Gay pride week

[CrazyHarij]

I don't see any single logic reason to have any kind of dislike towards homosexuality, except perhaps that you personally wouldn't want to practise it.

Mind your own ****ing business and leave the rest of humanity to do whatever they want. If you believe in some silly fairy tale appealing to futile desires and hopes of the human psyche, you do so, and if that fairy tale claims some people are going to be worse off than you because they don't act like you do, why should you care about them in this moment when you've got the eternal glory of heaven waiting?

Just because you find something disgusting doesn't make it a valid object of banning or hunting down the practitioners of it.

I find smoking disgusting and it's unnatural, should we ban it for that reason? Humanity wasn't meant to die choking, so that must mean it's not the ways of god?

If god creates people with certain desires, both the ones apparent in every single human being and those latent in some of us, and judges them and sends them off to an eternity of suffering, he is a hypocrit.

Eternity is a long time, fellas. Should you be spending that eternity suffering endlessly just because you didn't follow the ways of christianity, perhaps because a christian gave you a bad view of it?

"This book tells me everything I have to do, if I do this I can feel better than everyone else who doesn't because they will suffer endlessly while I have an eternity of happiness waiting."

The above can be applied to any religion or sect.

I just fail to see why anyone in their right mind would buy this piece of crap when our subconscious minds are frighteningly gullible to these sorts of things.

Ah well, you're allowed to believe whatever you want but like I said, mind your own ****ing business when you do it.

Cheers to Cptstern and the rest of you defending the little intelligence there is in humanity.

 

[gh0st]

So you think that men should be able to marry women but women shouldn't be able to marry women? Sexist?

...i was using it as an example. man is easier to type than woman :stare:

how can you compare a man to a goat? If someone kills a goat should it he be charged for murder? In a gay marrage it's 2 people who love eachother and want to spend the rest of their lives together. If the goat was a human it whould be rape.

I love a billy goat, and it loves me. Who are you to tell me otherwise. Currently in some states sodomy is against the law, does that make homosexuality wrong?

Do you believe that God made the world in 6 days? That's well over 2000 years old.

No

Indians (native Americans) 2000 years ago openly accepted gays

:dozey: but not women?!1 SEXIST LOL?! look where they ended up, lets be honest.

Do you believe that the Sun orbits the world, that was over 2000 years worth of thinking.

somehow scientific fact now compares with a cultural reality? why even bother comparing the two? yes, wow, we werent born from the womb with vast interstellar knowledge. google "gay inventors". they werent the ones that made electricity or actually discovered the earth was round, so your point is completely irrelevant.

Or do you think that men are supierior to women in every way?

whats this got to do with anything? your gender doesnt make you superior, just as your sexuality and race dont make you superior.

 

[CptStern]

a billy goat cant give consent? sure he can. all he has to have is that twinkle in his eye..

again no basis in reality ...but it's nice you compare homosexuality with raping an animal how enlightened of you

human rights "says so"? where does human rights "say" something? hell even the UN's almost universally agreed upon human rights charter says nothing about two men being able to marry. sorry, but i think that human rights are "saying" stuff in your mind might want to get that checked out.

same sex marriage is an undeniable human right according to many governments including canada ..international human rights says:

"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world"


"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

i appologize for not being as free thinking as you are. because i adhere to the principles of 2000 years of human thought i am backwards. since i am backwards, so must be thomas jefferson, julius caesar, and everyone else who has not faught for homosexual rights.

those 2000 years brought about the inquisition, salem witch trials, countless genocides and for over half that period most people believed the world is flat ...ya so I can understand how you would use the past to come to that conclusion ....get with the times

 

[ríomhaire]

Or do you think that men are supierior to women in every way?

whats this got to do with anything? your gender doesnt make you superior, just as your sexuality and race dont make you superior.

i adhere to the principles of 2000 years of human thought

It was a belief that was over 2000 years old.

 

[gh0st]

again no basis in reality ...but it's nice you compare homosexuality with raping an animal how enlightened of you

its not rape. the goat and i love each other. since our relationship is based entirely upon sex, who are you to dictate whether or not we love each other. im not equating homosexuality with "raping" an animal, i'm just saying that you have no right to say billy goat doesnt love me and i dont love it. why shouldnt we be able to get married? because he cant sign a form? sodomy is illegal in places too, does that mean homosexuality is wrong?

