal while the other obvious use isn't.

Masturbating to images of child sex is probable cause to investigate for ACTUAL child sex.

 

[Acepilotf14]

It might be because a lot of drawn porn (not just loli) as a rule tries to make a story, especially the Japanese ones.

...wait Ace has seen actual CP what

>.>
<.<
shit

 

[Vegeta897]

So is masturbating to rape fantasies probable cause to investigate for actual rape?

Is masturbating to incest probably cause to investigate for actual incest?

Is playing videogames where you shoot and kill virtual characters probable cause to investigate for actual murder?


Your arguments get dumber and dumber, Rakurai.


Unless you can think of a reason for why this post didn't just completely prove your point wrong, which I know you won't be able to do, stop posting please.

 

[kineaesth]

Masturbating to images of child sex is probable cause to investigate for ACTUAL child sex.

Here give me that dick we'll see if it has any kiddie DNA on it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

So is masturbating to rape fantasies probable cause to investigate for actual rape?

If they had a collection of rape items yes. And remember investigate =/= prosecute

Is masturbating to incest probably cause to investigate for actual incest?

Same principle as above.

Is playing videogames where you shoot and kill virtual characters probable cause to investigate for actual murder?

No, as there needs to be a conspiracy to murder a specific person. Sex acts and murder are obviously investigated far differently. The above two examples you gave fit perfect with the pedophile story though.

If they had a massive collection of games about specifically killing a certain person or group then yes it's probable cause to investigate a conspiracy to murder that person/group. And once again investigate =/= prosecute.

Your arguments get dumber and dumber, Rakurai.

Then stop reading them and go back to looking at child sex drawings.




This arguement just goes in circles anyway- I know you don't think it's probable cause and I'm not going to change your mind, but let me ask you this question.

Say you'd never read this story, etc, and this guy had never been arrested or charged. Now say you met this guy in real life and he showed you that he has this collection. You seriously would not just **** him up right then and there? At least if not say it's because you never touch a person or something. At least be ****ing disgusted personally by this shit man. Even if you dont think its worth investigating for gods sake please at least be disgusted with this man.

 

[kineaesth]

If they had a collection of rape items

I have collected all the rape items, where is Princess Peach?!
Sorry but the princess is in another castle!!!



What I am doing here is not actually arguing with you, merely pointing out the splendidly quotable stupidity of much of what you say/type.

Have fun.

 

[Vegeta897]

If they had a collection of rape items yes.

Rape items? Rape items!? What the **** are rape items? Do you mean rape pornography? I assure you that if the police found someone with a collection of rape pornography, they wouldn't give a shit. It's a fetish/fantasy just like any other.

Same principle as above.

Indeed.

No, as there needs to be a conspiracy to murder a specific person.

And you conveniently leave the reasoning for this out.

Sex acts and murder are obviously investigated far differently.

What exactly do you mean by this? Why does murder have to be tied to a specific person, while rape doesn't? That doesn't make any sense, sorry.

Then stop reading them and go back to looking at child sex drawings.

;(



As for your edit, no, I would not harm the man. Why? He's not harming anybody. His interests are his interests, and I welcome him to enjoy what he wants if it doesn't bring harm to others.

My personal opinion of the subject, and whether or not it grosses me out is totally, and completely irrelevant.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Come on vegeta, we don't need this!

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Rape items? Rape items!? What the **** are rape items? Do you mean rape pornography? I assure you that if the police found someone with a collection of rape pornography, they wouldn't give a shit. It's a fetish/fantasy just like any other.


Indeed.


And you conveniently leave the reasoning for this out.

What exactly do you mean by this? Why does murder have to be tied to a specific person, while rape doesn't? That doesn't make any sense, sorry.

;(

Rape items such as rape pornography, literature, etc etc. If its just a fantasy then that's all it will remain after being checked out.

for the murder investigation-
Because how can they even begin to investigate them for conspiracy to commit murder if there's no one to lure them to conspire to murder?

I can't believe you wouldn't even be disgusted by this vegeta. You're either supressing it for the sake of the arguement or I dont even know what to think about that.

