Genn Beck wants to abolish public schools? LOL wat?

This guy's just a troll. We know it, He knows it, too bad some dumb shits out there don't.
 
Rizzo said:
This guy's just a troll. We know it, He knows it, too bad some dumb shits out there don't.
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You mean his followers? Heh

You know, he kind of reminds me of Richard Bastion from GTA IV's WKTT talk show, who basically is nothing more than a caricature of Glenn Beck himself.
 
I think Glenn Beck secretly laughs at his listeners, and also feels very sad for America.




That said, America should abolish public schools. From what I've seen, they serve no purpose. :p
 
15357 said:
I think Glenn Beck secretly laughs at his listeners, and also feels very sad for America.




That said, America should abolish public schools. From what I've seen, they serve no purpose. :p
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True, America's public school's mostly suck, However, the education system needs an overhaul, not abolition. If people think things are bad now, just wait until the nation is filled with people who have no education at all! At least kids in the US today can read and write.

I personally think US schools aren't strict enough and the curriculum here is balls. Not enough math and science. Almost every family I know around here these days struggle to keep their kids in some kind of private school where they can have at least some modicum of education, and every single one is going broke trying to keep them there. It's a shame really.

My 2 nephews who have been attending private school up until 6th grade are going to have to go to what public school is dubbed, "gladiator school" around here because their parents can no longer afford it. They call it that because violence and lack of discipline at this particular public school is so rampant and of course because they'll likely run into plenty of bullies along the way. Private school students are, "fresh meat" so to speak.
 
The Public School system is horrible but it's fixable.
 
I'm not too concerned, I mean Glenn Beck isn't really anybody of political significance or anything, it's just that he's got a studio and a microphone and that's dangerous enough imo. He can spew out whatever he wants in hopes that something will eventually stick to the wall and it's this sort of mentality the Republican's have been employing lately that concerns me.

It's like they don't even care who their constituents are anymore so long as they can get a foothold somewhere.

Keep spewing crap long enough and people who watch or listen to the news all the time will eventually start believing it.
 
I see where going with that and it's very slippery slope from there.
There have always been fringe groups and people with whacko views.
You can make fun of them and debunk their crazy shit but we cannot start regulating speech to that degree.


(in before the dumbass and his free speech zone picture.)
 
Dr.Demento said:
I'm not too concerned, I mean Glenn Beck isn't really anybody of political significance or anything, it's just that he's got a studio and a microphone and that's dangerous enough imo. He can spew out whatever he wants in hopes that something will eventually stick to the wall and it's this sort of mentality the Republican's have been employing lately that concerns me.

It's like they don't even care who their constituents are anymore so long as they can get a foothold somewhere.

Keep spewing crap long enough and people who watch or listen to the news all the time will eventually start believing it.
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Exactly. This is what I've been telling HL2.net for years. Now everyone thinks I'm a crazy fascist for suggesting we put people like Glenn Beck in "mental health centers" to take care of their "problems" with electroshock therapy.


Perhaps slightly more seriously, I don't believe that people should be able to destabilize society like this. Unfortunately, the modern democratic system, as one of its many failings, allow demagogues and loonies to take control or win the hearts of major portions of the population. Since we do have to live in a democratic society, maybe the only thing we can do is educate people from elementary schools to make sure they think the right way. As I've said (concerning the unreliability of an ignorant population when it comes to loyalty), "If they don't know how awesome you are because they can't read your awesome proclamations, what use is government?"

[The last statement was meant to be facetious, but I believe it touches on the subject. :p]

What is the role of public education? Primarily, it is to make sure that everyone is able to become a productive member of society. Listening to demagogues and conspiracy theorists like Glenn Beck and agreeing with them is not how you become a productive member of society.



In the end, Glenn Beck exists because the system - the State - lets him exist, I don't know if he's aware of that.

Edit: Also, how do you define "unAmerican"? That's a word that... confuses me so much.
 
I think the biggest problem with the education system is that parents don't seem to take enough interest in what their kids are doing.
 
