Half-Life myths that need to DIE

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DerbyDriver1985

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I'm sure many of you are just as tired as I am of hearing all these crazy g-man/Gordon theories, or people asking how the cat ties in to Half-Life, etc... so let's list these ridiculous myths, and point out precisely WHY they're myths.

1. G-man is NOT Gordon, vice versa. For one, it would make NO sense at all. For two, Gordon's eyes are green, g-man's are blue. For 3, g-man is the name of the MODEL, not the character. The character does not have a name. Also, Valve isn't going to leave any blatantly obvious clues in the series for us to figure out who/what g-man is before the big reveal... that would completely ruin the motivation to keep following the story. SO STOP BRINGING IT UP!!!!!

2. There is no cat. There's no cat model... there's not cat ghost... there is simply NO CAT. The dialog about the cat was for laughs. It was to simply carry on the notion that Kleiner is somewhat of an absent minded professor. Any time Barney brings it up, it's just to carry on the gag. I'll say again... THERE IS NO CAT!!!!!!

3. The original Half-Life was made long before the story or any of the characters in Half-Life 2 were ever even conceived. This is why there are about 50 Kleiners, Barneys, Elis and Magnussons. They were not important characters in Half-Life 1, just disposable generic ally models. Therefore, nothing you find in Half-Life 1 is purposefully foreshadowing any of the events in HL2. The picture in Gordons locker? That might be his niece. Or his daughter. Or his baby sister. Remember, Gordon started out as Ivan the Space Biker... I don't think Valve ever intended to take the story in the direction they took it. That picture is not Alyx. Alyx did not exist when HL1 was made.

You can pretty much sum up all these retarded conspiracy theories by simply saying that Valve is in control of the story (and clearly making up a lot of it as they go along) and will not divulge enough information which would spoil the ending they want to give us. Understand?

Oh, and btw, there is NO evidence to support the idea that Chell from Portal will play a role in Episode 3. GlaDOS probably will, as well as the Portal device, but for all we know, Chell is dead.
 
It's good that people need to know gman is the model name and not the character, good work in stating that.

I agree with all your other points too.
 
though your right about the cat ive been thinking....
what if the cat he was talking about was a cat with a headcrap attached to it?
a Headcrab Cat Zombie?
make sense?
 
DerbyDriver1985 said:
Oh, and btw, there is NO evidence to support the idea that Chell from Portal will play a role in Episode 3. GlaDOS probably will, as well as the Portal device, but for all we know, Chell is dead.
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The test subject is injured enough to pass out at the surface, but she certainly isn't dead.

-Jeep (one of the cunning bastards)

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Also...you go on believing theirs no cat. In fact, it's better that you don't worry about the cat at all. Forget about all this.
 
g-man is the name of the MODEL, not the character.
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Ok, then what do you propose we call him?

Also, you might wanna tell this to Gabe Newell and Mark Laidlaw, who both keep using the incorrect term 'gman' in interviews, just in case they don't know they're doing it wrong.
 
And in the credits too, for the voice acting part.

Add another to the list: no Combine on Xen. That cannot be repeated enough.
 
They call him gman, because it's a name that 'stuck' from when they developed him. They had to call him something.
 
SpectreBlofeld said:
Ok, then what do you propose we call him?

Also, you might wanna tell this to Gabe Newell and Mark Laidlaw, who both keep using the incorrect term 'gman' in interviews, just in case they don't know they're doing it wrong.
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He continues to be called that because that's the name everybody has come to use in identifying him. Otherwise they'd have to constantly refer to him as "the creepy guy with the briefcase".

From Wikipedia's G-Man page:
In Half-Life 2: Raising the Bar, it is noted that "while the codename 'G-Man' slipped into common use, it remains merely a codename".
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I don't think the OP was necessarily trying to discourage use of the name. But it's people that say shit like "OMG what if the G stands for Gordon?!?!" who really need to leave it alone.
 
I've always thought that the G-man was abbrevation of "Government's man", although it is clear now that he is working for much more powerful organization.
 
It does mean government man. But the term has been in use long before Half-Life. It's just a codename because he looks like one.
 
Druckles said:
Lmao! This is funny, some guy being knocked for complaining about noobs posting random stuff.

Might help if you have more than 8 posts behind your name :p

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113

And there is a cat, there always will be a cat.