"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world"

Right... dont see gay marriage anywhere. You fail to realize that marriage is not a "right", there are certain qualifications for it.

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

and this applies to marriage how? if you used this idiotic logic, and pulled it out to its absolute extreme (which is what you are doing), then we would have women serving on the front lines in our military, fat people running marathons, black people in the KKK. and hey, using this logic why cant my billy goat and i get married? surely he cannot be descriminated against for any of those reasons.

those 2000 years brought about the inquisition, salem witch trials, countless genocides and for over half that period most people believed the world is flat ...ya so I can understand how you would use the past to come to that conclusion ....get with the times

and you dont think humanity will continue to do stupid things in the future? harhar yes, the past 2000 years are going to be absolute butter because we have gay men humping each other legally in marriage. whoopee.

It was a belief that was over 2000 years old.

to whom? not to me.

 

[ríomhaire]

its not rape. the goat and i love each other. since our relationship is based entirely upon sex, who are you to dictate whether or not we love each other. im not equating homosexuality with "raping" an animal, i'm just saying that you have no right to say billy goat doesnt love me and i dont love it. why shouldnt we be able to get married? because he cant sign a form? sodomy is illegal in places too, does that mean homosexuality is wrong?

You are completely dodging the point and you know it. And how can you tell that an animal loves you? As far as you know animals don't fell love (I think that love is exclusinve to fully-sentient secies)

Right... dont see gay marriage anywhere. You fail to realize that marriage is not a "right", there are certain qualifications for it.

Marriage is a vow bonding 2 people who love eachother and swearing that they will spend the rest of their lives together. Although it has been perverted now with all this sharing properties 50/50 laws.

and this applies to marriage how? if you used this idiotic logic, and pulled it out to its absolute extreme (which is what you are doing), then we would have women serving on the front lines in our military, fat people running marathons, black people in the KKK. and hey, using this logic why cant my billy goat and i get married? surely he cannot be descriminated against for any of those reasons.

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world

to whom? not to me.

You are just contradicting yourself now.

 

[gh0st]

You are completely dodging the point and you know it. And how can you tell that an animal loves you? As far as you know animals don't fell love (I think that love is exclusinve to fully-sentient secies)

prove that billy goat cant love me. as far as you know, you dont know shit about what billy goat is thinking.

you are just contradicting yourself now.

No i'm not. i'm part of the human family arent i, why should i just be able to do "whatever the hell i want" and get married to a goat? the thing says you cant discriminate based upon

without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

billy goat has a race, goat, a color, white, a sex, male, a language, loud yelling, he's agnostic, he's a democrat, and he is another option: a goat. he is american, he is not property. his status is single. any more questions? he completely belongs on the list.

 

[ríomhaire]

You obviously won't listen and are dodging points and talking absolute concentrate shit to do it.

 

[gh0st]

You obviously won't listen and are dodging points and talking absolute concentrate shit to do it.

i accept your concession, thanks for making it easy.

 

[ríomhaire]

i accept your concession, thanks for making it easy.

You sound like you agree with me.

 

[CptStern]

its not rape. the goat and i love each other. since our relationship is based entirely upon sex, who are you to dictate whether or not we love each other.

stop being an idiot...animals do not have the same capacity to love as a human does ...you could never prove that the goat is in love with you but common sense proves that an animal cant love in the same way a human could

im not equating homosexuality with "raping" an animal,

yes you do:

"if you get to marry another man i get to marry a billy goat and sodomize it all i want."

that's a direct comparison

i'm just saying that you have no right to say billy goat doesnt love me and i dont love it.

look just because you failed basic biology and cant distinguish between an animal and a human doesnt mean that love between both species is equal ...man has the capacity to rerason (in most cases, although after having spent over a year here, I'm starting to question that assertation)

why shouldnt we be able to get married? because he cant sign a form?

just because you're on the bottom feeder level of the intelligence scale does it mean your words carry an weight ...my 18 month old son can tell the difference between a human and an animal ...why is it so hard for you to do the same? this is the problem, your intellect is at the basest of levels you rely purely on instinct very little rationalism zero on basic principles on the state of being human ...read some plato voltaire, socretes or any other philosophers because we're more than just a collection of firing sypnases.

