PvtRyan
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Yeah, and Deus Ex 2 is just that but without the gun part because shooting feels like crap, it feels really unnatural and shitty. I actually didn't think the demo was that bad, rather liked it actually, but the shooting part is total crap.
I played the de2 demo and was a tad bit disappointed. I was hoping for next generation graphics, but they weren't there. The gameplay too is a bit slow. Travelling between locations, talking to people etc is not my cup of tea.
The highlight of the game was the holograph of the dancing girl.
There is absolutely no comparison between hl2 and de2. hl2 is way beyond de2.
The highlight of the game was the holograph of the dancing girl.
There is absolutely no comparison between hl2 and de2. hl2 is way beyond de2.
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only in the demo, in the full game the augs get upgraded, theres three different levels for each aug.
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Watch HL2 be another lousy sequel, cursed because it is a sequel...
Come on people, name a single sequel game better than the original? With the exception of Age of Kings...and a couple of other games
But hopefully HL2 will be one of those exceptions come April.
Come on people, name a single sequel game better than the original? With the exception of Age of Kings...and a couple of other games
But hopefully HL2 will be one of those exceptions come April.
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Monkey Island 2 was definitely better than the original.
The Pro Evolution Soccer series is getting progressionally better and better...
The Pro Evolution Soccer series is getting progressionally better and better...
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Crusader: no remorse (or was it Crusader: no regret)
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who cares, both crusaders (Crusader: no remorse, and Crusader: no Regret) were excellent games, and the music rocked
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Don’t confuse movie sequels with video game sequels. From what I can tell, HL2 is not another attempt to squeeze a few more cents out of an cool, old idea (a.k.a. Matrix 2 & 3, Terminator 3, etc…). It continues the story, but that is definitely not what got me excited about HL2.
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C&C Generals is sure as hell better than any other C&C game.
I really liked Deus Ex 2...
A lot better storyline in game then Halflife and you had the whole skills/weapon mods area that really let you play any way you wanted. I played through the game blasting everything in sight reall concentrating on heavy weapons then the next game I concentrated on stealth knocking people out Thief style... maybe the odd snipe here and there and the game was just as good just completely different then the first time I played it.
Maybe you don't get that with the demo... I'm assuming it's only 1 or 2 levels. Personally I can't wait to buy Deus Ex 2. The storyline is *supposed* to be very non-linear which is what I look for in a game. Sure Halflife style complete linearity is ok the first one or two times you play through but then it just gets so boring finding the same puzzle you figured out twice already.
Pretty much every decision you make in Deus Ex 2 is supposed to affect the final outcome... it's been said that you can even be on different sides of the battle depending on how you play ( I believe there are 3 different main sides tho I'm not sure).
If it came down to a choice between Half life 2 and Deus Ex 2 I would almost certainly pick Half life 2 but that's mainly because I'm still all hypey about it (even after recent delays). I really don't know which will be the better game in the end but I look forward to finding out
A lot better storyline in game then Halflife and you had the whole skills/weapon mods area that really let you play any way you wanted. I played through the game blasting everything in sight reall concentrating on heavy weapons then the next game I concentrated on stealth knocking people out Thief style... maybe the odd snipe here and there and the game was just as good just completely different then the first time I played it.
Maybe you don't get that with the demo... I'm assuming it's only 1 or 2 levels. Personally I can't wait to buy Deus Ex 2. The storyline is *supposed* to be very non-linear which is what I look for in a game. Sure Halflife style complete linearity is ok the first one or two times you play through but then it just gets so boring finding the same puzzle you figured out twice already.
Pretty much every decision you make in Deus Ex 2 is supposed to affect the final outcome... it's been said that you can even be on different sides of the battle depending on how you play ( I believe there are 3 different main sides tho I'm not sure).
If it came down to a choice between Half life 2 and Deus Ex 2 I would almost certainly pick Half life 2 but that's mainly because I'm still all hypey about it (even after recent delays). I really don't know which will be the better game in the end but I look forward to finding out
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Your damn right
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I found Half-Life to be far more fun than Deus Ex, I mean what's the point in all that story, all the upgrades, the openess if the game is not fun to play? I've completed Half-Life 3 times and I am working through it again, I'm having trouble finding the will to complete Deus Ex once because it's soo slow!!!!
