Guns suck

[Sgt.Igneri]

wtf nigtrose, he had his own hand on it and blew his face off, and you blame the gun.

 

[Sprafa]

Whoever said that if he was really set into killing himself with a gun or not he would have done it has never been with suicidal tendencies.

The truth is the easiest it is to kill yourself the more you think about it. I would have done it long ago if it wasn't for the near impossibility to get a gun in PT.

 

[Swany4287]

There are less painful ways of killing yourself, rather than using a gun.

Bottom line... I never have and never will have pity on people who commit suicide. I dont understand why people feel sorry for them. Now, i might feel sorry for the family and friends, because i know they might miss them, but i do not feel sorry for the suicid-ee.

 

[PvtRyan]

There are less painful ways of killing yourself, rather than using a gun.

Sealing your house of and put on an old heater and die of carbon mono-oxyde poisoning is the way I would choose probably.
You fall asleep and never wake up.

 

[madog]

If I wanted to Id probably go out with a deagle, thatd be sweet. :sniper:

 

[Swany4287]

Sealing your house of and put on an old heater and die of carbon mono-oxyde poisoning is the way I would choose probably.
You fall asleep and never wake up.

Yeah, leave your car running in your garage.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering,

Your wrong. Guns don't cause suffering humans do. And if you say well it ends a lot of lives quickly than ask yourself this who created them what for and wut if there were no guns in the world what would stop another human being for creating something else deadly or find another means to kill himself or someone else.

 

[ThomasToad]

I agree guns suck, but we live in a world where they exist and ALWAYS will. Gun bans do nothing to keep illegal guns off the streets which btw the criminals are already getting these guns illegally. Legal guns should be for protective purposes only, to some of us this might sound pretty rediculous because we have very little threat of violence where we live. But in poor urban neighborhoods and gang infested neighborhoods people literally need guns to survive. Keep in mind the vast majority of gun deaths are criminal vs other criminals, which in mind isn't the problem. It's the innocent people that are murdered by these criminals with guns, and they have no way to protect themselves. Keep in mind those committing these crimes have and will in the future purchase guns illegally, stricter gun laws would only prevent those innocent law-abiding citizens from protecting their own lives.

As for suicide, i'm sure the majority would do it regardless of owning a gun or not, but there are instances where a life might be saved if the person didnt own a gun. To me that really comes down to a person's own responsibility, or even the parents in many cases.

Believe me I would be all for no guns in the world if it could work out that way and there would be no threats of violence, but it just isn't that way.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

This guy makes a good point, its hardly the guns fault, if the guy was going to kill himself he would of done it with or without the gun. Im not saying guns are wonderfull, I dont own one and most likley never will. But im just saying if this guy was stupid enough to kill himself, its hardly the weapons fault.

Both my parents are shrinks, I know a thing or two about the mind of a clincally depressed person and no, that is so far from the truth. The episodes of actually suicidal tendency are brief moments filled with the fog of self-loathing that can be triggered by fatal things around them (especially the quickest most effective sure-fire way loaded and in his drawer) so actually no that point is rather invalid, him not owning that gun could have easily saved his life.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Your wrong. Guns don't cause suffering humans do. And if you say well it ends a lot of lives quickly than ask yourself this who created them what for and wut if there were no guns in the world what would stop another human being for creating something else deadly or find another means to kill himself or someone else.

damn fine point there actually.

 

[Joe]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering, my best online buddy's best friend is now dead thanks to a ****ing berreta he had on hand when he was depressed. I cant tell you who the guy was because he was a talented member of the pc/gaming community who knew c++ / webdesign.. he was also an exmarine.. sad sad shit, he had more to live for then so many people I can think of.

I'm sorry about your "online buddy's friend", but that has to be the most narrow minded arrogant statement I've ever read. If he had slit his wrists with a knife, would that mean "knives suck"?

True dat headcrab. It's high time America got serious about real gun control, like Europe and Japan.

Oh yes, because those laws have been oh so successful in preventing firearm crime.

Guns should be used for sport.

Buy a tazer for protection.

Tell that to him.