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Miaow.
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Well for one thing, YOU ARE NOT YOUR POST COUNT. If you WERE indeed your post count, then it would be worth nothing that I likely have somewhere up above a million posts on message boards overall.

For two, Absinthe is the only one who understood my thing about the g-man. Calling him g-man is perfectly fine, that's how we refer to him, but people claiming that g-man is Gordon because they both have a G in the name... that was my complaint.

Also, there IS NO CAT. The cat was a joke. They talk about a cat, so in terms of non-tangible story line, yes, there was at one point a cat... but it is not physically (or supernaturally) manifested in the game whatsoever. Period.
 
Druckles said:
Lmao! This is funny, some guy being knocked for complaining about noobs posting random stuff.

Might help if you have more than 8 posts behind your name :p

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113

And there is a cat, there always will be a cat.


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Miaow.
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Regardless of post count I thought it was a pretty good post and sums up some of my thoughts about things nicely. To some extent it is interesting to pick the game/story apart to try and learn something a bit more. In the end though, it's a video game and the way some go on and on about every little thing gets a bit old.
 
This makes me want to make a cat thread.
/makes.
 
DerbyDriver1985 said:
Well for one thing, YOU ARE NOT YOUR POST COUNT. If you WERE indeed your post count, then it would be worth nothing that I likely have somewhere up above a million posts on message boards overall.
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Never said you were your post count. The words never left my lips.

I do think, however, that you might need to be here long enough to actually experience the annoyance of what you're complaining about. You're speaking like you've been here for the past 3 years, knowing what it feels like to have a conversation with people who don't create crap theories and come up with crap ideas for mods that Valve could do.

If, however, you had just arrived, then from your point of view, all of these "theories" and "ideas" should just appear to be a "normal way of life" for these forums, because they've been around for as long as you have.

Thus, if you want to complain, go somewhere else where you have a million posts and complain at them, because you know what life should be like over there. What you're expressing here is mere arrogance.

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function9 said:
Regardless of post count I thought it was a pretty good post and sums up some of my thoughts about things nicely. To some extent it is interesting to pick the game/story apart to try and learn something a bit more. In the end though, it's a video game and the way some go on and on about every little thing gets a bit old.
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If he doesn't like something that someone's saying, he can post it in that thread instead of creating an entire thread just to have a go at anyone. There have been plenty of decent theories and ideas knocking around, some good mature discussion about the Episodes, and yet he hasn't acknowledged this at all, instead deciding (as if he's been here forever) that every single discussion and speculation has to stop.
 
Druckles said:
that every single discussion and speculation has to stop.
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he only said to stop the speculation over those ideas, hes not telling everyone to stop discussing and coming up with new ideas!
 
Wow, you being a pompous arse will surely stop all the needless theo-
Holy crap!
G-man IS the CAT!
 
I'm glad I was not the only one who understood things, thank DerbyDriver. The title of "G-man" was given to "the G-Man" so that if someone talked about him it would be obvious who he was. Like the smoking man in the X-files (whom the G-man is slightly based off of)
 
It's pretty interesting to me that a few of you have actually taken offense to my post, as if I came into your board and started insulting you.

Why is it that people who are clearly not guilty of the accusation always wind up defending themselves anyways?

Did you read the first line of my original post?

"I'm sure many of you are just as tired as I am of hearing all these crazy g-man/Gordon theories, or people asking how the cat ties in to Half-Life, etc... so let's list these ridiculous myths, and point out precisely WHY they're myths."
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That pretty much makes it clear that I'm not generalizing... no, in fact I'm talking specifically about the 10 year olds who have no business even PLAYING a game like Half-Life, let alone logging onto a message board and spouting their inane ideas that more often than not make absolutely no sense at all, and overall do a great deal to encourage me to never procreate.

For instance...

"I think the 3rd modification to the Gravity Gun is that it should turn into an SMG!!!"

Yeah, that makes sense, because it's not like we already have an SMG or anything.

So the case has been brought up that I should wait until I'm a veteran member of the forum before I make a post such as this? Um... no, that's ok, I'll just post it now. Next time, it would be better for everyone if you wouldn't jump the gun on what you THINK I'm trying to say, and actually read the post and definitely, DEFINITELY take what I'm saying literally, because saying that I think other people as well as myself are getting annoyed does not ACTUALLY mean "I think you're all retards and I'm going to ninja-insult you because I'm that damned good".
 
