Furries Convention

[Darkside55]

Actually the only thing I know of Wordsworth is that quote from a screencap. I don't watch hentai anime, any hentai anime. They're all stupid. They exist only to be poked fun at or to creep people out.

I will concede the fact that yes, Wordsworth is a hentai anime with anthropomorphic characters. Horse guys, pig guys, bat women would be considered furry. Catgirls, depending on the extent to which they look like a cat, may or may not be considered furry. That artist I mentioned earlier, Po-Ju, who happens to be one of my favorite artists, he did a picture of a catboy's head that progressively got more and more furry. At first, with just cat ears as well as human ears, that was 5%. Full cat ears was 10%, the boy started taking on more cat-like facial features until his head was that of a cat's, 100%. I wish I could find that picture right now (I might even have it on HD) but I don't know where it is. Generally anything 5% wouldn't be considered furry. Anyway that's not the point.

The point is that when you have something like hentai, which is very broad, you're bound to have genres bleed over into each other. I mean it's not even with hentai, that's with everything. We're on a gaming forum, so let's look at games. You've got FPS elements in an RPG, RTS elements in an FPS, fighting game elements in a puzzle game. Crossover happens. I never said it didn't. What I'm trying to point out here is that you seem to be confusing styles with genre.

Anime and manga are huge cultural influences in Japan. Everyone from very young children to adult businessmen read them, watch them, see the style. The style of anime is very prevalent in Japanese culture. So naturally, most drawings that come out of Japan are done in...an anime style! Therefore, when a Japanese artist does furry it looks distinctly Japanese. I think that's what's confusing you. Since some furry content has an anime look to it, you're equating it with hentai.

That doesn't make it hentai though. It's a different genre completely, and thus it's labeled something different. It's not called "furry hentai," it's called, "furry porn," or usually just "furry." Even the Japanese artists wouldn't call their furry work hentai (one of the main reasons being that that wouldn't even be the proper word in their language--they'd probably use "ero"). Don't get bogged down by someone's style. It's the genre that's important. Furry is a very large category in itself that includes many subsets of fetishes, the same with hentai. They're similar entities in that they're both large genres, but they aren't the same thing.

Bugs bunny is a furry

Hahaha. That's great.

Ninja edit: Naivety of youth wasn't meant to bolster my claim, or as an insult. I was referring to both of us anyway. It's a joke; please don't take this conversation very seriously, I never said you weren't educated or anything of the sort. I'm not the type to do that unless the person I'm talking with is some kinda super idiot, or I'm just joking around.

You're a likable guy, Raziaar; please don't get any bad blood over things like that that I say. It's not a serious conversation. Cheers, again.

 

[Raziaar]

Are you denying bugs bunny is not a furry? He's used in the definition of it. lol

Therefore, when a Japanese artist does furry it looks distinctly Japanese. I think that's what's confusing you. Since some furry content has an anime look to it, you're equating it with hentai.

Do you not read what i'm saying? I'm not talking about other artists, or ametuer artists drawing furry characters and calling it hentai. I'm saying there are JAPANESE HENTAI ARTISTS who are creating and labelling their work as hentai, which contain furry characters within them, who engage in sexual activity! Wordsworth is one of the very popular japanese hentai's i've read, and thats why I use it as an example. As proof there are furry elements in Japanese hentai, and that's all i've been saying. It's called hentai. Not furry hentai, but I only called it that because it contains furry characters within it that confine to the definition of the label. It's a description of the fact that in some of the products, it contains it. Furry is not a genre, it is as you said... a style, and that style is evident in many hentai's.

The point is that when you have something like hentai, which is very broad, you're bound to have genres bleed over into each other. I mean it's not even with hentai, that's with everything.

You just proved my point here. This is what i've been saying, except the fact that furry isn't a genre, its a style. And that style has the potential to be prevailant in many styles of artwork, and it is in fact, used in quite a few hentai's, thus supporting my claim that there are hentai's with 'furries' in them.

Case closed <bangs his fist to his desk>

Where's my gavel? Damnit.

EDIT: i'm not offended or taking this too seriously. I'm just debating.

 

[Dasparov]

Bugs bunny is a furry

Man disney are sick!

 

[Raziaar]

This is from wikipedia.