sodomy is illegal in places too, does that mean homosexuality is wrong?

does that mean heterosexuality is wrong? because many straight people have anal sex

Right... dont see gay marriage anywhere. You fail to realize that marriage is not a "right", there are certain qualifications for it.

again this is the problem ..everything is a reaction to you ..there's absolutely no lateral thinking on your part


"equal rights" ...what does that mean to you?

and this applies to marriage how? if you used this idiotic logic, and pulled it out to its absolute extreme (which is what you are doing), then we would have women serving on the front lines in our military, fat people running marathons, black people in the KKK. and hey, using this logic why cant my billy goat and i get married? surely he cannot be descriminated against for any of those reasons.

I get tired of trying to explain basic concepts to you ...it's like you've just arrived from a deserte4d island and your mind is a blank slate


"equal and inalienable rights "

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms "


lateral thinking ghost, give it a try: equal rights = no set rights for each group, EVERYBODY is equal

prove that billy goat cant love me. as far as you know, you dont know shit about what billy goat is thinking

seriously are you that stupid?


animal doesnt have the same capacity to love as a human does therefore the love between species is NOT equal

 

[Glirk Dient]

Can I legally marry 50 wives?

Why not...I am a person who loves too!

Don't pull the everyone is entitles to equal rights thing. It doesn't work when marriage is a Privelage.

Marriage benefits are another incentive to create a family, whether or not the couple chooses to...it is still an incentive to stay together and maybe some day make a family. Gay couples are not able to instill family values into a child when half of the parenting model is missing.

 

[Solaris]

Why should gay people be denyied that priveallage?

 

[Glirk Dient]

Why should they be allowed that privelage? They can't have kids nor create a family environment to raise a child. Can't they be happy they are allowed to be together? Do they need money to be happy? They don't need tax breaks to be happy.

 

[Solaris]

Nor do straight people but they can be married.


Gay people getting married doesnt harm you at all, but it makes them happy. So I say let them get married.

 

[gh0st]

stop being an idiot...animals do not have the same capacity to love as a human does ...you could never prove that the goat is in love with you but common sense proves that an animal cant love in the same way a human could

You can never prove that the goat is not in love with me. Just like I could never prove to you that I love my mom.

yes you do:

"if you get to marry another man i get to marry a billy goat and sodomize it all i want."

that's a direct comparison

haha, no its not... i just like using the word sodomize, its a good word. your the one making the connection, not i.

look just because you failed basic biology and cant distinguish between an animal and a human doesnt mean that love between both species is equal ...man has the capacity to rerason (in most cases, although after having spent over a year here, I'm starting to question that assertation)

Why are you comparing homosexuality to beastiality? sickening, really.

just because you're on the bottom feeder level of the intelligence scale does it mean your words carry an weight ...my 18 month old son can tell the difference between a human and an animal ...why is it so hard for you to do the same? this is the problem, your intellect is at the basest of levels you rely purely on instinct very little rationalism zero on basic principles on the state of being human ...read some plato voltaire, socretes or any other philosophers because we're more than just a collection of firing sypnases.

So, to answer my quote, you took 100 words just to call me stupid? Nice.

does that mean heterosexuality is wrong? because many straight people have anal sex

yeah, many heterosexuals also procreate.

again this is the problem ..everything is a reaction to you ..there's absolutely no lateral thinking on your part

You want me to pass the ball to either side? God this is just a game to you isnt it.

"equal rights" ...what does that mean to you?

It means me and billy goat have just as many rights as mr and mr stern.