FrostXian said:
Wow, you being a pompous arse will surely stop all the needless theo-
Holy crap!
G-man IS the CAT!
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Hey look, another stow away on the "jump on the new guy!" band wagon!!!!


Edit: It may be so that I was a little hard on the idiots with my first post... but forgive me for have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity. Clearly these kids aren't learning anything in school, like literature comprehension, deductive conclusions, and general logic. I'm just doing my part to point this out to people. Most of these idiotic "theories" are pretty similar to if someone were to say

"OMG i jus had dis l33t cunspearasy theery what if gman was reely gordons dad and all of this is just his way of making sure his sun is good enuf to take over his job when gman dies OMG AND THE CAT WAS GORDONS PET AND BEST FREND THATS WHY HE KILLED LAMAR IN THE ROCKET"

makes me want to literally smack myself in the face with my palm.
 
I apologize Druckles as I'm still having trouble understanding what post count or someone's join date on a forum has to do with one's knowledge on a subject.
If he doesn't like something that someone's saying, he can post it in that thread instead of creating an entire thread just to have a go at anyone.
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Why should someone have to go through every thread that contain these theories and disprove them? I see nothing wrong with creating a thread so that the views one presents can be seen.
There have been plenty of decent theories and ideas knocking around, some good mature discussion about the Episodes, and yet he hasn't acknowledged this at all, instead deciding (as if he's been here forever) that every single discussion and speculation has to stop.
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This is another thing I'm having trouble understanding. Why would he mention something he's not trying to make a point about in the first place? As mrbloke pointed out, I can't recall seeing anywhere where the original poster stated any and all speculation about plots/theories/etc should be stopped. He was only addressing the matters that he listed.

I'm not trying to speak for the original poster at all, as I'm not him and don't know his motivation. But I do find it strange that someone is jumped on for making a thread of some logical observations he has just because he's "new". But it's surely ok for people to start threads about some little obscure detail in HL1 and how it relates to HL2 or even something as asinine as what brand of suit the Gman wears.
 
function9 said:
I apologize Druckles as I'm still having trouble understanding what post count or someone's join date on a forum has to do with one's knowledge on a subject.
Why should someone have to go through every thread that contain these theories and disprove them? I see nothing wrong with creating a thread so that the views one presents can be seen.
This is another thing I'm having trouble understanding. Why would he mention something he's not trying to make a point about in the first place? As mrbloke pointed out, I can't recall seeing anywhere where the original poster stated any and all speculation about plots/theories/etc should be stopped. He was only addressing the matters that he listed.

I'm not trying to speak for the original poster at all, as I'm not him and don't know his motivation. But I do find it strange that someone is jumped on for making a thread of some logical observations he has just because he's "new". But it's surely ok for people to start threads about some little obscure detail in HL1 and how it relates to HL2 or even something as asinine as what brand of suit the Gman wears.
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Bingo, nail on the head. Ladies and gentlemen, take not, this is a person with enough common sense to understand what I was saying.
 
Well, the only myth I think that needs to die is that G-Man is Gordon.
 
Cheomesh said:
Well, the only myth I think that needs to die is that G-Man is Gordon.
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There are some very interesting theories out there, but there are also theories which have no reason to exist, mainly because there are either facts that discredit everything about the theory, or the theory is just so asinine that no good story writer would ever even consider it.

My personal theory on g-man is that he's really one of the good guys. Everything that happened as a result of the Resonance Cascade was inevitable... and the g-man putting Gordon in stasis for an untold number of years was truly for the benefit of mankind. He would bring Gordon back out of stasis at the point when the combine was most vulnerable (after Kleiners teleporter was completed, or whatever else needed to be done first) to save the world. Although the g-man looks, sound, and acts menacing... he's really acted in the best interest of humanity, and in the end he'll reveal that his plan all along was to stop the combine from taking over the universe, and unfortunately nothing could be done to save the earth during the portal storms caused by Black Mesa. That's just my theory, and as far as I know, there aren't any facts to contradict my theory.

That doesn't make my theory likely, it just means that it at least has a CHANCE to be true.
 