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I tried the dues ex 2 demo, that was the worst game i have touched in the last year.. it ****ing blows.. the ai sucks. the interface is balls, and the physics are sub par..
anyways dues ex's graphics even take a step down.. or just stayed the same.. i cant tell..
hl2 farcry stalker these are the games i base my comparison on now
negative, that would be farcry.
anyways dues ex's graphics even take a step down.. or just stayed the same.. i cant tell..
hl2 farcry stalker these are the games i base my comparison on now
your not the only one
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DDDDDDDDDDaaaaaayyummm, you missed the key by a whole key!!!
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You should not say Deus Ex sucks,it's Deus Ex:Invisible War.
Deus Ex is the second best game IMO,the first is Half-Life.
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as a response to the original post:
First i would like to say that you are judging a DEMO which does not have all the graphical features and gameplay features of the full game (one thing would be detailed textures which was left out of the demo).
For physics? I must say that hl2 beats it there. When moving the boxes in hl2, they fly from you like air. The physics is a bit off in the demo, but who knows? Maybe in the full version there'll be other objects with heavier physics to them that don't get kicked around as fast and actually slow you down.
Graphics? Well, both games have DX9. I would say that half-life 2 is a bigger display of that tho (but then again, we are yet to see the full version of dx2 yet). Another thing: Half-life 2 does not have detailed textures, as opposed to dx2 which WILL have detailed textures in the full. But then again HL2's textures are good by themselves, and I hope gabe will add those super-high reso textures now that the game's been delayed.
AI? Was the AI in DX1 any good? I would say that the AI in this game is definately improved in this game from the first. HL2's AI? No matter what you are thinking, the AI in hl2 isn't going to be anything mind blowing. "oh wow, they can open doors and shoot you through windows raaraaraa". The only good thing i can say about the hl2 AI is that they actually take cover.
Gameplay? Again, you played a frigging demo. HL2 gameplay isn't as impressive as the environment (the coast maps ). Don't expect yourself to be doing jump flips over walls or anything in HL2. DX2 actually has more promise for gameplay (with the biomods and such) than the game itself. Half-life 2 on the other hand will just be about collecting weapons which will probably be your best chance for an "upgrade".
... aaaand the game? Though the above may have sounded like I'm leaning more towards the favor of DX2, I still believe that half-life2 will be a better game with all it's environments and it's story and the buggy driving and the fact that it's the sequel to one of the best games ever made for the pc, and that means it can't be your run of the mill crappy fps game. From what I hear, DX2 will have 15 hours of gameplay, and from what I've heard and seen, it seems the about the same for hl2 (probably a couple hours more).
My conclusion is: I'm going to buy and play both games and probably enjoy them. What I can also say is that DX2 is comming out next week, and HL2, god only knows when. So if you want a taste of nextgen games, DX2 is your best bet for now Peace,
First i would like to say that you are judging a DEMO which does not have all the graphical features and gameplay features of the full game (one thing would be detailed textures which was left out of the demo).
For physics? I must say that hl2 beats it there. When moving the boxes in hl2, they fly from you like air. The physics is a bit off in the demo, but who knows? Maybe in the full version there'll be other objects with heavier physics to them that don't get kicked around as fast and actually slow you down.
Graphics? Well, both games have DX9. I would say that half-life 2 is a bigger display of that tho (but then again, we are yet to see the full version of dx2 yet). Another thing: Half-life 2 does not have detailed textures, as opposed to dx2 which WILL have detailed textures in the full. But then again HL2's textures are good by themselves, and I hope gabe will add those super-high reso textures now that the game's been delayed.
AI? Was the AI in DX1 any good? I would say that the AI in this game is definately improved in this game from the first. HL2's AI? No matter what you are thinking, the AI in hl2 isn't going to be anything mind blowing. "oh wow, they can open doors and shoot you through windows raaraaraa". The only good thing i can say about the hl2 AI is that they actually take cover.