I get tired of trying to explain basic concepts to you ...it's like you've just arrived from a deserte4d island and your mind is a blank slate


"equal and inalienable rights "

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms "


lateral thinking ghost, give it a try: equal rights = no set rights for each group, EVERYBODY is equal

Right. everyone has those freedoms. including me. now tell me why i cant marry a goat or 100 wives or 100 husbands.. or maybe some children. ohh yes, children. i love a 14 year old, its easy to prove that they love me... are they discarded from your human rights because they arent old enough to appreciate them?

animal doesnt have the same capacity to love as a human does therefore the love between species is NOT equal

lala cant prove it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

dear god, I'm am constantly being ignored ignored :

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. Still, it seems really innapporpriate to be parading about sexuality. It's good that you CAN, but keep that in the privacy of your homes geeze. They could make it relationship day or something.

actual sex? penetration? fellatio? I find that hard to believe ...sure nudity and mabe heavy petting but I cant see them openly engaging in sex without police intervening

I don't know since I wasn't there but the accounts I heard from people who were there was yes, sex in the streets. (That is San Francisco though and a lot of people just don't care, plus the city ordnances on obscenity are very lax there) The nudity and heavy petting is just not good for a PUBLIC PARADE either (gay or straight or whatever someone is they should do that in private)

well as I've already proven gay pride is about celebrating your right to be gay but you're right it's none of your business

Yeah. I'm glad there are no parades here though. That's not meant as an anti gay remark, either, I'm a friend to a couple gay people, the whole concept of a parade based on sex just seems wrong on a moral level to me.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Nor do straight people but they can be married.


Gay people getting married doesnt harm you at all, but it makes them happy. So I say let them get married.

Why can't people marry 10 wives? It will make them happy.

It is because our society has values and marriage isn't something to throw around for whichever perverted person wants to marry something out of the norm.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Why can't people marry 10 wives? It will make them happy.

It is because our society has values and marriage isn't something to throw around for whichever perverted person wants to marry something out of the norm.

Homosexuals have just as much right to ruin there lives in failed marriages as any heterosexuals.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Why should they be allowed that privelage? They can't have kids nor create a family environment to raise a child.

Bullshit. Ask any single mom or dad raising their kid if they can create an environment to raise a kid.

In fact, I've been raised by my mother alone since I was 4.

Two parents of the same sex can create a perfect environment, the kid will be used to it as well and probably better since birth than those whose parents get divorced and have to adapt to a parent of only one sex.

 

[Absinthe]

I think that is a lot of the problem that people have with homosexual men, the vast majority of gay men live very normal lives without dressing up as women and without wearing leather, bondage outfits and without having a really camp persona, but this small minority of gay people who do might give a bad generalisation to all gay people in the eyes of a lot of people.

There's also a small percentage of straight people that are pedophiles, murderers, rapists, and so forth. Do we embarce a generalization that says all straight people are sick ****s?

No, we don't. I'm not saying that you embrace the generalized stereotype that homosexuals are sickos. But I hope you realize that such a generalization is only born from the status quo's refusal to accept such a lifestyle. Bigotry is not an excuse.

a billy goat cant give consent? sure he can. all he has to have is that twinkle in his eye..

You realize that your comparison is absurd and invalid, right?

human rights "says so"? where does human rights "say" something? hell even the UN's almost universally agreed upon human rights charter says nothing about two men being able to marry. sorry, but i think that human rights are "saying" stuff in your mind might want to get that checked out.

i appologize for not being as free thinking as you are. because i adhere to the principles of 2000 years of human thought i am backwards. since i am backwards, so must be thomas jefferson, julius caesar, and everyone else who has not faught for homosexual rights.

Same with 2000 years of human thought that believed there was nothing wrong with slavery, killing your spouse out of suspicion, and burning witches, am i rite?

I would like to think that the human race is a progressive species, rather than a stagnant, ridiculous, and stubborn race of beasts.

I love a billy goat, and it loves me. Who are you to tell me otherwise.

Who is the goat to say otherwise? A concept to think about: consent.

You can never prove that the goat is not in love with me.

Nor can you prove that the goat is in love with you. Touche.

Can I legally marry 50 wives?

Why not...I am a person who loves too!

So long as the women love you back and are willing to be part of such a relationship, sure. I have no problem with polygamy.

It is because our society has values and marriage isn't something to throw around for whichever perverted person wants to marry something out of the norm.

Why should you care? So long as all partners are willing, what's the issue?

Oh right. You've been brought up with archaic "morals" that are based in tradition rather than logical arguments. Excuse me if I'm wrong on this assumption.

Don't pull the everyone is entitles to equal rights thing. It doesn't work when marriage is a Privelage.

Wether or not a privilege is irrelevant. All I need to ask is why homosexual couples don't have that privilege.