We should legalize flamethrowers, miniguns and broadswords as well. For protection, you know.

(If you legalize more and more gun laws, and use the argument "omg, i need a gunz to pr0tect myself from teh b4d guys", chances are that the criminal who just shot you in the head also had gotten his gun legally, without a problem, from some store somewhere, because the gunlaws were to ****ing stupid.

It's just moronic. The protection argument is a bloody dangerous double edged sword)

So what you're actually saying is that rather then having firearms to protect ourselves, you'd rather us have no firearms to defend ourselves and the criminals only have firearms (Who, last I checked, didn't give a shit about laws)?

Moronic indeed.

The deathtole by guns is still higher in the US. Guns solve little about theft, unless your awesome solution to that is shooting everyone. Yes... shooting everyone, that's bound to make the world safer!

Except some 9/10 defense inccidents occur without a shot being fired and the criminal is either held for police to be arrested, or gets the hell out of dodge.

Both my parents are shrinks, I know a thing or two about the mind of a clincally depressed person and no, that is so far from the truth. The episodes of actually suicidal tendency are brief moments filled with the fog of self-loathing that can be triggered by fatal things around them (especially the quickest most effective sure-fire way loaded and in his drawer) so actually no that point is rather invalid, him not owning that gun could have easily saved his life.

So, because some minority choose to kill themselves with firearms, we should ban them, and ignore the some 2 million+ people who yearly defend themselves with firearms?

 

[dart321]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. It's sad but true. If we lived in a world without guns, people would just use bow and arrows or swords or clubs or whatever is at hand.

 

[DoctorGordon]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering, my best online buddy's best friend is now dead thanks to a ****ing berreta he had on hand when he was depressed. I cant tell you who the guy was because he was a talented member of the pc/gaming community who knew c++ / webdesign.. he was also an exmarine.. sad sad shit, he had more to live for then so many people I can think of.

Apparently he didnt recognize the basic law:

"There is no point in solving the problem if you also eliminate the need to solve it"

 

[NeLi]

So what you're actually saying is that rather then having firearms to protect ourselves, you'd rather us have no firearms to defend ourselves and the criminals only have firearms (Who, last I checked, didn't give a shit about laws)?

Moronic indeed.

Well, as I said, it's a double edged sword; meaning that if you give every man a gun, everyone will run a higher risk of getting shot.

omg, gunze donne't kill people, people killz people rofl

Yes, and when you give killers even more firearms, and higher availability to those firearm, you're gonna get more people who kill people.

MAYBE shopowners and the like should be able to get to own guns, since they are the most vulnerable ones. But I can't see why the average joe should get to own an assault rifle.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

How can people use the argument
"We need guns to protect ourselves"??

In my 17 years on this planet I have never been in a position where a gun would have been needed to protect myself.Never.
Our home has only been robbed once,While we were out of the house so a gun wouldnt have helped which would have probly been stolen thus adding to the problum.

As far as I know in America(Correct me if i'm wrong) you cant carry a gun one you while walking down the street,so Protecting yourself from assault or Mugging is out of the question.
As for your house being robbed while you are in it,Unless there is a direct threat to you or your family it is better to let them get on with it and let the insurance company fork up the cash.If there is a direct threat,well that is the only time i can see a gun coming in handy,however this cant be a very regular occurence.

How do most guns get on the street in the first place?The most commonly used weapon for Robbery(Bank and so forth) in Ireland is the sawed off shotgun,which is stolen from private houses(Licences for these are given out in Ireland to Farmers and hunters).
Any other type of weapon is bought from the Black market or the IRA and arent all that abundent.

Why is it one of the only nations to allow Assault Rifles to be bought over the counter is one with an extremly high level of gun crime?

 

[Joe]

MAYBE shopowners and the like should be able to get to own guns, since they are the most vulnerable ones. But I can't see why the average joe should get to own an assault rifle.

Because not even the majority of those 2 million + people in the US who are forced to use firearms in self defense are shop owners.

How can people use the argument
"We need guns to protect ourselves"??