Gameplay? Again, you played a frigging demo. HL2 gameplay isn't as impressive as the environment (the coast maps
). Don't expect yourself to be doing jump flips over walls or anything in HL2. DX2 actually has more promise for gameplay (with the biomods and such) than the game itself. Half-life 2 on the other hand will just be about collecting weapons which will probably be your best chance for an "upgrade".... aaaand the game? Though the above may have sounded like I'm leaning more towards the favor of DX2, I still believe that half-life2 will be a better game with all it's environments and it's story and the buggy driving and the fact that it's the sequel to one of the best games ever made for the pc, and that means it can't be your run of the mill crappy fps game. From what I hear, DX2 will have 15 hours of gameplay, and from what I've heard and seen, it seems the about the same for hl2 (probably a couple hours more).
My conclusion is: I'm going to buy and play both games and probably enjoy them. What I can also say is that DX2 is comming out next week, and HL2, god only knows when. So if you want a taste of nextgen games, DX2 is your best bet for now
Peace,
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Meh. I'll bite.
True enough. It does give us a fairly good idea of what the eventual game is supposed to be like, though. That is the point of a demo.
Then the demo is false advertising.
I think HL2 will have better graphics, and I doubt Gabe's been idle.:thumbs:
DX1's AI was mediocre, I'll admit. Yet, from what I hear, the AI in the DX2 demo, at least, is crappier than a cowyard.
"The AI in HL2 isn't going to be anything mind blowing."? I beg to differ there. Just watch the vids.
A demo which is supposed to give a good indication of the gameplay. Relating to this, how do you know how impressive the HL2 gameplay is if you haven't even played a demo of it? I don't want to do flip jumps in HL2, as that sort of thing doesn't match up with what Gordon is supposed to be able to do. HL2 will not be merely about "collecting weapons".
Agree with most of what you say, except that HL2 is supposed to have about 30-40 hours of gameplay.
My conclusion is: Well, you're probably wasting good money on DX2, but I hope you enjoy it. DX2 appears to have been rushed and console-i-fied. I wouldn'y really call DX2 a "next gen game".
Peace.
True enough. It does give us a fairly good idea of what the eventual game is supposed to be like, though. That is the point of a demo.
Then the demo is false advertising.
I think HL2 will have better graphics, and I doubt Gabe's been idle.:thumbs:
DX1's AI was mediocre, I'll admit. Yet, from what I hear, the AI in the DX2 demo, at least, is crappier than a cowyard.
"The AI in HL2 isn't going to be anything mind blowing."? I beg to differ there. Just watch the vids.
Gameplay? Again, you played a frigging demo. HL2 gameplay isn't as impressive as the environment (the coast maps
A demo which is supposed to give a good indication of the gameplay. Relating to this, how do you know how impressive the HL2 gameplay is if you haven't even played a demo of it? I don't want to do flip jumps in HL2, as that sort of thing doesn't match up with what Gordon is supposed to be able to do. HL2 will not be merely about "collecting weapons".
Agree with most of what you say, except that HL2 is supposed to have about 30-40 hours of gameplay.
My conclusion is: I'm going to buy and play both games and probably enjoy them. What I can also say is that DX2 is comming out next week, and HL2, god only knows when. So if you want a taste of nextgen games, DX2 is your best bet for now
My conclusion is: Well, you're probably wasting good money on DX2, but I hope you enjoy it. DX2 appears to have been rushed and console-i-fied. I wouldn'y really call DX2 a "next gen game".
Peace.
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"Relating to this, how do you know how impressive the HL2 gameplay is..." You seem smart, figure it out Also, when i said boxes fly like nothing, i meant that for dx2 so ah.. nvm that one, I'll change it. Peace,
Also, when i said boxes fly like nothing, i meant that for dx2 so ah.. nvm that one, I'll change it. Peace,
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Yes, I suspected that.
And I figured the thing about the boxes was a typo.:thumbs:
And I figured the thing about the boxes was a typo.:thumbs:
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Yay! Lets compare a port-demo of an unreleased game to a game you have never even played! That should make for an objective and accurate review...