15357 said:
Edit: Also, how do you define "unAmerican"? That's a word that... confuses me so much.
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"unAmerican" doesn't really exist. It's a word politicians try to use to show the public that the other guy is working against the common interest of the American people, which doesn't really make any sense.

It's one of those blanket terms which essentially means "the politician saying this doesn't like this policy/person".

In terms of public school failings, it really depends on where you are. For example, here in Northern VA where I live (Fairfax County), the public schools are better than many of the private schools around the country. It really depends on where you are, and of course the majority is going to be bad, but perhaps a cue can be taken from these successful schools.
 
He's crazy. The only people that care about him are crazy too. He's your average conservative whiner... except crazy... and instead of offering solutions he just adds crazy to crazy for a wonderful crazy sandwich. Then he shoves said sandwich down the throats of Americans hoping somoene says "man that was tolerable at some level," which he assumes is universal acclaim for his crazy ass bullshit.
 
It pains me, as it should you all, that this waste of carbon matter exists.
 
The big problem with public schools is the teacher's unions...
 
The Republicans seem determined to turn America into a third world country.
 
To foster competition in the private/charter schools, brah. God you guize never geddit.

Beck of late actual is not a Bush republican or conservative/neo-conservative at all as of late, don't make that mistake--he's preaching some kind of bizzare neo-libertarianism that makes NO GODDAMN SENSE. Oh, it's also going to probably be the dominant ideology of whatever the Republicans manage to scrape together in the next presidential race. yay. Luckily neither party runs on it's campaign laurels, so we're (sort of) fine, until someone actually gets itchy with a nuke.

He's just a guy who loves his country, ya'll.
 
Genn Beck, Glenn Beck's even eviler twin.
 
Eejit said:
Elaborate or gtfo.

Beck is some nutter.
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The unions are constantly wanting pay raises, even in times of economic depression, and refuse to let their members stay even 5 minutes later to help a student who could really use the assistance to keep from falling behind in class. If they don't get their way, they go on strike, making EVERY one of their members do it. Then nobody gets paid, and nobody gets an education.
 
Dr.Demento said:
Talk about political suicide.
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Except the state of the public's political naivety right now means that this ridiculous statement probably helped him. This man has been saying things like this for years, and in the past few years hes become one of the most watched pundits on television.

Though thankfully, it seems that his ratings are in fact dwindling. Hes still really popular with the crazier conservatives though.

Eejit said:
Elaborate or gtfo.
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No, really. The teacher unions here are absurd. There was a highschool in Rhode Island not too long ago that wanted to fire some of the shittiest teachers you'd ever heard of and revamp the school system to help their students get better help, and they couldnt do it. They wanted to fire some people, have longer school days, and have teachers stay after to help students who needed it. The union wouldn't agree to any of it, so the superintendent was pretty much forced to fire every single one of the teachers in order to improve the school.

Gallo had a choice among four federally guided models to propose for the Central Falls. Her first choice, and the one the teachers rejected, was the "transformation plan," which included such changes as lengthening the school day by 25 minutes, as well as required training for faculty members during the summer.
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They simply wouldn't accept working for 25 more minutes, getting refresher courses over the summer, and spending their lunch with students to help the ones in need. Thats how bad teacher unions are here.

When the teachers rejected the plan, upset that they would not be getting paid for working longer hours, Gallo said she had no choice but to shift from the "improvement" plan to a "turnaround" model.

The turnaround model, one of four developed by federal education guidelines, requires the superintendent to fire all of a school's teachers and rehire no more than 50 percent of them.

"My reaction was, shaken to the core," Gallo told ABC News' Providence affiliate ABC6, when the union's decision was made public.

"This is much more than I would have expected, that any union would play with the lives of 50 percent of its population."
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Teachers rejected the improvement plan because it only offered them an extra $30 per hour for the extra work required by the plan, according to the Providence Journal.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/rhode-island-school-fires-74-teachers/story?id=9911693
 
One thing that bugs me, wouldn't he be getting an A in stupidity? Getting an F would mean you weren't stupid and rather.. I don't know.
 
Acepilotf14 said:
One thing that bugs me, wouldn't he be getting an A in stupidity? Getting an F would mean you weren't stupid and rather.. I don't know.
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Don't blame him, he was probably a public school student.
 