In my 17 years on this planet I have never been in a position where a gun would have been needed to protect myself.Never.
Our home has only been robbed once,While we were out of the house so a gun wouldnt have helped which would have probly been stolen thus adding to the problum.

And of course, this means such things couldn't POSSIBLY happen to other people? Read: 2 MILLION people YEARLY in the US use firearms in self defense.

As far as I know in America(Correct me if i'm wrong) you cant carry a gun one you while walking down the street,so Protecting yourself from assault or Mugging is out of the question.

Wrong. 35+ states allow citizens to carry a firearm on them. Some require permits, some allow only concealed, some allow only open carry.

As for your house being robbed while you are in it,Unless there is a direct threat to you or your family it is better to let them get on with it and let the insurance company fork up the cash.If there is a direct threat,well that is the only time i can see a gun coming in handy,however this cant be a very regular occurence.

Robberies arn't the only time a person may need to defend themselves. There's always road rage, rapes, the guy looking for a fight, etc.

How do most guns get on the street in the first place?

You would be surprised how many weapons are stolen, "lost" or otherwise removed from LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies in the US, both Federal, state and local.

Why is it one of the only nations to allow Assault Rifles to be bought over the counter is one with an extremly high level of gun crime?

The US isn't the only country with high gun crime. I direct you towards the article I linked to, showing an article on the UKs ever growing firearm crime. And they don't even allow pistols to be purchased anymore.

Further more, "assualt rifles" are not buyable over the counter in the US. Assualt rifles are fully automatic, and have been regulated since the NFA 1934 Act. Semiautomatic rifles, which the media labels as "assualt rifles", are used in under 1% of firearm crime in the US. They are not the problem, nor did the 10 year "ban" on them solve or reduce that rate.

 

[PvtRyan]

Except some 9/10 defense inccidents occur without a shot being fired and the criminal is either held for police to be arrested, or gets the hell out of dodge.

Sure, when the avarage Joe has a gun, why wouldn't the avarage criminal have one too?

 

[TheOriginalEvil]

Guns are good, in the correct hands.

 

[Crushenator 500]

Guns are good, in the correct hands.

/me makes a deal, and takes the robot devil's hands

 

[The Mullinator]

Own a gun for protection if you want I have no qualms with that. Just make sure that the gun and ammunition are always kept seperate and in a location that kids can't get to it.

Thing is though I suspect the gun will really only provide a psychological feeling of safety. Any hardened criminal who is willing to invade your home at night will make sure they do it when you are asleep and incapable of defending yourself. What good is a gun when you are incapacitated?

Anyone else who is not smart enough to go when you are asleep will either be armed themselves and have much more experience with guns than you or will be easily scared off with a baseball bat or a call to the police.

 

[Dalamari]

Guns are good, in the correct hands.

Correct, I love shooting guns as a hobby, great fun.

Don't ruin it for people who are still having a good time at it.

 

[Cybernoid]

Thing is though I suspect the gun will really only provide a psychological feeling of safety. Any hardened criminal who is willing to invade your home at night will make sure they do it when you are asleep and incapable of defending yourself. What good is a gun when you are incapacitated?

Assuming they can get in without any noise, assuming there's no dog present, assuming the occupant is asleep, assuming there's no security system installed...

Anyone else who is not smart enough to go when you are asleep will either be armed themselves and have much more experience with guns than you or will be easily scared off with a baseball bat or a call to the police.

Jesus. That's exactly the reason why you are supposed to train with your weapon.

You really shouldn't talk about self-defence if you haven't even bothered to study the theory behind it.

By the way, if guns kill people then do pencils make misspellings?

 

[poseyjmac]

heres a potential solution. ban all current lethal guns, make a standard, cheap, non-lethal firearm for civilians. crime will still happen , but at least it wont take as many lives, and it gives civilians a chance to defend themselves and be more confident that the robber just can't go bang and they are dead.

leave the lethal firearms to the qualified, like the army etc.

 

[The Mullinator]

Assuming they can get in without any noise, assuming there's no dog present, assuming the occupant is asleep, assuming there's no security system installed...



Jesus. That's exactly the reason why you are supposed to train with your weapon.