Famous Examples

Within the accepted usage of "furry", Roger Rabbit, Bugs Bunny, and Mickey Mouse are "funny animals": they are anthropomorphic, mostly behave like people, and can be considered to be the cartoon equivalents of character actors. In addition, Usagi Yojimbo, Omaha the Cat Dancer, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (even though turtles don't have fur), and the characters of Father of the Pride are furries. They are generally more "realistic" in appearance than the funny animals and behave more like hybrids of humans and animals. They are sapient "people" as much as any well-limned fictional characters, but they aren't presented as animals for laughs. For example, the rabbit characters in Richard Adams' novel Watership Down are sentient and talk to each other, but their behaviour and psychology is very closely derived from that observed in real-life rabbits. Other furries are not so closely tied to their animal characteristics, but a degree of serious consideration is almost always given to this aspect of their characterization. Andre Norton's Breed to Come, Brian Jacques' Redwall series, and Steven Boyett's The Architect of Sleep are other examples of novels featuring furries, as is Paul Kidd's Fangs of K'aath, which has been cited as a source of inspiration for many people to create furry works.

EDIT: And to add further truth to the fact that Japanese culture is well aware of and acknowledge these creatures, I give to you...

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Usagi Yojimbo (うさぎ用心棒 or 兎用心棒, translation: "Rabbit Bodyguard") is a comic book series created by Stan Sakai. Set in the beginning of Edo period Japan (early 17th century), where humans are replaced by anthropomorphic animals, it features a rabbit ronin, Miyamoto Usagi, who wanders the land on a shogyusha (warrior's pilgrimage) occasionally selling his services as a bodyguard. The character of Usagi has been inspired by the famous swordsman Miyamoto Musashi.

The books consist of short stories, with underlying larger plotlines. The stories include many references to Japanese history and folklore, and sometimes include mythical creatures. The architecture, clothes, weapons, and other objects are drawn with faithfullness to the period's style. There are often stories whose purpose to illustrate various elements of Japanese arts and crafts, such as the fashioning of kites, swords, and pottery.

Usagi first appeared in the anthology Albedo Anthropomorphics, and later in the Fantagraphics Books anthropomorphic anthology Critters, before appearing in his own series. The Usagi Yojimbo series has been published by three different companies. The first publisher was Fantagraphics (volume one; 38 regular issues, plus one Summer Special and four Color Specials), the second was Mirage Comics (volume two; 16 issues), and the third is Dark Horse Comics, at which Usagi Yojimbo is still being published (as volume three).

Usagi has also appeared several times in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (the comic, the animated series, and the toy line), and the Turtles have appeared in the Usagi Yojimbo series as well.

 

[Tr0n]

Wtf?

Why you guys debating whats furry and whats not? lol Who cares?!?!

 

[Dasparov]

Hahahaha

Cheers for the link, i always knew i wasn't alone :frog:

 

[Darkside55]

Motion to reopen the case on grounds that the judge does not know what he's talking about, and cannot even find his gavel.

You keep saying there are Japanese artists calling their work hentai, despite the fact I've repeatedly said that's the wrong word, despite the fact that you've provided one instance when I have provided five, and I can provide SEVERAL more artists who wouldn't label their furry stuff hentai. There aren't "furry elements" in Japanese hentai; there's crossover. Having furry elements would mean something of the genre was reflected in hentai. It isn't.

Alright, I'll give you another example since you're so hung up about Japanese artists doing furry work. Juubaori Mashumaro (pen name which means, "man who is a marshmellow"), who may possibly be my favorite artist of all time, did an incredible work called "Alice 1st," and the continuation, "Alice 2nd." It was based off Alice in Wonderland, and therefore had female versions of the white rabbit (Usa-chan) and the Cheshire Cat (Chesya).
Remember what I said earlier about "furry percentages"? Usa-chan was 10%, so she wouldn't have been considered an anthropomorphic character. Chesya, on the other hand, would have been maybe 75-85%, definately anthropomorphic. Now, do you think Juubaori considered this furry or hentai?

Despite the percent to which Chesya was catlike, she would not have been considered furry. She's regarded as a straight-up H character, anthropomorphism not withstanding.