"G-Man" means "Government Man" and has for many, many decades.

The G-Man was obviously supposed to be a shady government operative in the first game.

G-man, and the end of HL1: I took the liberty of relieving you of your weapons... most of them were government property.
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Still, G-man is hiiiigher up in the ladder. With such skills, and a skilled man slashing every single Xenian (Except Vortigaunts), Combine and blows up the synths. G-man is not Gordon. G-man is not a cat. G-man manipulates people if needed for the work. I bet he also has awesome skills such as Advisor, since he sometimes said "I couldn't help you" or so. G-MAN IS NOT A NAME!1!1!11! It's just.. lets say a nickname, model name or such.
 
Hell, he might have, at some point, 'worked' for our Government.
 
Stene said:
I think G-Man is....

GABE-MAN
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Already said.

And if you have a problem with such threads, why bother even stating you dislike them, because no doubt someone will have a problem with your thread, taking offense from the fact that their theories, while possibly over-used and over-stated, are still theories which they wish to put forward. These people, inexperienced with the universe of Half-Life, or inexperience with life (as you might like to say) should have a forum where they can express there ideas.

I quite get what you're getting at, it's not too difficult to understand. I believe it is you that does not understand me when I state that post count does not have anything to do with superiority, merely slightly proportional to experience on a board.

What you should be complaining about is the fact that "noobs" do not read previous threads and previous arguments before posting their ideas, and don't consider what advantage their post would have to the community.

I have no problem with what you say, I merely have a problem with the way you say it.

Oh, and funnily enough, there have been many conversations about how many crap theories there are out there, and how there are just way too many "noobs" running around with "new" ideas.

And that quote you used is not entirely valid, as the individual who suggested it doesn't appear to be very sane as is.
 
So what precisely is the problem with compiling a list of all the ridiculous theories that need to be laid to rest, as was my original intent when I made this thread?

It would serve as a reference for the noobs, something you could link to when one of them posts another retarded theory.

"OMG Adrian Shepard is going to be in Borealis!"

...despite the fact that Shepard isn't a Valve character, and not only that, but the g-man didn't suspend him in stasis temporarily, he put him there without the intent of releasing him... "a place where no harm can come to you and you can do no harm to anyone" is what I think he said.

Furthermore, how would it be so that we'd have 2 or more unspoken main characters in the same game? This is why I don't think Chell will be in Episode 3, and part of the reason why I'm certain we'll never hear of Shepard again.
 
One issue:

Why does it matter if Shephard wasn't created by Valve?
 
DerbyDriver1985 said:
So what precisely is the problem with compiling a list of all the ridiculous theories that need to be laid to rest, as was my original intent when I made this thread?

It would serve as a reference for the noobs, something you could link to when one of them posts another retarded theory.

"OMG Adrian Shepard is going to be in Borealis!"

...despite the fact that Shepard isn't a Valve character, and not only that, but the g-man didn't suspend him in stasis temporarily, he put him there without the intent of releasing him... "a place where no harm can come to you and you can do no harm to anyone" is what I think he said.

Furthermore, how would it be so that we'd have 2 or more unspoken main characters in the same game? This is why I don't think Chell will be in Episode 3, and part of the reason why I'm certain we'll never hear of Shepard again.
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Shephard was in a Valve game.
That makes him their properity.
 
Chell isn't exactly part of the half-life universe though. Portal isn't really attached to the series, so there is no point in throwing her into Half life 3 etc. But Shepard has actually left foot prints, and while I doubt he will be featured in the next game, there is still the slightest posibility.

Please correct me if any of this is wrong
 
Emporius said:
Chell isn't exactly part of the half-life universe though. Portal isn't really attached to the series, so there is no point in throwing her into Half life 3 etc. But Shepard has actually left foot prints, and while I doubt he will be featured in the next game, there is still the slightest posibility.

Please correct me if any of this is wrong
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Portal IS set in the Half Life universe, the possibility of Chell appearing is there, however I believe a Valve employee said that, "we have no games currently including Shepard but we would like to come back to him." Or something along those lines, I could be wrong though. However Chell and Aperture Science, Portal and GLadOS are set around the same time as the current story arc. Episode two even mentions Aperture Science. They do exist within the series universe and are heavily connected, that is a definite. :)

:cheers:
 
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