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Personally i have no doubt that HL2 will be the better general gaming experience, however, all you people who state these things like they are facts need to calm down. The game is not out, there is no demo, and even the few of us who used the illegal leaked build have very little detailed info about either ofthe games gfx/physics/gameplay ect.
So just calm down, wait for both of em to be out, then make a fair comparison atleast.
As for the AI issues, believe what you will, but atleast in the leaked build, the scenes that were availialbe were scripted, or atleast not working as we were lead to believe. I have no doubt that the AI will be exellent, since even HL1 was exellent compared to other games back then, but I think many people will be disappointed when thye discover that the AI is just really good, and not as mindblowing as they thought...
For physics, the only thing i could think of to surpass HL2's current system would be to have even more parts of the world affected, such as whole walls of static buildings or something... In short, its really really impressive. Anyone who tried the physics demo level has to be left stunned by the realism, and more importantly, the limitless possebilities the system unlocks for gameplay and modding.
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Yay! Lets compare a port-demo of an unreleased game to a game you have never even played! That should make for an objective and accurate review...
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Personally i have no doubt that HL2 will be the better general gaming experience, however, all you people who state these things like they are facts need to calm down. The game is not out, there is no demo, and even the few of us who used the illegal leaked build have very little detailed info about either ofthe games gfx/physics/gameplay ect.
So just calm down, wait for both of em to be out, then make a fair comparison atleast.
As for the AI issues, believe what you will, but atleast in the leaked build, the scenes that were availialbe were scripted, or atleast not working as we were lead to believe. I have no doubt that the AI will be exellent, since even HL1 was exellent compared to other games back then, but I think many people will be disappointed when thye discover that the AI is just really good, and not as mindblowing as they thought...
For physics, the only thing i could think of to surpass HL2's current system would be to have even more parts of the world affected, such as whole walls of static buildings or something... In short, its really really impressive. Anyone who tried the physics demo level has to be left stunned by the realism, and more importantly, the limitless possebilities the system unlocks for gameplay and modding.
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i played Dues Ex 2 for about 5 mins, i thought it was the gayest game i have ever played, it just sucks. pathetic animations takes a year to kill one person, i wouldn't vs this against HL2 i would vs this against something like Duke3D or something, and Duke3D would win. i was hoping for a good game, nice and solid game play and fun...
DEx2 is the lamest waste of time ever.
and i dont give have a crap if its a "DEMO" or not, its still going to be shit with less bugs.
If you want to buy it, buy it, its your loss.
DEx2 is the lamest waste of time ever.
and i dont give have a crap if its a "DEMO" or not, its still going to be shit with less bugs.
If you want to buy it, buy it, its your loss.
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Im not reviewing for a magazine, and as i said before if you dont want to talk about it... then WOW dont.
hehe that is roughly my pc. AMD Athlonxp 3200+ 512 rdram 9700 pro. crazyness
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This had pretty much trailed off into a Deus Ex discussion so instead of being cruel and locking it I'll move it over to General Off-Topic so ya'll can keep talking about it, if it somehow finds its way back onto HL2 then Sparrow or the Sarge can send it back over again
Don't forget seatbelts people, gotta go through those rapid postings on the steam forum first
Don't forget seatbelts people, gotta go through those rapid postings on the steam forum first
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I think we had enough discussions about the merits (or lack of) the Deus Ex 2 demo a few days back. There are a number of informative and well written posts on the planetdeus ex and ion storm forums about the pros and cons of the Demo compared to the original.
The only thing that HL2 and DX2 share in common really is that they are both first person games. Both originals were quite sublime, but there natures were inherently different. The same will only be true of the sequels. I can't judge whether DX2 will be better than HL2, but comparing it to the original DX I found it lacklustre, both in gameplay and immersiveness.
The only thing that HL2 and DX2 share in common really is that they are both first person games. Both originals were quite sublime, but there natures were inherently different. The same will only be true of the sequels. I can't judge whether DX2 will be better than HL2, but comparing it to the original DX I found it lacklustre, both in gameplay and immersiveness.