This is because, like I said, furry is not a style. Anthropomorphic characters of themselves are not furries because they can stand upright and talk. Bugs Bunny has been in erotic CONTENT (Biohazard's artwork makes me laugh), but he's not a furry in actuality. In fact, he's a toon! That's a genre too, grouped together with parody art based off of Western cartoons and comic books. It's a very small genre though because it only deals specifically with that subject, and any sub-fetishes that people draw out of it are at their own whim.

A genre is defined as a category that encompasses a particular content. The style that content is drawn in is irrelevant in the face of the content itself. I could paint an apple orange, but it still wouldn't be an orange.

Hentai is a genre. You've got your straight hentai, ecchi, yuri, yaoi, loli, shota, futa, bondage, guro, tentacles, a lot of other weird fetishes, lots of stuff.

Furry is a genre. You've got your straight furry, lesbian/gay furry, macro, vore, herm, unbirthing...lots of other stuff.

BTW, Dasparov, Bugs Bunny is Warner Brothers, not Disney.

 

[Raziaar]

Wtf?

Why you guys debating whats furry and whats not? lol Who cares?!?!

I like debating. Heh. Maybe this debate should go in the 'stupidest debates you've ever had' thread that I created a while back


EDIT: Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. We've drifted way far off topic.

 

[Darkside55]

The sad thing is this probably wouldn't be the stupidest debate I've ever had. The things that can be debated in my clan's IRC channel can be staggeringly useless, pointless, and whoever's opinion comes out on top will never benefit man in any way.

 

[Dasparov]

Motion to reopen the case on grounds that the judge does not know what he's talking about, and cannot even find his gavel.

You keep saying there are Japanese artists calling their work hentai, despite the fact I've repeatedly said that's the wrong word, despite the fact that you've provided one instance when I have provided five, and I can provide SEVERAL more artists who wouldn't label their furry stuff hentai. There aren't "furry elements" in Japanese hentai; there's crossover. Having furry elements would mean something of the genre was reflected in hentai. It isn't.

Alright, I'll give you another example since you're so hung up about Japanese artists doing furry work. Juubaori Mashumaro (pen name which means, "man who is a marshmellow"), who may possibly be my favorite artist of all time, did an incredible work called "Alice 1st," and the continuation, "Alice 2nd." It was based off Alice in Wonderland, and therefore had female versions of the white rabbit (Usa-chan) and the Cheshire Cat (Chesya).
Remember what I said earlier about "furry percentages"? Usa-chan was 10%, so she wouldn't have been considered an anthropomorphic character. Chesya, on the other hand, would have been maybe 75-85%, definately anthropomorphic. Now, do you think Juubaori considered this furry or hentai?

Despite the percent to which Chesya was catlike, she would not have been considered furry. She's regarded as a straight-up H character, anthropomorphism not withstanding.

This is because, like I said, furry is not a style. Anthropomorphic characters of themselves are not furries because they can stand upright and talk. Bugs Bunny has been in erotic CONTENT (Biohazard's artwork makes me laugh), but he's not a furry in actuality. In fact, he's a toon! That's a genre too, grouped together with parody art based off of Western cartoons and comic books. It's a very small genre though because it only deals specifically with that subject, and any sub-fetishes that people draw out of it are at their own whim.

A genre is defined as a category that encompasses a particular content. The style that content is drawn in is irrelevant in the face of the content itself. I could paint an apple orange, but it still wouldn't be an orange.

Hentai is a genre. You've got your straight hentai, ecchi, yuri, yaoi, loli, shota, futa, bondage, guro, tentacles, a lot of other weird fetishes, lots of stuff.

Furry is a genre. You've got your straight furry, lesbian/gay furry, macro, vore, herm, unbirthing...lots of other stuff.

You know your stuff!

BTW, Dasparov, Bugs Bunny is Warner Brothers, not Disney.

I knew that, i was just testing you

 

[Danimal]

I got that friggen cow image stuck in my head since last night. Curse you, Raziaar.

 

[Raziaar]

I got that friggen cow image stuck in my head since last night. Curse you, Raziaar.

You remember that episode of family guy, where Peter and Brian are in the bar, and brian tells peter there's someone checking him out?

He looks over, and its a giant female bird, rubbing herself after licking her lips. Hahahha. Get that image out of your head now!

 

[Danimal]

I don't remember that...