I was, and continue to be at times, and will teach at, you guessed it: public schools. You're an idiot.
 
How many people here actually want to silence Glenn Beck?

He says ridiculous and completely insane things all the time, and it is completely awful that people actually take him seriously, but I am curious-- do people here (other than numbers) actually want to somehow forbid him from doing what he does?
 
Yes. Yes I do. I believe he's an idiotic, manipulative and disillusioned goon who has repeatedly proven himself entirely incompetent and downright uninformed. For the sake of my nation's health (haha) or perhaps just my own personal sanity, I'd like for Glenn to be off the air.

His ideas are NOT new they are NOT revelatory and he is not fostering some sort of political revolution. He's a paid member of a multi-billion dollar corporate broadcasting company and an entertainer who has taken fake punditry too far. It would be no loss. This is not to say Fox wouldn't find someone as equally "controversial" (read: idiotic) to fill his... white "oh so blue collar" sneakers, but they might be slightly less smug and disgusting.

The entertainment I get snickering and cringing at his bits on youtube do not outweigh the fact that people genuinely subscribe to his nonsensical political ideologies in my country and that's just ****ing scary.

So, yeah, I'm pretty psyched to see him go. Also because I'm so damn tired of hearing his information/sermons retorted by self-proclaimed constitutionalists, libertarians or conservatives as if it is new or presented in a remotely fair way.

****, now I'm angry. I can't believe people actually buy this shit in some places here. Our education system, as evidenced (poorly) in that certain thread, is indeed--and continues to be, largely shit.
 
I don't think Beck is a much of a threat, but then again, neither was Hitler and Goebbels. You can't be too safe with these kind of things.
 
Ridge said:
The unions are constantly wanting pay raises, even in times of economic depression,
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yes it's called cost of living increase or inflation. it's standard in most companies union or no union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_living



Ridge said:
and refuse to let their members stay even 5 minutes later to help a student who could really use the assistance to keep from falling behind in class. If they don't get their way, they go on strike, making EVERY one of their members do it. Then nobody gets paid, and nobody gets an education.
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ALL unions everywhere!!!


Ridge said:
and refuse to let their members stay even 5 minutes later to help a student who could really use the assistance to keep from falling behind in class.
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what members what the **** are you talking about? teachers can and do stay after their alotted UNION mandated commie times. spoon fed much?


If they don't get their way, they go on strike, making EVERY one of their members do it. Then nobody gets paid, and nobody gets an education.
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ZOMG they might go on strike! what the hell do you think Unions are for? commie idea exchange?
 
Stern, did you even read Krynn's post?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/rhode-island-school-fires-74-teachers/story?id=9911693

Union members are paid farr more than any comperable job outside union influence. Teachers are paid on average over $100,000 a year...that is almost 3 times what I make in the IT field.

Most unions are like this. Look at the UAW. Their members are paid $27/hour to watch over a robot that puts together the car.

Unions had their useful place once upon a time, but they've outgrown that now and only serve to line the pockets of their higher members.
 
Ridge said:
Stern, did you even read Krynn's post?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/rhode-island-school-fires-74-teachers/story?id=9911693

Union members are paid farr more than any comperable job outside union influence. Teachers are paid on average over $100,000 a year...that is almost 3 times what I make in the IT field.
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did YOU read the article?

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated that secondary school teachers in Rhode Island earn upward of $60,000, higher than the country's average salary of about $50,000 for teachers
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$100,000/year eh? it's as if you're pulling shit out of the thin air

Ridge said:
Most unions are like this. Look at the UAW. Their members are paid $27/hour to watch over a robot that puts together the car.
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and? would you rather these jobs went to china or mexico? I'm sure that'll be great for your economy. I know of sales people who make easily $1000/week on sales commissions alone for doing nothiong more than selling a product to a corporation that's already in the market to buy that product. Obviously capitalism is broken

Ridge said:
Unions had their useful place once upon a time, but they've outgrown that now and only serve to line the pockets of their higher members.
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yes every single one of them, they never do anything to protect their members and are just glorified money funneling systems. I guess the alternative is that government regulate business ...oh wait arent you against big government? so the alternative is ......?

you know you wouldnt sound the alarmist fool if you didnt overgeneralise at every turn and actually used facts to back your points up
 
Teachers do tend to put in a huge amount of hours outside of work though, such as when marking, supervising school trips, preparing exam papers etc.
 
and for only $50,000 a year. they should have been garbage truck drivers instead, idiots!!!
 