You really shouldn't talk about self-defence if you haven't even bothered to study the theory behind it.

You are going to rely on training at a shooting range when you are up against an unknown criminal with a gun? I sure as hell wouldn't. If you ask me if they are dangerous enough to harm you then once they are inside you probably don't have much of a chance.

Also how often in the US do home invasions occur where a family with a gun actually helped any?

I just don't think having a gun for protection is any good. For hunting? Sure no problem. For hobby and sport? Sure no problem.

 

[KidRock]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering, my best online buddy's best friend is now dead thanks to a ****ing berreta he had on hand when he was depressed. I cant tell you who the guy was because he was a talented member of the pc/gaming community who knew c++ / webdesign.. he was also an exmarine.. sad sad shit, he had more to live for then so many people I can think of.

Oh please.. how can you blame that on a gun.. the guy could have easily walked over to the draw and pulled out a knife and ended it all..it wasn't the guns fault it was his own fault. If he didn't have that gun I bet he would still be dead right now. Also that is like a 800 pound person going.. damnit if mcdonalds wasn't around I wouldnt be this fat.


edit: funny i am reading this and I just got back from paintballing :smoking:

 

[Letters]

Dude, guns don't suck! They blow! Hard!

 

[poseyjmac]

Oh please.. how can you blame that on a gun.. the guy could have easily walked over to the draw and pulled out a knife and ended it all..it wasn't the guns fault it was his own fault. If he didn't have that gun I bet he would still be dead right now.


edit: funny i am reading this and I just got back from paintballing :smoking:

i wouldn't be so sure, its definately easier to pull a trigger to a gun at your head and feel nothing, than to slit your own throat or stab yourself in the heart. psychologically, these are are a world of difference.

 

[Dulrough]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering, my best online buddy's best friend is now dead thanks to a ****ing berreta he had on hand when he was depressed. I cant tell you who the guy was because he was a talented member of the pc/gaming community who knew c++ / webdesign.. he was also an exmarine.. sad sad shit, he had more to live for then so many people I can think of.

If the guy was really going to end himself, the gun would just speed it up, im sure he could find 50 other ways to end himself.
I do think that assault rifles and all semi auto weapons need to be taken away from civies.
Pistiols are by far the worst, mainly phsycologically, they dont seem like they're gonna hurt anything, which I think makes people careless. When you have a shotgun or a rifle in your hand it doesent feel like a joke.

 

[NeLi]

heres a potential solution. ban all current lethal guns, make a standard, cheap, non-lethal firearm for civilians. crime will still happen , but at least it wont take as many lives, and it gives civilians a chance to defend themselves and be more confident that the robber just can't go bang and they are dead.

leave the lethal firearms to the qualified, like the army etc.

That's actually pretty smart... Like a gun that puts the criminal "out of order" but doesn't necessarily kill the guy.
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Now here's what I don't get: How could you possibly think that you putting a gun up an armed criminals face would make your situation safer? Chances are that instead of you getting robbed, you might just end up dead instead.

 

[KidRock]

i wouldn't be so sure, its definately easier to pull a trigger to a gun at your head and feel nothing, than to slit your own throat or stab yourself in the heart. psychologically, these are are a world of difference.

If the guy was so depressed in his mind he woulnd't have cared.

 

[poseyjmac]

If the guy was so depressed in his mind he woulnd't have cared.

just for the fact that its less psychologically painful to shoot yourself in the head, no matter what state you are in, means that there is a higher possibility that if he didn't have a gun, he may have survived, just long enough for some friend to call and ask him how he was doing, or long enough so that he could rethink what he was doing. just talking about chances here.

 

[NeLi]

just for the fact that its less psychologically painful to shoot yourself in the head, no matter what state you are in, means that there is a higher possibility that if he didn't have a gun, he may have survived, just long enough for some friend to call and ask him how he was doing, or long enough so that he could rethink what he was doing. just talking about chances here.

This has already been discussed... Some kid with parents who were shrinks came in and told us all about how depressed minds function.