Marriage benefits are another incentive to create a family, whether or not the couple chooses to...it is still an incentive to stay together and maybe some day make a family. Gay couples are not able to instill family values into a child when half of the parenting model is missing.

In most homosexual relationships, one member takes on the mother role. And there is no evidence to support dysfunctionality in children raised by homosexuals. At least not any more than there is in children raised by straights.

So let's break it down.

Gays can raise children.
Gays can stay together.

Where's the issue?

Why should they be allowed that privelage? They can't have kids nor create a family environment to raise a child. Can't they be happy they are allowed to be together? Do they need money to be happy? They don't need tax breaks to be happy.

They can adopt and raise children. Can they be happy without tax breaks? Sure. Same goes for many straight couples. So why are they automatically given tax breaks?

 

[Locust]

I love my family too, does that mean I can marry them. What about children? Can I marry them too? It is my inherent right to marry whoever I want and have sex with them if there is love.

 

[CrazyHarij]

I love my family too, does that mean I can marry them. What about children? Can I marry them too? It is my inherent right to marry whoever I want and have sex with them if there is love.

No offense, but..

You realize that your comparison is absurd and invalid, right?

 

[outpost]

You guys are ****ing idiots

 

[Locust]

Face the facts-gays are out like sauerkraut.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Face the facts-gays are out like sauerkraut.

Oh yeah, you're really convincing us now with your well thought-out logical reasons.

 

[Ennui]

Agreed, I'm not one to flame generally... but everyone posting against gay marriage this thread is talking a load of bollocks.

And Locust, you're a massive fucktard.

 

[Feath]

It's uncensored because the forums agree.

 

[Absinthe]

Face the facts-gays are out like sauerkraut.

I'm convinced. I'm going to go to sleep and rethink my life right now. Next time I see a gay, I'll stab him in the face.

 

[Absinthe]

And Locust, you're a massive fucktard.

Ahh... Good ol' forum workarounds.

 

[Ennui]

I figured it was worth the risk of an irate moderator, but most of them seem to agree anyway.

 

[Absinthe]

Thing is, it's never worked for me before. Strange...

 

[dream431ca]

I like to add this to the thread :naughty:

http://www.airfarce.com/video/041112jh.ram

 

[Locust]

Just cause I don't like homosexuality doesn't mean u guys have to hate me. Gosh

 

[Ennui]

Just cause I don't like homosexuality doesn't mean u guys have to hate me. Gosh

No, stop talking.

 

[Tr0n]

Go kill yourself also.

 

[operative x]

The two things that I am not too... "keen" on about gays are:
1. They can't provide a well rounded home for a child like a man and women can provide. Imagine having 2 easy going moms (although some moms are very strict, but usually most moms are the more sensitive parent than the dad's) then you have a kid that turns out to be a weakling. Or you have 2 strict fathers (again, some fathers are more easy going than moms, but usually dads are the more strict parent) then you get this kid who turns out to be too violent. Kids need both a "father figure" one that is strict and a "Mother figure" which is the more loving and easy going parent, which puts a nice blend into the child that allows them to be careing, yet tough too. IMO thats why we have alot of weirdos in the world because the child doesn't get a nice "mixture" of both parents. Look at Stalin for example, he was beat by his dad, had a very strict mom, so when he grew up he had lots of hatred and violence in him. He had too much of a strict father, and a tough mom.

2. Our bodies weren't made for same sex partners.

Although some people may say a problem with gays are that they cant reproduce, i think that its actually a good thing, we have too many freaking people in this world already. The last thing we need is more people burning gasoline, eating thousands of pounds of meat and wheat each year. Now i am not the type of person to "hate" another person for believing in something else, we have enough hate in this world as is. I have respect for everyone because where all humans on one earth, whether your white, black, mexican, muslim, christian or whatever, i think we should all have respect for each other because we are all in the same boat, but i do not condone it.

My 0.02

 

[Absinthe]

There's been no conclusive evidence supporting the idea that a gay couple can't raise a child.

As for gay's not being able to reproduce... So what? The majority of the world is heterosexual and we are currently suffering from overpopulation. It's not like homosexuality - something that's been around for ages and in other species - is going to threaten our lifeline.

 

[operative x]

Did you even read what i posted?

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, I was just speaking in general.