50,000 a year is the national average. Here in my state they make much less, around 25K to start. They need to be paid a lot more, and where people get these idiotic ideas about them making 100K is beyong me.

And people that assemble cars don't sit around watching robots work. How do you come up with these idiotic ideas? And the mid-level workers get on average $27 /hr, the low level workers make much less. And I believe that figure is with benefits factored in.
 
The GM plants in Mexico are the ones with people making $27/hr. And they're in Mexico because it's cheaper. I wonder what the union members in Detroit or Ohio make...

Here's an idea, Stern. Instead of making so the only options are Unions and Governments, how about we let the market decide who works there? UAW has been trying for more than 20 years to unionize Toyota. Thus far, they have failed. Turns out the people working for Toyota think things are just fine without a massive bureaucracy involved in their every day lives...
 
The best thing about Glenn Beck is that he has - and will never have - any real political power whatsoever. So we don't have to worry about his deciding vote in congress or in the supreme court.. or... god forbid me even saying it... his presidential veto. He will be relegated to whining and crying like a little bitch on TV pretending he knows what's best for America while people who actually do know what's best can keep fighting the good fight.
 
BHC said:
Yes. Yes I do. I believe he's an idiotic, manipulative and disillusioned goon who has repeatedly proven himself entirely incompetent and downright uninformed. For the sake of my nation's health (haha) or perhaps just my own personal sanity, I'd like for Glenn to be off the air.

His ideas are NOT new they are NOT revelatory and he is not fostering some sort of political revolution. He's a paid member of a multi-billion dollar corporate broadcasting company and an entertainer who has taken fake punditry too far. It would be no loss. This is not to say Fox wouldn't find someone as equally "controversial" (read: idiotic) to fill his... white "oh so blue collar" sneakers, but they might be slightly less smug and disgusting.

The entertainment I get snickering and cringing at his bits on youtube do not outweigh the fact that people genuinely subscribe to his nonsensical political ideologies in my country and that's just ****ing scary.

So, yeah, I'm pretty psyched to see him go. Also because I'm so damn tired of hearing his information/sermons retorted by self-proclaimed constitutionalists, libertarians or conservatives as if it is new or presented in a remotely fair way.

****, now I'm angry. I can't believe people actually buy this shit in some places here. Our education system, as evidenced (poorly) in that certain thread, is indeed--and continues to be, largely shit.
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Well, it is one thing to WANT to see him off the air, and another to think someone should ENFORCE his removal. To want to silence someone just for being stupid is as frightening as Beck's idiotic rantings and followers. Everyone should be free to state their opinions to whoever they want.

anyway, back to Glenn Beck being a big dumbass
 
Ridge said:
The GM plants in Mexico are the ones with people making $27/hr. And they're in Mexico because it's cheaper. I wonder what the union members in Detroit or Ohio make...

Here's an idea, Stern. Instead of making so the only options are Unions and Governments, how about we let the market decide who works there? UAW has been trying for more than 20 years to unionize Toyota. Thus far, they have failed. Turns out the people working for Toyota think things are just fine without a massive bureaucracy involved in their every day lives...
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You think people in GM plants in mexico make $27/hr? What in the hell are you talking about bro? $27/hr is the average salary of a mid-level UAW worker after benefits.

And do you know what it was like before unions came about? Do you know how workers were treated back then?
 
No Limit said:
And do you know what it was like before unions came about? Do you know how workers were treated back then?
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I WAS THERE, MAN. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. I SAW SHIT THAT I'LL NEVER FORGET.

Seriously, guys. Can you try to have a meaningful discussion for once instead of trading loaded questions?
 
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