 

[poseyjmac]

This has already been discussed... Some kid with parents who were shrinks came in and told us all about how depressed minds function.

well if they know anything, they know that different people have different levels of depression and different levels of how badly they want to die. ive met people who would like to commit suicide, but they actually dont' want to THAT badly.

there ARE those who are just depressed enough to shoot themselves in the head(since its so easy, just click and lights out, no pain) but not depressed enough to do something that's psychologically more difficult. in this respect, for those select people, not having a gun could be the difference between life and death.

 

[Cybernoid]

heres a potential solution. ban all current lethal guns, make a standard, cheap, non-lethal firearm for civilians. crime will still happen , but at least it wont take as many lives, and it gives civilians a chance to defend themselves and be more confident that the robber just can't go bang and they are dead.

leave the lethal firearms to the qualified, like the army etc.

Great - give civilians stunguns while the criminals roam around with automatic weapons.

You are going to rely on training at a shooting range when you are up against an unknown criminal with a gun?

I never said anything about shooting ranges. There's a million different ways of training with firearms.

If you ask me if they are dangerous enough to harm you

Do criminals have some sort of mystical property in them that makes them invincible killing machines that can't be stopped, or something?

then once they are inside you probably don't have much of a chance.

You won't have a chance because you have already told yourself that you won't have a chance and that you will lose. When you've already given up, defeat is inevitable.

 

[poseyjmac]

Great - give civilians stunguns while the criminals roam around with automatic weapons.

obviously more security would need to be implemented, but i haven't gone into that extreme detail yet. the supposed plan would be make everyone non-military have the same access to the same firearm.

 

[NeLi]

Great - give civilians stunguns while the criminals roam around with automatic weapons.

It aint a war between civilians and criminals for ****s sake. The criminals have the heavy guns because *gasp* they're CRIMINALS. Heavy weaponry was never supposed to end up in the hands of normal people. A gun that puts a man out of comission is more than enough.

You won't have a chance because you have already told yourself that you won't have a chance and that you will lose. When you've already given up, defeat is inevitable.

As I said, it aint a war... If some guy comes into my bedroom when I'm asleep, pointing a barrel at my head, I wont be so ****ing stupid as to try and grab my newly purchased gun on the table next to me. Same thing if a gang overpowers me in some ally or something. Grabbing your gun then is the most stupid thing you could do.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

Wrong. 35+ states allow citizens to carry a firearm on them. Some require permits, some allow only concealed, some allow only open carry.

Ok let me understand this,you are allowed to carry a gun openly around with you in one of these states?Or concealed in another?
And a police man cant ask you why the hell you are doing this??

Does anyone else think that doesnt make much sense?
Must be just different cultures,I have never felt it would be nessacary for me to carry any form of Firearm,though a Taser would be handy.

 

[Immortal]

I'd like to know how many people in europe here that are just civillians that have owned or even shot a gun.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

I've shot a Shotgun when at my Uncles farm.Just shooting clay pigeons.Only got one though(So much for my leet CS skills )

 

[Cybernoid]

It aint a war between civilians and criminals for ****s sake. The criminals have the heavy guns because *gasp* they're CRIMINALS. Heavy weaponry was never supposed to end up in the hands of normal people. A gun that puts a man out of comission is more than enough.

And you are certain that a simple stungun will put some crazed crackhead out of comission?

As I said, it aint a war... If some guy comes into my bedroom when I'm asleep, pointing a barrel at my head, I wont be so ****ing stupid as to try and grab my newly purchased gun on the table next to me.

We have unarmed techniques for that.

Same thing if a gang overpowers me in some ally or something. Grabbing your gun then is the most stupid thing you could do.

Awareness, avoidance and evasion are the first lines of defence. And if you do get swarmed by a gang, what are you going to do? You're probably dead anyway, so there's no reason not to draw your weapon, if that's possible.

I'd like to know how many people in europe here that are just civillians that have owned or even shot a gun.

Most people in Finland have shot a gun (military training), including me (hunting weapon). Owning a firearm in Finland is 100% pointless unless you are hunting. You can't use it for self-defence, nor can you conceal carry it.