 

[pr0nking]

Seriously if those people have kids they're gonna be so ****ed up, it would like having parents who dressed up as animé characters or something that just leads to teenage suicides.

 

[Danimal]

The RSPCA would steal the kids and raise them until they are able to live in the wild on thier own, then is the moment when they are realeased back into the forest/jungle/desert/orphanage/outer space/ocean.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Wow, and should I have expected anything different from a HalfLife2 community?

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk ... you guys watched that CSI Episode way too much. Were hardly like that ... infact, were NOT at all like that.

 

[Darkside55]

Let's be fair, Kerberos, some of you are like that. Most of you aren't, but some of you are the stereotypes people on the internet portray furries as. Some of you aren't though, to your credit.

In fact I just recently read a funny comic about a rat-man who encountered one of those hyperactive, yiffy-type furries. The rat freaked out and clobbered him. So there you go, not all furries are like that.

And I don't know why you're saying, "should I have expected anything different from a Half-Life 2 community?"; most people here seemed to say, "If that's what they like, let them be." Only a few people said, "Furries scare me." And then from page three to seven it was just me and my cow buddy here debating whether furry is hentai or not. So I don't know what you're referring to about this community...this community hasn't said one bad thing about furries. Not like my home message boards (not going to name-drop); you would've been reamed.

And see? I'm not even going to post the obvious insult off of that, or post something from my cavernous img-macro folder. Enormous restraint, I tell you. This is a good community, here.

 

[Raziaar]

And then from page three to seven it was just me and my cow buddy here debating whether furry is hentai or not.

No no no no. The debate on whether there IS furry hentai or not, as in... hentai with furry classified characters. Not characters WITH fur, mind you. Furry characters.

Not whether furry is hentai or not. I know furry in itself isn't hentai. That wasn't what was debated. lol.

 

[Darkside55]

That's not what we were debating? Well that's an anthropomorphic horse of a different color!

I vote we have a debate on what we really were debating. What say you?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Let's be fair, Kerberos, some of you are like that. Most of you aren't, but some of you are the stereotypes people on the internet portray furries as. Some of you aren't though, to your credit.

You laugh at us all, right?

 

[Danimal]

I used to know a furry (I didn't know he wasa furry). He was cool as a person, but we never talked after a while...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Bwahahaha ... yea.

 

[Darkside55]

You laugh at us all, right?

Oh, I never said that. I have nothing against furries at all. Would a guy like me who knows about the VCL have something wrong with furries?

 

[Maxi]

*looks at CB's nickname*

Hey badger...how you doin? :naughty:

Haha omg... I laughed so hard, my chocolate milk almost came through my nose

Hey badger want to... erm... hang out ?

(Kana is finnish for chicken)

 

[Bad^Hat]

I know a few people who are into this stuff through MSN (minus the furry cosplay... oh wait, can I call it cosplay or am I gonna start another debate? ). They're really open about it, and it's really not that big of a deal once you have it spelt out in black and white.

 

[Tr0n]

As the saying goes...

Death before cosplay.

 

[Darkside55]

You're saying something against cosplay?! Why I oughtta...I oughtta do absolutely nothing.

Cosplay's just fine as long as you're good-looking. Just fine indeed.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Like Francesca Dani. Mmmhmm.

 

[Qonfused]

...

What the hell.

 

[Vegeta897]

rofl

Most disturbing thread revival award.

 

[Llama]

Well **** me with a rubber spoon, for once I have no smartarse remark to those 4 comments except

"...."

 

[Llama]

:|:|:|

 

[Qonfused]

LOL. Rofl, omg.

 

[Qonfused]

...

...

Well, there's always Veggie.

 

[Lucid]

Dot dot dot.

Hairless wins the WTF Award!

 

[Boogymanx]

In before ban. :|

 

[Vegeta897]

I wonder if this will go down in HL2.net history.

 

[Yuri]

oh my,
my little white fluffy tail is encrouching my crotch

Screw you for making Mr. Reak was back, along with many members that were cool. >:[

 

[Llama]

Yeah, why hasnt his account been nuked yet? X_X

 

[Vegeta897]

Screw you for making Mr. Reak was back, along with many members that were cool. >:[

Yes. And for making me recoil in fear at the sight of a guest posting!