 

[kineaesth]

If its just a fantasy then that's all it will remain after being checked out.

'Here give us his dick we'll see if it's ever raped anyone.'

Do you see how completely fallacious (big word, I know) you are being here?

 

[Vegeta897]

What I think of the subject is irrelevant, so stop bringing it up. Do you think everyone in here who is against you is a pedophile? The fact that our personal opinions don't matter should tell you something.

[Rape items such as rape pornography, literature, etc etc. If its just a fantasy then that's all it will remain after being checked out.

People should have the right to privacy and not be investigated for something as ridiculous as this.

[Because how can they even begin to investigate them for conspiracy to commit murder if there's no one to lure them to conspire to murder?

Not all murders target a specific person.

And not all rapes are random women.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

'Here give us his dick we'll see if it's ever raped anyone.'

Do you see how completely fallacious (big word, I know) you are being here?

That's now how things are done. If there was anything recently in the area to investigate to connect him to they would. If anything came up they'd probably cross reference DNA. That's the extent of investigation they'd be able to do as far as rape goes.

The pedophilia is easier because they can lure to a meeting with a 'child' (undercover agent)

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

What I think of the subject is irrelevant, so stop bringing it up. Do you think everyone in here who is against you is a pedophile? The fact that our personal opinions don't matter should tell you something.

People should have the right to privacy and not be investigated for something as ridiculous as this.

Not all murders target a specific person.

And not all rapes are random women.

Okay, and like I've said we're not going to agree on the subject, so I've moved on from it now. We're just going in circles.


What I am moving onto is how DO you feel on it? On a personal level.

 

[kineaesth]

I ****ing love it. I have gigabytes worth of shota and loli and I masturbate furiously to it every day, sometimes twice.

[edit] - I'm out, this thread just turned stupid(er) with that question.

 

[Absinthe]

If they had a collection of rape items yes. And remember investigate =/= prosecute

You know, there's movies out there that depict graphic rape of women. It's all fake and done consensually behind the scenes, but they're still portrayed as screaming, unwilling victims of sodomy. I believe there are actually a few series, with well-known names. And they're all legally manufactured and marketed as pornography. I believe it's referred to as "fantasy rape".

Good luck investigating every single person who has purchased these videos.

 

[CrazyHarij]

rakuraitenjin, you're a ****ing moron, thanks for letting me know not to bother with reading your idiocy ever again

 

[Emporius]

"First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

-Martin Niemoeller

 

[Calhoun]

Masturbating to images of child sex is probable cause to investigate for ACTUAL child sex.

Playing a videogame in which you shoot and kill people is clearly probable cause to investigate for ACTUAL plans to commit murder.

Uh oh. I think that's the majority of us under investigation.

I don't see how owning images of children that aren't real having sex is illegal or wrong, especially with all of the items that one can legally obtain in the United States. I guess it's time to fix the system if owning images of fake children having fake sex is worse than owning images or videos of real adults having real sex or even acting in a movie in a sex scene or rape scene and not actually having it happen.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Goddamnit. I was gonna post something serious, but Rakurai has single-handedly made this thread irreparably hilarious.

I think someone needs to give him some reading comprehension items.

 

[Calhoun]

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

If you people see anything wrong with somebody mentally who COLLECTS and IS AROUSED by images of children (drawn or not) then I don't know what to say. That's some ****ed up values is all.

 

[Jintor]

So long as he doesn't ****ing act on it, what's your deal?

I mean all of us here are ****ing virtual murderers.

We take ****ing pleasure in ****ing killing!

 

[delusional]

If you people see anything wrong with somebody mentally who COLLECTS and IS AROUSED by images of children (drawn or not) then I don't know what to say. That's some ****ed up values is all.

When we say there is nothing mentally wrong, we mean they generally don't have anything mentally wrong pertaining to their ability to decide whether or not to physically have sex with a child. I'm not going to object, if the guy faps to imaginary child porn in the privacy of his own home.

 

[Acepilotf14]

I do love me some death.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Masturbating to images of child sex is probable cause to investigate for ACTUAL child sex.

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