Guns shooting through walls ?

[Brian Damage]

That's what I thought...

 

[clarky003]

hmm, how come you cant hurt yourself with it when you fire it whilst standing infront of a wall then..?? unlike the floor.

 

[Brian Damage]

Well, I wouldn't know about the floor...

But from memory, the bouncing is based on the angle...

 

[Vegeta897]

Well, I wouldn't know about the floor...

But from memory, the bouncing is based on the angle...

I wouldn't say 'bouncing', I would say 'reflecting'.

 

[Brian Damage]

Picky picky...

I'd actually say maybe rebounding or ricocheting...

 

[Tadashi]

hm, it's the same with the atmosphere and space shuttles.
only in the right angle they can go throug else the bounce off or burn to ashes.

 

[Vegeta897]

Picky picky...

I'd actually say maybe rebounding or ricocheting...

Bouncing is like, a basketball.

 

[Brian Damage]

Reflecting is like, light.

 

[63]

Bouncing is like, a basketball.

or a pogo stick!

 

[Vegeta897]

Reflecting is like, light.

Well it's like a laser, and lasers are light. No?

 

[63]

Well it's like a laser, and lasers are light. No?

actualy...

 

[Tadashi]

Does a ray of energy reflect?

 

[Vegeta897]

Does a ray of energy reflect?

In Half-Life it does.
But in Soviet Russia...

 

[63]

Does a ray of energy reflect?

havent you ever watched Batman!??!? All you need is a mirror!

 

[Brian Damage]

It's not a laser, it's a particle beam.

And now that I come to think of it, most of my physics textbooks use bounce and reflect interchageably anyway...

How about deflect?

Tadashi: It depends upon the form the energy takes.

 

[Tadashi]

Like the thing they use in Star Trek? I think the name is deflector(name used in Germany).

 

[Vegeta897]

How about deflect?

Hmmm.

To turn aside or cause to turn aside; bend or deviate

To cause to turn aside; to bend; as, rays of light are often deflected.

To turn aside; to deviate from a right or a horizontal line, or from a proper position

Looks like deflect means more like bending.

 

[63]

Hmmm.

To turn aside or cause to turn aside; bend or deviate

To cause to turn aside; to bend; as, rays of light are often deflected.

To turn aside; to deviate from a right or a horizontal line, or from a proper position

Looks like deflect means more like bending.

its bending when referring only to light

but when, for example, you "bend" a bullet (deflecting) you are "bending" the path of trajectory.

 

[Brian Damage]

Bullets deflect.

Heavens, we really are being anal, aren't we?

 

[Vegeta897]

its bending when referring only to light

but when, for example, you "bend" a bullet (deflecting) you are "bending" the path of trajectory.

But the bullet does not leave the surface at the exact but opposite angle, because it has an actual shape, not like a beam. And a particle beam more or less acts like a laser, it produces light and heat and is uneffected by gravity and probably travels at the same speed.

 

[Brian Damage]

It is actually affected by gravity... so is a laser beam, however slightly.

I'd say, though, in this case the Particle beam is acting more like what it is: A bunch of very small, fast objects hitting a solid surface and bouncing off.

 

[63]

And a particle beam more or less acts like a laser, it produces light and heat and is uneffected by gravity and probably travels at the same speed.

Light and Particle beams are affected by gravity! jeez, havent you ever seen how a black hole affects light?

 

[Vegeta897]

It is actually affected by gravity... so is a laser beam, however slightly.

I'd say, though, in this case the Particle beam is acting more like what it is: A bunch of very small, fast objects hitting a solid surface and bouncing off.

Although in reality it wouldn't. It would damage it, like it damages the player.

EDIT: I know they are slightly affected by gravity, but I didn't bother to say that.

 

[Brian Damage]

And a particle beam doesn't travel at quite the same speed a laser beam travels at, either...

 

[63]

I forgot what we were arguing about...

 

[Vegeta897]

And a particle beam doesn't travel at quite the same speed a laser beam travels at, either...

Ok, whatever, we clearly have nothing to talk about.

Someone think of something, quick!!

 

[Brian Damage]

Although in reality it wouldn't. It would damage it, like it damages the player.

Only if it hit it head on or at a deep angle. Which is what happens in the game: It drills right through. If it hits at a shallow angle, then the same thing happens to it as happens to a bullet or anything else when it hits an angled surface: The principle of deflection. I saw a really good demonstration of it using the Apache helicopter's angled cockpit windshield.

 

[63]

Someone think of something, quick!!

err....ahhh.....paper...or....plastic?

 

[Vegeta897]

err....ahhh.....paper...or....plastic?

Ahhhh, yes... good topic... ummm. Plastic... Make a poll!

EDIT: Hey! I had the 100th post in this thread!

 

[Jimlad]

ok, according to my calculations - based largely on empirical penetration equations - there is no infantry rifle in existence that will perforate 6" mild homogeneous steel. The largest standard calibres that I could find were the standard 0.50" and 20 mm recoilless rifle ammunition. To take worst case, I assumed they were armour piercing (regular ball or explosive ammunition would barely penetrate). FYI, 20 mm AP ammunition would be defeated by, as a conservative maximum, about 5 cm steel (that's less than 2.5" for you yanks). I don't know where you got your figures from, but 6" steel is clearly ridiculous - you'd be lucky to defeat it with cannon fire.